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scottcmb
November 8th, 2011, 04:23 PM
Well i just wired up and installed my NEW Innovate wideband MTX-L, calabrated it, it did everything it said it would. Then i started the car, everthing going great at this time, then after 3 minutes of running the engine to warm it up i got an error code E8, switched the car off, restarted the cycle again then its stuck on heating, after a couple more times of restarting it then comes up with error code E5. Checked all connections, good power supply, good earthing.
I then went onto Innovates website forum and find that im not the only one with similar issues with this model but noticed other models have similar probs. I read through alot of posts but found that people are posting the issues but nothing really resolved.
I went down to a local guy who uses innovate for dyno tuning and test the O2 sensor on his system and it was fine with no probs (heating and AFR readings etc).
Has anyone out there had similar or the same issues and found the solution?
As i have not long bought my new EFILIVE im still stuck in the position of still not being able to use it yet to start logging and tuning. starting to feel i put my hard earned saved up money into a dud WBO2 product.
Hope some of you very knowledgable guys out there can help with this unit.
And please ONLY sensible responses to this thread and NO product bashing posts please.

Regards Scotty

minytrker
November 8th, 2011, 04:27 PM
I have several innovate wb's and rarely have problems. Every now and then I will go through a sensor but that will happen with any brand. I have found that usually its water or moisture coming out the exhaust that kills the sensor more than anything.

scottcmb
November 8th, 2011, 05:05 PM
Even though my sensor is mounted on the virtical part of the header and the same spot as the narrow band sensor. basically both sensors are mounted in the same spot at 90 degrees to each other and that is on the collector just at the flang to the cat. cant see how moisture can accumulate on a downward directioned collector.
cheers Scotty

mr.prick
November 8th, 2011, 09:42 PM
IIRC Error8 = bad sensor.

scottcmb
November 9th, 2011, 06:21 AM
IIRC Error8 = bad sensor.
Yep i read that in the list of error codes thats when i went down town to have the sensor checked and it was perfectly fine and tested at least five times for heating and measuring O2, others in the Innovative forum had the same thing with a brand new kit replaced brand new sensors and then only to find that they still got Error 8 with the replacement sensor. Mine also came up with error5, thats when i tripple checked all wiring and connectors. Plus the unit would get stuck on heating.
The supplier is sending me a replacement cable to see if that soughts it out because error 5 is connection between sensor and the unit......not reading or getting a signal. I noticed that when its stuck on heating, the sensor is only warm. It came back to life only once after it started to stop working and when it did this it was heating properly but only to last 3 minutes and then error 8 again.
I hope someone out there has had similar probs and found the solution and passes the results on!
Cheers for the replies so far
Scotty

ScarabEpic22
November 9th, 2011, 07:08 AM
What firmware do you have on your MTX-L? Think it has the same sensor as my LC1, I know for the LC1 I had to update the firmware otherwise I got weird/erratic readings and its been fine since.

joecar
November 9th, 2011, 08:47 AM
Try doing a heater calibration:
- disconnect sensor from controller;
- apply power to controller for a few moments;
- remove power;
- connect sensor to controller;
- apply power;
- wait until heater calibration finishes;

(do not connect or disconnect sensor while power is applied).

Evolution
November 9th, 2011, 10:26 AM
I've had alot of trouble with the Innovative MTX-L AFR gauge kits. Random errors, failing sensors, not entering the calibration sequence and not powering up correctly (or at all).

As a result, we don't fit them anymore. Never tried to tune with one with EFI Live though.
Innovative LC-1 seems to have less issues, possibly a different/better controller.

scottcmb
November 9th, 2011, 02:17 PM
What firmware do you have on your MTX-L? Think it has the same sensor as my LC1, I know for the LC1 I had to update the firmware otherwise I got weird/erratic readings and its been fine since.
No Firmware update as yet for the MTX-L. nothing listed for it on the website in the firmware update section.
Cheers Scotty

scottcmb
November 9th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Try doing a heater calibration:
- disconnect sensor from controller;
- apply power to controller for a few moments;
- remove power;
- connect sensor to controller;
- apply power;
- wait until heater calibration finishes;

(do not connect or disconnect sensor while power is applied).
Thanks Joe, yep had tried the re-calibration but when it goes to calibrate after heating it just stayed stuck on heating or when tried another time it gave error 5 but the thing was it never really heated just got mildly warm. The supplyer here is sending another cable just incase the problem is in that. Failing that looks like the unit is faulty and will have to be sent back under warranty which means MORE BLOODY waiting to be able to use my EFILIVE for the first time for proper logging. If i was to be one of the seven dwarfs i curtainly would not BE HAPPY!!!....lol
Scotty
Cheers Scotty

Tre-Cool
November 9th, 2011, 08:29 PM
fantastic to hear all these problems after just getting 2 of the bloody things.

scottcmb
November 10th, 2011, 07:20 PM
Well i have now got a small update on my problem. The supplier sent me a new replacement cable to give a try and so far so good it has done the trick!!!.....drove 20kms with no probs at all so far. If it is the definate problem then im guessing that i think the problem was in the crimping of the little conectors in the plug ends and not making proper contact with the wire strands, a manufacturing fault. I double checked each end and they look perfect!!!.
I will keep updating the progress of this unit on this thread.
And a special thanks goes Paul at NZ Performance here in New Zealand for the help and service he gave me with supplying and standing behind with support for this product.

Cheers Scotty

Tre-Cool
November 11th, 2011, 02:25 AM
well i knew it was going to happen sooner or later because the innovate products are just shit!

apart from reading .8afr richer than my tech edge i was driving along tonight and an E8 error came up, turned it off then on and got E3.

joecar
November 11th, 2011, 03:31 AM
Yeah, I have seen their quality go downhill.

Chevy366
November 11th, 2011, 06:44 AM
Most common problem is ground , GROUND TO ENGINE .

Tre-Cool
November 11th, 2011, 07:48 PM
well im earthing and powering both sensors from the same point. i put them both in the same header and there now .4afr different.

it seems my blower got hungry and chewed up some of the cable.