Question about the AutoVE Tuning..

[waterbug1999]

I just followed the AutoVE tutorial, I have the SDAutoVE.tun tune loaded up in the car and ready to go, but was waiting for the g-friend to get home to hold my lap top to tell me what cells I needed to get (never done it but thats what it said). I saved everything but I had to exit out of the the maps to get the right PIDS selected..

So, I dont know which one to bring up now, do I bring up the Map "A" or "B" which is the priamary or backup to monitor the cells.. And they are blank now that I closed it and reopened it, they had numbers in side before, still ok?. Thanks.

[mr.prick]

Re-plot map data (SHFT+CTRL+R) to show the "missing data" in your log.
Apply data to the primary VE table then
copy the whole table and paste it to the back up VE table.

[waterbug1999]

I havent even started the car yet.. Just making sure ill be ok since I went out of sequence from the tutorial.

I can reopen in, it looks like this.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/Untitled-1.jpg

[joecar]

You mean to see which cells you still need to hit...?

The ones you already hit should be sufficient; the cells you didn't hit yet can be blended/smoothed (the VE table has a shape/trend to it)... if you haven't hit those cells after a few attempts then you'll most likely never hit them... is this what you mean...?

You could try setting the minimum cell count to 20 or 10 instead of 50.

The map you're interested in is the one showing the BEN.

[joecar]

Yep, that's the one, map of BEN1 for MAP vs RPM.

[joecar]

Operate the throttle in a smooth progressive manner so that the transient filter will keep more data...

If you just snap the throttle open or closed, the transient filter will remove all the data frames in between...

but, watch the road and your speed...

try using hills if you're doing this on the street;

don't forget to apply the transient filter.

[waterbug1999]

You mean to see which cells you still need to hit...?

The ones you already hit should be sufficient; the cells you didn't hit yet can be blended/smoothed (the VE table has a shape/trend to it)... if you haven't hit those cells after a few attempts then you'll most likely never hit them... is this what you mean...?

You could try setting the minimum cell count to 20 or 10 instead of 50.

The map you're interested in is the one showing the BEN.

Im guessing once I start logging, some numbers will start filling in the "squares"/"cells" from the graph above.

When I fist set it up there were numbers all ready in the cells.. I could not minimize/ nor switch screens to get my PIDS selected, so I had to close it. Now that I re-opened it and its blank, wanted to make sure its ok being blank.

[waterbug1999]

Hopefully this goes good.... I need to try and tune c old start, sometimes it dies and fluctuates RPM's till it warms up.

IT stalls at the track after a mean ole burnout, so it gets imberassing. I am off till next Monday so I will FINALLY have some time to goof around with the software.

[mr.prick]

You need to be recording not monitoring for data to fill the cells.

[waterbug1999]

You need to be recording not monitoring for data to fill the cells.

Thats what I was planning on doing.. But recording, you can watch the dashboard and the maps correct?

Oh, just started up the car from a cold start and it was having some serious issues and really rich. Im not doing the logging just yet, just had to check something under the car.

Will it run smoother when it warms up?

[mr.prick]

Yes but to see the data in the map you must be recording,
the PIDs that are related to the map must be selected and valid
and the hidden cell count will need to be set low enough for you to see
low count cells or you can "unhide' low cells then hide them later.
FYI
The picture you posted shows Flashscan is Not connected.

[waterbug1999]

Yes but to see the data in the map you must be recording,
the PIDs that are related to the map must be selected and valid
and the hidden cell count will need to be set low enough for you to see
low count cells or you can "unhide' low cells then hide them later.
FYI
The picture you posted shows Flashscan is Not connected.

yea, im in the house. I came back inside to plug the lap top in before the logging.

So, i should "unhide" the cells? This is all another language to me to and the 1st time is always the hardest, how would you unhide cells? I want to make sure its doing what its suppose to be doing, so i dont go logging and come back to find out I did something wrong.

[mr.prick]

CTRL+ALT+H (the box with the red X next to the filter properties icon)
or map properties> empty tab> hide empty cells box,
unchecking/checking this box will determine whether or not the cells are hidden
when the map is opened.
I leave the box unchecked so all cells are visible and when I want to hide low count cells
just hit the red X icon.

[waterbug1999]

that icon says to "hide cells with low cell counts".. So, I should not click it then. Um, Right?

I guess ill just take it out and see what heppends. Thanks.

[nevinsb]

Open the map properties, and see if anything is listed under Data > Parameter.

I just had this happen to me today, and nothing is listed under this field eventhough the PID is active and I can display it in the gauges, I can't load it into the MAP for the CALC.BEN1 PID. It is missing from this dropdown menu even if I uncheck the "selected" box.

I'm still trying to find out why.

[mr.prick]

Toggle it how you like. (hide/show)
If you look hard the icon will appear depressed like a button when cell are hidden
or use hot keys.

[waterbug1999]

gotcha...

How should the car be driven? Just a 5 mile trip down the hwy or around town?

[waterbug1999]

O.k... We have a problem.

While it was warming up and now its warmed up, the AF was 19-20 A/F. I try to give it gas a little while in neutral and it just dies. Whats going on?

[nevinsb]

This is after you reflashed it after running AutoVE?

Can you post a tune file from before, a tune file after, and the log file you used to make the tune with AutoVE?

[waterbug1999]

This is after you reflashed it after running AutoVE?

Can you post a tune file from before, a tune file after, and the log file you used to make the tune with AutoVE?

I have not done anything other then follow the tutorial and load up the tune in the car. I was letting it warm up (the A/F was 10-20 the whole time)to take it for a spin and log but as soon as I gave it a little gas in neutral, it just dies. I didnt try it in drive or anything, should that make a difference?

Here is the tutorial I as following. by the way, I all ready did the IFR.

http://download2.efilive.com/Tutorials/PDF/AutoVE%20Tuning%20Tutorial.pdf

[waterbug1999]

I am soo frustraded... I dont see how you can go get sone logged data if you cant even give the car gas.. WTF! UUGGGG!!

[joecar]

Post these files:
- the last tune file that the car ran before you flashed in this file;
- this file;


Check that in tunetool you have fueling units set to EQ or AFR and not Lambda (go Edit->Properties->Display).

[waterbug1999]

Post these files:
- the last tune file that the car ran before you flashed in this file;
- this file;


Check that in tunetool you have fueling units set to EQ or AFR and not Lambda (go Edit->Properties->Display).

Hey joe..

Im assuming you ask that for these grpahs right? I think I have the right #'s in. EDIT - I just checked and it was in LAMBDA.. So, Ill change it to AFR and redo it and try it again.
http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/b3618.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/b3605.jpg

Here is the tunes.

[waterbug1999]

Hey Joe, that was it. I changed it over to AFR and closed then reopened and all the setting were like 200.. So, I changed B3618 and B3605 and up loaded new tune. I just started the car and I could rev it up, so it should be ready to go to get some logging. Thanks a bunch... again!

[mr.prick]

It looks like {B3605} is displayed in Lambda but you have put EQ values in.
Under load you are commanding lean AFR.
Leave {B3605} stock and use AFR in the display settings.

[waterbug1999]

It looks like {B3605} is displayed in Lambda but you have put EQ values in.
Under load you are commanding lean AFR.
Leave {B3605} stock and use AFR in the display settings.

That was before I changed the settings to AFR as it was set in Lambda..

Here is what it looks like now, I am just following the tutorial.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/new.jpg

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/newa.jpg

[joecar]

When you change the units to AFR, you have to go and re-edit B3605, it looks like you have done this...

When you view a table, look at the units on each axis to sanity check yourself.

Your engine should run now.

[waterbug1999]

When you change the units to AFR, you have to go and re-edit B3605, it looks like you have done this...

When you view a table, look at the units on each axis to sanity check yourself.

Your engine should run now.

Im on step 6 on page 11, "update calibrations" it says to build filters.. I dont see "TPS Moves Too Fast or Low Coolant Temp" in the srop down menu by "name" like the pictures have.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/maps.jpg

[waterbug1999]

I also only have this many counts, should I go for a longer drive?

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/Untitledloggings.jpg

[waterbug1999]

And also on page 12 it says to average the numbers then copy and paste into B0101.. Thats cant be right, the numbers are way off.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/average.jpg

Then I pasted those #'s in here and you can see the difference in the #'s.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/averageb0101.jpg

[mr.prick]

Paste and multiply

[waterbug1999]

Paste and multiply

Oh snap, now I see that.. I think I partied too much last night.

[waterbug1999]

This is what it did... what to do with the messed up cells?

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/paste.jpg

[mr.prick]

Those BENs seem to be way high, did you filter at all?
I suggest using LTFT for non PE areas, and BEN for WOT.
OLSD is too inconsistent on the street. IMO

[waterbug1999]

Those BENs seem to be way high, did you filter at all?
I suggest using LTFT for non PE areas, and BEN for WOT.
OLSD is too inconsistent on the street. IMO

Yea, I copied what the tutorial had. I appplied it and it didnt chang much. The only thing I didnt do was #7 on page 12, it says to hide cells with a value less than 50, I dont see an icon thats would do that.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/filter.jpg

I am copying exactly what the tutorial says, I dont know what to do anymore, its starting to get really confusing, I dont know what you are saying for me to do.

[mr.prick]

What WBO2 are you using and is it configured/working properly?

[waterbug1999]

What WBO2 are you using and is it configured/working properly?

Its an LC-1, it should be working properly, nothing that I have seen to says its not.

Here is the logged run of 5 miles or so to get the data i have so far.

[mr.prick]

Is DFCO on?
You are very lean in a lot of areas.

[waterbug1999]

Is DFCO on?
You are very lean in a lot of areas.

On step 5 on page 5 it says to change it to 122, so thats what I did.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/yep.jpg

[waterbug1999]

Im getting ready to just sale everything..

[joecar]

I think you increased your initial VE table by too much...

What are your mods...?

[waterbug1999]

I think you increased your initial VE table by too much...

What are your mods...?

I went up 15% like it said to..


stock bottom end, dart 205's milled to 59cc, .040" gasket, 234/242 X3 cam, 90/90 and all the supporting mods.

[joecar]

I would maybe try 9% initial increase and see how that goes.

[waterbug1999]

O.k... Thanks.

[waterbug1999]

Hey Joe... The problem I had was putting in the data I had logged in the VE table, like on post #33. How come some of the numbers were way high? And on my logged run, why is my AF at ~60 on my wideband, is it suppose to be like that while doing this?

[joecar]

That sounds like your LC-1 needs to have heater calibration and free air calibration done... or the sensor has gone bad.

Post some more log files.

In the tunetool, goto Edit->Properties->Display and make sure:
- fueling units are set to AFR,
- ve table units are set to g*K/kPa.

[waterbug1999]

That sounds like your LC-1 needs to have heater calibration and free air calibration done... or the sensor has gone bad.

Post some more log files.

In the tunetool, goto Edit->Properties->Display and make sure:
- fueling units are set to AFR,
- ve table units are set to g*K/kPa.

Yea.. They are both good to go.

If my 02 is going bad, wouldnt it be messing up everywhere and just not on decel? When + TB%, its all good and is pretty close to the commanded fuel.

It started acting like this when I chnaged my IFR, even at idle during warm up its at 20.1 AF.

[mr.prick]

If you are adding fuel and your WBO2 is still reading lean you probably need a new sensor.
A failing sensor will read fine at idle and low load cruising,
under load and WOT areas will read unreasonably lean.
Cold star is lean most likely because the MAF is off and therefore the PCM will not use the
restart enrichment tables which are dependent on MAF.
You need to get your injectors right.

[waterbug1999]

If you are adding fuel and your WBO2 is still reading lean you probably need a new sensor.
A failing sensor will read fine at idle and low load cruising,
under load and WOT areas will read unreasonably lean.
Cold star is lean most likely because the MAF is off and therefore the PCM will not use the
restart enrichment tables which are dependent on MAF.
You need to get your injectors right.

MY injectors are good now..


Here is the way it was.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/IFRbefore.jpg


And here is the way it is now, by using the the calculations that are posted.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/IFRafter.jpg

[mr.prick]

What about the voltage offsets and small pulse adjustments?

[waterbug1999]

What about the voltage offsets and small pulse adjustments?

The are the same between the previous and current tune..

[waterbug1999]

I was looking at the tunes on holdencrazy and I found an 01 and an 02 Z06 and the MAF calibrations are pretty close to one another... Can I use that MAF table since those two cars have a Z06 MAF and I do to?

[mr.prick]

MAF table needs to match the VE table.
Once you get the VE table dialed in tune the MAF,
of course you want to be sure your injectors and WBO2 in working order first.

[waterbug1999]

MAF table needs to match the VE table.
Once you get the VE table dialed in tune the MAF,
of course you want to be sure your injectors and WBO2 in working order first.

Those are working properly... I guess ill start from scratch again and try to do the autoVE tuning from that tutorial again this weekend.

Ill load up my tune I had before the IFR change and see if my WB02 goes back to how it was before.. Im thinking its because I changed the IFR's is why its acting funny/showing lean.

[waterbug1999]

DRKPHX was kind enough to put a Z06 MAF next to my MAF (which is a Z06 MAF) on an excel sheet and you can see how much of a difference it is, more down low then up top.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt85/waterbug199/mafs.jpg