Going , going , gone

[Chevy366]

Google is reading for war , going to get interesting : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1651624/google-kicks-microsoft-windows .:hihi:

[mr.prick]

Publicity stunt. :rolleyes:

[ScarabEpic22]

Its the Inquirer...nuff said.

I heard about this a while ago, before it was supposed to be Linux based to pave way for Chrome OS. Didnt hear anything about OS X until that article. Eh I like Linux a lot, wish game manufactures would port over then Id probably use it even more.

[Chevy366]

Oh no , more backing for Linux : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652412/heavy-weights-sign-linux-soc-body
This not the National Inquirer (Tabloid News) .
Getting worse , here comes Chrome : http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1652210/google-s-chrome-2010-release

[stigmundfreud]

working in security I can honestly say anyone that thinks MS is a bad thing needs to look again. I love hearing stories on how secure linux or mac is vs the Windows platform but beyond that what I find ammusing the most is Google or rather that website claiming google cannot afford the security holes left by windows. When Chrome was very first released it was myself that discovered a serious flaw within the way it handled https sites, we're a large player in the UK banking industry and have channels to google but they are impossible to communicate with. Even today I am very scepticle about their browser so it stays where it belongs, on their site as an available download to ignore. They did make changes to fix the problem but that then highlighed an other area of concern for us, the way in which the browser blindly updated. That may not happen now but tbh IE8 for the win

[Chevy366]

working in security I can honestly say anyone that thinks MS is a bad thing needs to look again. I love hearing stories on how secure linux or mac is vs the Windows platform but beyond that what I find ammusing the most is Google or rather that website claiming google cannot afford the security holes left by windows. When Chrome was very first released it was myself that discovered a serious flaw within the way it handled https sites, we're a large player in the UK banking industry and have channels to google but they are impossible to communicate with. Even today I am very scepticle about their browser so it stays where it belongs, on their site as an available download to ignore. They did make changes to fix the problem but that then highlighed an other area of concern for us, the way in which the browser blindly updated. That may not happen now but tbh IE8 for the win
Hmmmm , Chrome is the new OS from Google , it does share the same name as the browser , but it is a complete OS .
SO , I tend to dismiss Winders users that do not know what they are talking about , SORRY , EPIC FAIL there bro .
Please stay with Winders , do not use Linux !

[stigmundfreud]

I know it is a complete OS and I know the difference between the two, I was just highlighting the concerns with the browser and that I would be scepticle of trusting anything that google does. No need for the epic fail comment or saying I dont know what I am talking about when frankly I do.

[Chevy366]

I know it is a complete OS and I know the difference between the two, I was just highlighting the concerns with the browser and that I would be scepticle of trusting anything that google does. No need for the epic fail comment or saying I dont know what I am talking about when frankly I do.
Then please accept my apologies .
It seems as from your comment you where referring to Chrome the browser , not the OS .
I do agree Chrome , the browser , is not that great , as for Google slurping up info , Microcrap and IEx does it as well and has for years , as well as Yahoo and Netscape (even your ISP keeps track of you) , just Google doesn't/can't keep it a secret .

[ScarabEpic22]

Im posting this from Chrome (browser) now, Ive been using it more and more lately, but after hearing this security issue (even though its fixed) and coupled with a few small glitches Ive had, I might be headed back to FireFox or maybe Safari (uses same backend as Chrome, hope it doesnt have the same security flaws).

[stigmundfreud]

Chrome is based on Safari, its a rebundled version. Firefox = just as exposed as any of the browsers and since its take up has spread it is more targeted now than ever. The best thing is to accept faults whatever you use and take adequate precautions to either not go to dodgy sites/use p2p etc or have dual boot one for serious work the other for the less legitimate stuff, or just accept potential incidents and rebuild every now and then

Chevvy dont worry about it, I'd normally have retorted more but as I tend to keep this as the only forum I dont cock around on I try to keep things serious. I'm no linux/unix fan and am fairly routed in the Wintel camp. My background is specifically within security and has been now for 15 years but it gets to the point of saturation so you stick to the devil you know, and MS is by far the widest used and attacked platform but has come on leaps and bounds with regards to security. Likewise the once thought robust model of *nix has, since take up, been more widely exploited and in my field the issue is mostly around the lack of a single source for libraries etc dependant on which model you follow. Its for this reason that many industries, certainly here, base the platform on Windows (this includes govt, mod etc) for the simple fact of better understanding of the security models and threats.

I'm constantly having toy arguments with my friends partner who replaced windows with linux, we have the regular arguments that end up with beer and mutual disagreement ;) Found it rather funny at her house the other night when this secure, robust linux system required 30 minutes of fault finding to fix a bug in an updated library that resulted in no booting. Couldnt have happened at a better time than me sat there!

Back to Chrome, I just dont trust google but I rely heavily on their search engine as you no longer search, you google for things. Its just force of habbit and it is the best engine out there. I'm not so keen on their distribution model or ethos to information sharing nor am I a fan of cloud computing but then I am old school, the new team members coming through have come in at an age where its antiquated to think of segretation, dedicated paths and the like. Now its just encrypt and shove it out there, I predict a full circle from cloud computing within 10 years. Like we now are moving back to terminals 20 years after the work place PC network revolution. Same as one day outsourcing to India for cheap but very poor coding will return in house, its already started.

With PC's and Outsourcing I could see the tangible arguments for them both but with cloud computing and an ever increasing requirement for data security the two dont tend to compute yet the shift in industry is much away from the time tested security models to adopt the emporers new clothes.

I predict the google OS to not have a great take up outside a specialist market and certainly doubt any real industry outside of media will look at adoption.

[joecar]

...
Like we now are moving back to terminals 20 years after the work place PC network revolution.
...Yes, back to centralized computing with remote terminals, lol, full circle...:doh2:...will punched cards make a come back...? :hihi:

Do you remember the promise of the "paperless office"... you can now easily print huge tomes faster than ever... :rotflmao:

[ScarabEpic22]

stigmundfreud, I agree with you that Microsoft has really ramped up their security in the last 4 years, the Blaster worms and other viruses that delayed Longhorn aka Vista and resulted in XP SP3 being released forced them to publicly become tougher on security. Not saying its great, everything has flaws, but its better now in W7 than say Win 98se which was a heavily used OS.

Cloud computing is coming hard, we are indeed moving back towards having powerhouse servers and dumb terminals to connect. Heck, you can pay for online gaming where a company hosts the game on their computers and you just pay n play. Personally I like a reasonably powered desktop to play with, yes servers are nice but Im sure what my overall opinion of moving to full cloud computing. For things like database access via Oracle, it is great because you dont have to configure the client software on every workstation, just set it up on the server and have the workstations go to a website.

Lol, paperless office. Must have been before my time but I get a kick out of it nonetheless!

[Chevy366]

Chrome is based on Safari, its a rebundled version. Firefox = just as exposed as any of the browsers and since its take up has spread it is more targeted now than ever. The best thing is to accept faults whatever you use and take adequate precautions to either not go to dodgy sites/use p2p etc or have dual boot one for serious work the other for the less legitimate stuff, or just accept potential incidents and rebuild every now and then

Chevvy dont worry about it, I'd normally have retorted more but as I tend to keep this as the only forum I dont cock around on I try to keep things serious. I'm no linux/unix fan and am fairly routed in the Wintel camp. My background is specifically within security and has been now for 15 years but it gets to the point of saturation so you stick to the devil you know, and MS is by far the widest used and attacked platform but has come on leaps and bounds with regards to security. Likewise the once thought robust model of *nix has, since take up, been more widely exploited and in my field the issue is mostly around the lack of a single source for libraries etc dependant on which model you follow. Its for this reason that many industries, certainly here, base the platform on Windows (this includes govt, mod etc) for the simple fact of better understanding of the security models and threats. Payoffs By Micro$oft you mean .

I'm constantly having toy arguments with my friends partner who replaced windows with linux, we have the regular arguments that end up with beer and mutual disagreement ;) Found it rather funny at her house the other night when this secure, robust linux system required 30 minutes of fault finding to fix a bug in an updated library that resulted in no booting. Couldnt have happened at a better time than me sat there!

Back to Chrome, I just dont trust google but I rely heavily on their search engine as you no longer search, you google for things. Its just force of habbit and it is the best engine out there. I'm not so keen on their distribution model or ethos to information sharing nor am I a fan of cloud computing but then I am old school, the new team members coming through have come in at an age where its antiquated to think of segretation, dedicated paths and the like. Now its just encrypt and shove it out there, I predict a full circle from cloud computing within 10 years. Like we now are moving back to terminals 20 years after the work place PC network revolution. Same as one day outsourcing to India for cheap but very poor coding will return in house, its already started.
I predict the google OS to not have a great take up outside a specialist market and certainly doubt any real industry outside of media will look at adoption.
stigmundfreud , I to have sat at a station and watched a Winders user try and try to get it to boot from a minor update that came from Microcrap itself , so . In the server market , Linux and Unix are it , hands down . http://www.iaps.com/2008-server-reliability-survey.html
I don't see cloud computing gong to far in the real world , but corporate , different story .
I think you will see more and more people migrating to something other than Winders here soon , people are tired of the pay as you go plan Micro$oft has for everyone .
Coming from a long time Linux user , once you compile your own Kernel and build a OS from bits and pieces you see why Micro$oft is the devil , as we say "support the free" .
I personally hope Linux stays the underdog , I can use it knowing that another OS is the target of hackers , not Linux .
I think the OS thing is like religion , you have yours and I have mine , in the end it matters not .