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Dust
November 19th, 2011, 12:02 PM
I know that this isn't an electronics board, but I know that tuning and circuits aren't mutually exclusive.
Looking to convert a 0-5v signal into PWM, and although I don't know how I will get there, I do know that one of the parameters will be the frequency of the pulse. Not looking for direct injection, just normal injector frequency. Need it to signal a controller.
joecar
November 21st, 2011, 02:59 AM
For gasoline engine:
sequentially fired injectors: each injector is fired once every 2 crank revolutions, so frequency [Hz] = rpm/60/2 = rpm/120
batch fired injectors: each injector is fired twice every 2 crank revolution, so frequency [Hz] = rpm/60
in each case the injector pulse width is proportional to cylinder fill airmass and commanded EQR.
Dust
November 23rd, 2011, 10:14 AM
Two more please
What duration ?
What ratio of high to low ?
joecar
November 23rd, 2011, 01:12 PM
The duration is the injector pulse width IPW, this varies with engine load and commanded fuel.
[ IPW is the time the PCM connects an injector to ground to turn it on ]
The duty cycle is the ratio of IPW to one cycle period; DC varies with IPW and RPM (typically from 3% to 85%); DC is expressed as percentage;
one cycle period (in seconds) is as follows:
sequentially fired: T [s] = time for 2 crank revolutions = 120/rpm (e.g. at 6000 rpm, T = 0.020 seconds, this is the upper limit on IPW)
batch fired: T [s] = time for 1 crank revolution = 60/rpm
high:low ratio is not normally used, but is the ratio of DC% to (100% - DC%).
Dust
November 23rd, 2011, 01:22 PM
I am trying to mimic a fuel injector, so I was just trying to figure out what info I would need to get it done. THe duration gets longer as load increases, but what would we be talking about here?
joecar
November 23rd, 2011, 01:49 PM
The sequentially fired 4 stroke cycle period = T = 120/RPM;
the duration (IPW) can range from zero up to T;
so the IPW gets longer as load increases, but it is limited by T;
if the injectors are too small, the PCM may calculate an IPW longer than T, but physically when IPW is equal to T the injector is now being held statically open (DC is 100%);
T gets smaller as rpm increases:
- 600 rpm: T = 120/600 = 0.200 [s] = 200 [ms]
- 1200 rpm: T = 120/1200 = 0.100 [s] = 100 [ms]
- 3000 rpm: T = 120/3000 = 0.040 [s] = 40 [ms]
- 6000 rpm: T = 120/6000 = 0.020 [s] = 20 [ms]
joecar
November 23rd, 2011, 01:53 PM
At low speed, low load, IPW may be 4ms; IPW will increase as load increases, typically to around 10ms, and at 6000 rpm IPW may reach 15ms (representing DC 75%).
If you take some logs of IBPW, TPS, RPM you will see the behaviour.
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