Autocal?

[macca_779]

So now that the V2 Blackbox functionality is more or less proven. How long do we expect to wait for it to be released to the general public?

I just found out today that HPT is currently developing their own standalone device too. Probably in EFI LIVE's best interest to get Autocal out there to get the jump on them.

Edit: Pic removed, too ugly for the EFILive forum.

[Cougar281]

Eh. I have a feeling HPT's device won't hold a candle to the V2 & Autocal.

That looks an awful lot like SCT's long since retired XCal2. :music_whistling_1:

[macca_779]

Eh. I have a feeling HPT's device won't hold a candle to the V2 & Autocal.

That looks an awful lot like SCT's long since retired XCal2. :music_whistling_1:

It won't be anywhere near as capable as a V2 which is a given. But Autocal I think it will be pretty close. That's if it scan's that is.

[mr.prick]

I've been wondering what the hold up is on the AutoCal myself. :confused:

I was surprised to see the pptuner guys are working on something similar. :lookaround:
Too bad you will need to use their software with it. :Throwup:

[ScarabEpic22]

I know the EFILive team is working on finishing full flash support for supported controllers plus getting the last few cal BBF controllers set, Cummins support, and V8 Scan & Tune software full time now from their posts on here.

Yes its only 3 things, but those 3 thing have a LOT of new stuff in them.

[Frost]

I'm pretty sure I saw pics of that HPTuner's piece at least two years ago now...

[Blacky]

I've been wondering what the hold up is on the AutoCal myself. :confused:

The hold up is business based, not technical. Sometimes the business side of things is harder to manage than the technical side of things...

Regardless 99% of the issues are managed/resolved.

Regards
Paul

[ScarabEpic22]

I'm pretty sure I saw pics of that HPTuner's piece at least two years ago now...

I think I remember seeing a quick pic of it in some SEMA pics a few years back, I browse their forums looking at P10 stuff from time to time. Havent heard anything more about it.


The hold up is business based, not technical. Sometimes the business side of things is harder to manage than the technical side of things...

Regardless 99% of the issues are managed/resolved.

Regards
Paul

99% eh? So I take it full flashing wont be supported in an AutoCal then?

I can test P10 BBF now, hook me up Paul!:cheers:

[macca_779]

I'm pretty sure I saw pics of that HPTuner's piece at least two years ago now...

Bill posted it up the other day and for me it was the first i'd heard of it. By the sound of it now though it might not be a threat to Autocal for some time.

[Frost]

I will most likely get both, just hoping to see one or the other soon!

[8100 Power]

So when is Autocal for sale to the public? Pricing and Info?

[Blacky]

So when is Autocal for sale to the public? Pricing and Info?
Right now.
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=111

The prices displayed are for boxes of 5 AutoCal units as that is the only way EFILive sells AutoCals.

Regards
Paul

[8100 Power]

Thank you Paul!

[GAMEOVER]

Right now.
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=111

The prices displayed are for boxes of 5 AutoCal units as that is the only way EFILive sells AutoCals.

Regards
Paul

Damn, that sucks! Only packs of 5...So Autocal is aimed more for workshops...Will workshops be able to sell individually?

[Blacky]

Damn, that sucks! Only packs of 5...So Autocal is aimed more for workshops...Will workshops be able to sell individually?
Yes.
Regards
Paul

[8100 Power]

Yes.
Regards
Paul

But the AutoCals will be licensed to THEIR V2. Correct?

[Blacky]

But the AutoCals will be licensed to THEIR V2. Correct?
They don't have to be. The AutoCal's can be licensed to any FlashScan device.
If a tuner is selling an AutoCal to a customer who does not have a FlashScan, then the tuner would license the AutoCal to his own FlashScan and manage the customer's tunes himself.
If a tuner is selling an AutoCal to a customer who does have a FlashScan, then the tuner could choose to allow the customer to license the AutoCal to the customer's own FlashScan. In that case the customer would be sort of "on his own" since only the customer himself could create tunes for the AutoCal now that it is licensed to his own FlashScan.

Regards
Paul

[dc_justin]

Javier,

I plan/expect to have enough extra AutoCals on hand at most times to be able to sell them in smaller bundles to past customers/associates of mine. Shoot me an email if you'd like some info.

Justin

[GAMEOVER]

Cool Justin, I'll shoot you an e-mail....

[L31Sleeper]

So the autocal can hold 8 licenses but only 3 tunes ?? How are the licenses applied to the autocal ?
Can the autocal do a COS or DSP ??

[L31Sleeper]

I don't have a problem buying 5 at a time I was just expecting the price to be a little lower.
What is the MSRP on these ?? The The DiabloSport Predator retails for $375
That only leaves $75 for tuners to make with the autocal ?

[dc_justin]

The DS Predator cannot and will not ever be able to tune the T43, only the Trinity and their Predator replacement, the inTune will be able to and the pricing will certainly be higher on it.

[Blacky]

So the autocal can hold 8 licenses but only 3 tunes ?? How are the licenses applied to the autocal ?
Can the autocal do a COS or DSP ??

AutoCal has 6MB of storage which can hold between 2 and 8 tunes depending on the size of the *.ctd file. (We are working on making the *.ctd files smaller).
You can copy tunes to/from AutoCal to your PC/laptop so really there is no limit to the number of tunes you can use with AutoCal. The only limit is the number that you can have on there at any one time.

Originally AutoCal was only going to have one VIN license but after extensive consultations with our resellers it was clear that allowing multiple vehicles per AutoCal device to be flashed was prudent. It covers that most obvious case where a tuner sells an AutoCal to a customer and that customer has multiple vehicles that he want the tuner to manage. In that situation the customer only needs one AutoCal.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

I don't have a problem buying 5 at a time I was just expecting the price to be a little lower.
What is the MSRP on these ?? The The DiabloSport Predator retails for $375
That only leaves $75 for tuners to make with the autocal ?

We (EFILive) don't consider the AutoCal to be a product that will normally be on-sold by tuners to their customer "as is" for any sizable retail margin.
The value-add (i.e. the tuner's margin) is realized when the tuner adds a tune to the AutoCal device. That's what AutoCal has been designed for, a tune delivery platform.

Regards
Paul

[L31Sleeper]

They don't have to be. The AutoCal's can be licensed to any FlashScan device.
If a tuner is selling an AutoCal to a customer who does not have a FlashScan, then the tuner would license the AutoCal to his own FlashScan and manage the customer's tunes himself.
If a tuner is selling an AutoCal to a customer who does have a FlashScan, then the tuner could choose to allow the customer to license the AutoCal to the customer's own FlashScan. In that case the customer would be sort of "on his own" since only the customer himself could create tunes for the AutoCal now that it is licensed to his own FlashScan.

Regards
Paul

So why would the web site be looking for a FlashScan SN on check out ??

[L31Sleeper]

We (EFILive) don't consider the AutoCal to be a product that will normally be on-sold by tuners to their customer "as is" for any sizable retail margin.
The value-add (i.e. the tuner's margin) is realized when the tuner adds a tune to the AutoCal device. That's what AutoCal has been designed for, a tune delivery platform.

Regards
Paul

I guess if you count the license that it comes with, that offsets the cost by 100 bux.
How are licenses added to the autocal ??

[ScarabEpic22]

I guess if you count the license that it comes with, that offsets the cost by 100 bux.
How are licenses added to the autocal ??

Just like a V2, buy a license from EFILive, they email you the confirmation code, you put it in just like adding a license to a V2, and done.

[L31Sleeper]

Does the AutoCal come with it's own serial # ??

[Tordne]

Does the AutoCal come with it's own serial # ??

Yeh it sure does (has to actually for licensing). When you "link" an AutoCal to a FlashScan V2 the serial number of the V2 is burnt into the AutoCal license field.

[L31Sleeper]

Yeh it sure does (has to actually for licensing). When you "link" an AutoCal to a FlashScan V2 the serial number of the V2 is burnt into the AutoCal license field.

So if the SN is the same how do you know which device the license is actually going on to ??

[Tordne]

The serial number of each AutoCal is unique for licensing purposes. The license number (a different field) is what is taken from the V2.

[Blacky]

So why would the web site be looking for a FlashScan SN on check out ??
Its just one more "double check" for the person buying the AutoCals to understand that at least one FlashScan device is required before the AutoCals can be used.
Regards
Paul

[macca_779]

You beauty. This is great news guys. I've already been posting up a storm on all my usual LSx forums about this release. Hopefully it gets you guys some well deserved extra sales.

[L31Sleeper]

Its just one more "double check" for the person buying the AutoCals to understand that at least one FlashScan device is required before the AutoCals can be used.
Regards
Paul

OOOOOoooooooo....... I see

[joecar]

So if you sell say a heads/cam package to a customer, you would include an AC with a suitable tune for his H/C install... is this how it works...?

If you sell a mail order tune to a non-EFILive user, then you would include an AC... is this how this scenario works...?

In both cases, shouldn't the customer keep the AC in his possession just in case he needs a tweak...?

What happens if an AC is shared among 8 customers and whichever one currently has it is can't give it back (e.g. lost/broke it)...?
Seem to be easier to control if each customer was sold their own AC.

[Blacky]

So if you sell say a heads/cam package to a customer, you would include an AC with a suitable tune for his H/C install... is this how it works...?
Yes


If you sell a mail order tune to a non-EFILive user, then you would include an AC... is this how this scenario works...?
Yes


In both cases, shouldn't the customer keep the AC in his possession just in case he needs a tweak...?
Yes


What happens if an AC is shared among 8 customers and whichever one currently has it is can't give it back (e.g. lost/broke it)...?
Seem to be easier to control if each customer was sold their own AC.
Correct, it would be a logistics issue if you try and share an AutoCal between different customers in different locations. The reason we added the capability to have up to 8 VIN licenses per AutoCal is for customers with multiple vehicles. That way a tuner can support a customer who has up to 8 vehicles without having to send that customer 8 AutoCals.

Regards
Paul