03-05 Cummins 5.9L Support

[cindy@efilive]

Earlier today I posted on Comp D that EFILive plans on developing support for the 2003-5 Cummins 5.9L ECM next, however we need to do some more pre-work to confirm that this is the path we will take.

Further updates will be made as we progress through our pre-work.

Thanks for your support and for pushing us to go this path first.

Cheers
Cindy

[AFTERMATH DIESEL]

This is good news

[DODGE74]

This is excellent NEWS!!!

I have plenty of friends in that crowd, after riding in my truck are chomping at the bit for EFILive.

[comnrailpwr]

Thank you much for taking on the SCI venture.

[spooled05]

^^^^X-2 !!!! i cant wait for a clean daily driver!

[schwoch1]

I hate to ask this but......... any plans for the redheaded bastard stepchild '98.5-02 Cummins 5.9 PCM ever having support? My '99 has been begging for a decent tune for 13 years now....
Sorry to hijack!!!

Mike

[cindy@efilive]

I hate to ask this but......... any plans for the redheaded bastard stepchild '98.5-02 Cummins 5.9 PCM ever having support? My '99 has been begging for a decent tune for 13 years now....
Sorry to hijack!!!

Mike
Sorry Mike, we have no plans to go any further back than 2003. Cummins changed communications protocol between 2002 and 2003 to SCI, then again in 2006 for CAN. We have no plans learning another communications protocol on top of all that.

Cheers
Cindy

[schwoch1]

Sorry Mike, we have no plans to go any further back than 2003. Cummins changed communications protocol between 2002 and 2003 to SCI, then again in 2006 for CAN. We have no plans learning another communications protocol on top of all that.

Cheers
Cindy

Ah shoot..... course then again, I remember them saying that the '03-'05 Cummins PCM were never going to be supported either.......
Thanks for the quick reply!!

Mike

[skneeland]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!, this is terrible news.......two unused VIN licenses on my EFI live and im going to have to buy an H&S programmer :(

[WyoFreeride]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!, this is terrible news.......two unused VIN licenses on my EFI live and im going to have to buy an H&S programmer :(

I feel the same. I have 4 VINs on mine, most of them planned for 2010 Dodges. Just hope the SCI stuff is simple for the brains behind the operation and they don't hit any major roadblocks. Bought the V2 setup last October and went to two of Zachs classes assuming (I know I shouldn't have) that it would be sooner than later. I don't want to experiment on anyone elses truck until I am comfortable with mine, but might have to start now on everyone elses before its winter again. Ready to sell the H&S as soon as possible.

[tokymon]

ya i feel the same just had customer phone want deletes on 10 trucks 2010 - 2012
but now going h&s i guess

[comnrailpwr]

All you haters take your whining to your own thread. Let us enjoy what we deserve. I have tuned several trucks and I think this is the best decision which isn't debatable anymore.. We dont have warranties, we are involved in extreme competition and there are 10's of thousands more of us with not near the quality ride and drivability you 10-12 guys have. Just be patient and enjoy your luxury!

[WyoFreeride]

All you haters take your whining to your own thread. Let us enjoy what we deserve. I have tuned several trucks and I think this is the best decision which isn't debatable anymore.. We dont have warranties, we are involved in extreme competition and there are 10's of thousands more of us with not near the quality ride and drivability you 10-12 guys have. Just be patient and enjoy your luxury!

Not hating, just impatient. I am glad to see the progress on Cummins tuning in general, because it helps all of us. My truck will wait. Upside for me is I'll have way more trucks available to tune after the 03-05 stuff is released, and like you mentioned, this will help spread the EFI word to more people since there are surely more of the older ones in a competition environment.

-Joe

[comnrailpwr]

I know I have been waiting. It's been fun tuning ppls trucks but ready to tune my comp truck. I'm finally going to be installing my motor in my puller so I'll need tuning. I sold the tst,smarty,mp8 a year ago and have no tuning:mad:. Hopefully the first release in a few months will net my highest hp numbers once I get it dialed in. We'll see.

[tokymon]

get it flashed at the dealer before tring to program with efi live
you dont want the ecm to be a door stop
they are having problems with some after being tuned with a smarty

[FUBAR]

~$60 for a fresh flash from the dealer is a wise investment. Speaking of the CAN, don't know if SCI will apply.

[Wrench]

Very excited to hear about the 03-05 Cummins support. Sooner the better.

[Farmboy04]

This is great i cant wait till it comes out!

[NightFireF7]

Any updates on how this is coming along?

[cindy@efilive]

The boys are working through what is necessary to get this done. When it's ready for the hands of the beta testers I'll provide an update.

They are still finalising other projects as this one commences - we released support for a new GM controller just this week, so while you don't see any announcements as such for the 03-05, there is progress behind the scenes.

Cheers
Cindy

[NightFireF7]

Thanks Cindy,

I am really glad to hear that it is moving along behind the scenes. I know that you probably hear this a lot but I will be a beta tester if you want.

I have an 04.5 I can give you a list of mods if you are considering it. But I also use this truck as my daily driver, towing, and sled pulling on the weekends. There is a dyno close by that I can get time on. I would love to help move this along for all the 03 to 05 guys.

Let me know if I can help.

Jer

[Bankdude]

Bump to follow.

[wickedcummins]

Been a month... Any updates ?

[LReiff]

Has patience died?

[spooled05]

Either this or people just cant read!

[jp-4.5]

Am following this thread and also interested in purchasing. All I hear are good things by anyone that has used this on the CAN based Cummins.. Keep up the Great Work! 2004.5 Dodge

[wickedcummins]

Any updates you can share with us? Hows it coming ?

[jwg9405]

subscribed, and patiently waiting

[wickedcummins]

Hey cindy have there been any updates on this ?

[cindy@efilive]

It's actively being worked on

Cheers
Cindy

[wickedcummins]

Thanks for the reply? Got any idea when we might see some beta or release?

Thank you

[Duramax 6.6L]

Subscribed

[Goody17]

Hey Cindy, If you're looking for beta testers I'm a great candidate. I had a smarty ssr with a smaller charger dyno tuned, and it made good power. Now I put a charger big enough to go up to 4500 rpm's and the ssr cuts fueling at 3600 rpm. I NEED BETTER PROGRAMMING. Please help.

Thanks Derek

[Helton87]

Subscribed, THANK YOU EFILIVE!!!!!! I havent installed a tune because i have been waiting for this program! Please let me know if you need a test truck!! Daily driver with 100hp injectors, 64mm turbo, afe blade runner intake, cold air intake, 150 air dog, 4" turbo back exhaust, 2pc manifold, and gauges.

[Speed00]

Subscribed, THANK YOU EFILIVE!!!!!! I havent installed a tune because i have been waiting for this program! Please let me know if you need a test truck!! Daily driver with 100hp injectors, 64mm turbo, afe blade runner intake, cold air intake, 150 air dog, 4" turbo back exhaust, 2pc manifold, and gauges.
hey helton,
what kind of gas milage you getting with setup. what size tire?
my wife's truck is similar to yours but with big valve head and mc motorsports intake on 35's and im getting 10-11. was really hoping this is in beta test soon as i have 3 other 05's all in different configurations.

[Helton87]

i am running 33x12.50 / 17's. i have just ran my first full tank through (after the upgrades) and when i was fueling up i was checking all of the fuel connections and i noticed that the airdog was leaking on the top where the fuel pressure sending unit is at, ill have to take it off and install teflon tape and see if that stops the leak. so i cant give you an accurate reading just yet. but before i did all of the installs, everything was stock, origional parts, with 227,000 miles, bad injectors, turbo and i was getting about 15-17mpg with those tires.

[comnrailpwr]

How about an update Cindy, Ross, Paul anybody?

[cindy@efilive]

Still moving along...obviously not as fast as everyone wants, but its still being worked on in development.

Cheers
Cindy

[estrada5.9]

Looking forward to real tuning. Keep up the good works.

[Tomeygun]

Still moving along...obviously not as fast as everyone wants, but its still being worked on in development.

Cheers
Cindy

Still good news. Everytime I get the urge to trade in my 2003 for a 2006-2007 5.9L, I come back to this thread and it holds me off.

On the other hand, if you said 03-05 production has been canceled, I'd be out that night looking for a 2006 mega cab to trade my truck in on!!!

[Wheelz]

Still moving along...obviously not as fast as everyone wants, but its still being worked on in development.

Cheers
Cindy

Thank for the update Cindy.

I'm in the same boat as the guy above me. Ill keep waiting on this till it happens or you ditch the effort. And if its ditched my truck will be for sale before nightfall.

[wickedcummins]

I cant wait for this to be released. I hope they finish it becuase I dont really want to rewire my truck but I will!

[Nicodemus1995]

It's actively being worked on

Cheers
Cindy
Any updates really looking forward to it like so many other haven't seen anything in a while thought I might check up thanks keep up the good work !

[paulb]

Has the development progressed far enough to confirm that the blue V2's will work with the 03-05's?

Paul

[cindy@efilive]

Has the development progressed far enough to confirm that the blue V2's will work with the 03-05's?

Paul

The whole purpose of switching from Black V2's to Blue V2's was because we changed the circuit boards to be SCI compliant.

Cheers
Cindy

[paulb]

I know that was the intent.

Paul

[Nicodemus1995]

havnt seen any action on the 03-05 just curious if there are any updates keep up the good work cant wait thanks


Nick

[KhakiCummins]

A quote from Cindy over on the Cummins Forum...

"Ross has decided that due to lack of real progress on a number of fronts he needs to clear up a bunch of his outstanding projects before continuing with this. I'd suggest it will be at least another 6 weeks or so before he picks up development again.

Not the message you wanted over the holidays but its the truth. You can't keep developing and not make real progress when there are other projects that can be finished. In all honesty I'm happy with his decision....taking a break and starting afresh with a clear mind can work wonders, especially when you workload in other areas has little or no pressure.

Cheers
Cindy "

[LReiff]

If the 03-05 competition guys can't wait I do have a way to use EFILive to on 03-05 trucks and retain instrument cluster function. Currently competition only.

[Gwoody]

If the 03-05 competition guys can't wait I do have a way to use EFILive to on 03-05 trucks and retain instrument cluster function. Currently competition only.

Can you elaborate as to what is involved and the cost?

[LReiff]

I have it set up so it's simply plug and play with approx. an hour install time. Price is less than other stand alone ecu systems and it comes with a good used ecm that I've tested. If you need more info just follow the link in my sig and give me a call.

Thanks!

[Fiveman]

When might the '03-'05 setup be released? What is the possibility of using an '06 ECM in my '04.5 and buying the 2006 software? I really really REALLY NEED EFI LIVE!

[cindy@efilive]

When might the '03-'05 setup be released? What is the possibility of using an '06 ECM in my '04.5 and buying the 2006 software? I really really REALLY NEED EFI LIVE!

About 4 posts up from yours details our latest information. If you need a solution now, your best bet is to contact Lee, who's solution is also detailed just above yours

Cheers
Cindy

[Duramax 6.6L]

I have it set up so it's simply plug and play with approx. an hour install time. Price is less than other stand alone ecu systems and it comes with a good used ecm that I've tested. If you need more info just follow the link in my sig and give me a call.

Thanks!

I went to your web site and didn't find anything on this listed, please send me a link to view the details.

Regards,

Frank

[KhakiCummins]

I went to your web site and didn't find anything on this listed, please send me a link to view the details.

Regards,

Frank

I think he was saying to give him a call at the number that is on the web page linked in his signature. I don't think he was saying the info was on the web page.

[LReiff]

I think he was saying to give him a call at the number that is on the web page linked in his signature. I don't think he was saying the info was on the web page.

This is correct.

[bmc1025]

When this 03-05 support comes out will we be able to trade our black V2 in on a blue one?

[LReiff]

All my Cummins tuning happens on a Black V2. ;)

[bmc1025]

All my Cummins tuning happens on a Black V2. ;)

NICE!

If it was my truck it would also, but it is a friend of mines DD. I am trying to get him away from the box tuner on his 03. I bought EFILive for a LS1B swap in a few of my gas trucks. Now everyone I know with a diesel wants a tune. I have been reading the forums for 2 months straight during my free time to learn.

[cindy@efilive]

Black V2s don't have the required circuit board changes to support SCI. In December 2010 our hardware changes were implemented and are easily identified by the FlashScan hardware case. A Blue V2 will be required to tune SCI vehicles. There is no upgrades in place for those customers moving from a Black to Blue FlashScan V2.

Cheers
Cindy

[NightFireF7]

Hi Cindy,

Have they started working on the 03 - 05 again yet? I remember you saying that they were taking a 6 week break on it to get other things finished up. I am sorry if this info is somewhere else there is a lot of talk but unless I hear it from here I don't really believe it.

[cindy@efilive]

Nope, it hasn't recommenced. Ross is still focused on delivering features for CSP and EDA, along with the changed Gasser ECM.

Cheers
Cindy

[NightFireF7]

Hi Cindy,

Any new info on the 03 - 05 project?

[cumminskid23]

Any updates on the 03-05 project? Thanks

[comnrailpwr]

I hope, I jumped the gun way long ago and sold all my smarty stuff and CAN swap stuff. That caused me to miss a season of pulling and now season two coming up. Hopefully something is happening. To be honest I would think this support would have came before all this switchable tuning stuff and further development for the current supported Cummins trucks. I understand the gas world is a larger market and comes first but I am willing to bet with 03-05 support the CR cummins will quickly be your largest diesel market.

[cindy@efilive]

We will provide an update when we have something tangible to share.

Cheers
Cindy

[bent3]

Does efilive support a 1998 dodge 24valve 5.9??

[cindy@efilive]

Does efilive support a 1998 dodge 24valve 5.9??

No, EFILive has no plans on supporting any Dodge Cummins vehicles prior to 2003

Cheers
Cindy

[comnrailpwr]

You mean no plans on supporting dodge Cummins vehicles prior to 2003.

[cindy@efilive]

You mean no plans on supporting dodge Cummins vehicles prior to 2003.

Brain talking faster than my fingers.....really needed that second coffee before I start on forums. I've edited my post.

Cheers
Cindy

[DoghouseDiesel]

But, but, but......I wanna make a 12V tune.

:hihi:

[2007 5.9]

But, but, but......I wanna make a 12V tune.

:hihi:

Woah!!!! Rich checking in!!!

Btw, 12v tunes are quite successful.

[cindy@efilive]

But, but, but......I wanna make a 12V tune.

:hihi:

Sir, we are not stopping you from making your 12V tune, when you've got it dusted come and see us ;) LOL!

See there Rich that is something you can do with all your spare time in retirement ;)

Cheers
Cindy

[DoghouseDiesel]

Sir, we are not stopping you from making your 12V tune, when you've got it dusted come and see us ;) LOL!

See there Rich that is something you can do with all your spare time in retirement ;)

Cheers
Cindy

Well, ya see, I'm trying to piggyback my '06 ECM onto my '96 12V and swap it into my '12 and control my 68, but I heard that Fords 6.7 was next in the development timeline so I might hold out for that, so when are you gonna have that done?

:hihi:

[ScarabEpic22]

Well, ya see, I'm trying to piggyback my '06 ECM onto my '96 12V and swap it into my '12 and control my 68, but I heard that Fords 6.7 was next in the development timeline so I might hold out for that, so when are you gonna have that done?

:hihi:

LOLzzzzz...

I want 7.3L Powerstrokes next! :music_whistling_1:

[cindy@efilive]

Our neighbour has a PSD but I'm still trying to figure out if its a 6.4L or 6.7L without looking like I'm stalking their place.....lol.

Cheers
Cindy

[dansdieselp]

6.7 has the fancy chrome badge on the doors that say 6.7 Powerstroke B20. 6.4s just have V8 Powerstroke on the fender pieces.

[Colton bleier]

EFI for 6.7 powerstroke?!?! Pretty sweet but still waitin for 03-05 cummins support.

[tokymon]

lol if were getting that crazy i want olds 5.7l diesel tuning:notacrook:

[comnrailpwr]

Wow, that's a new level of awesome. They'll be about 5 people in the world wanting it because thats probably all that still runs.

[DoghouseDiesel]

EFI for 6.7 powerstroke?!?! Pretty sweet but still waitin for 03-05 cummins support.

And all it took was one mention in jest......

Time to go peruse the Ford forums and see how many things pop up about them being next.

lol

[cindy@efilive]

Rich is right, PSD is all in jest....we have no plans on supporting them even if the neighbour parked his truck in our driveway for the next month.

Just for giggles, I will take note of the badges Dan next time I see it parked outside.

Cheers
Cindy

[Colton bleier]

Any good news on the SCI stuff? Been itchin for 03-05 support for a long time now! Any news would be appreciated thanks.

[cindy@efilive]

No news is good news...right. We will provide an update when we have one.

Cheers
Cindy

[schwoch1]

lol if were getting that crazy i want olds 5.7l diesel tuning:notacrook:

I laughed my ass off at this because I just put an injector pump on one of them just last week! It had to be the cleanest '81 Buick LeSabre I have ever seen in my life. This car was this mans life!!! After driving it, you can see how far automotive diesels have come over the years. 0-60 in this machine was measured with a calender, not a stopwatch!!!!
Mike

[NightFireF7]

Please tell me that there is some sort of movement with this project.

Please Please Please

[Colton bleier]

I too would want to know.

[Cummin]

I heard mid summer of 2013!!! We are in mid summer, please give us a much anticipated update...

[DoghouseDiesel]

Sorry, Ford 6.7's are the current project.

[NightFireF7]

Please tell me that you are kidding DoghouseDiesel

[cindy@efilive]

I heard mid summer of 2013!!! We are in mid summer, please give us a much anticipated update...
Where did you hear that? I don't think we ever put a date around it other than announce it was the next project after 6.7L. We are not presently working on 03-05, but have plans on getting back to it soon after CSP is released.


Sorry, Ford 6.7's are the current project.


Please tell me that you are kidding DoghouseDiesel
I wondered how long it would take someone to bite! Rich is just messing with you.

Cheers
Cindy

[DoghouseDiesel]

Where did you hear that? I don't think we ever put a date around it other than announce it was the next project after 6.7L. We are not presently working on 03-05, but have plans on getting back to it soon after CSP is released.

I wondered how long it would take someone to bite! Rich is just messing with you.

Cheers
Cindy

Cindy, stop stringing that young man along. You know I just sent you a read from the '13 Ford in the driveway.

[Colton bleier]

How soon is soon? And is the csp gonna be able to work with the sci trucks, or is it just for can-bus ecms?

[johnyb59]

How soon is soon? And is the csp gonna be able to work with the sci trucks, or is it just for can-bus ecms?
I don't think it was going to be avaiable for sci trucks because of memory constraints in the ecm.

[cindy@efilive]

How soon is soon? And is the csp gonna be able to work with the sci trucks, or is it just for can-bus ecms?

We won't define time, it will take as long as it takes. Features will be determined during the development phase.

Cheers
Cindy

[MikeOD]

No news is good news...right. We will provide an update when we have one.

Cheers
Cindy

Is no news still good news Cindy? One of my friends is ITCHING to tune his 2004 truck!!!

[Turbo_Mike]

Well, I've personally bought, installed, and tuned 3 smarty SSR's on CR trucks since this thread was started.... any word on if this is actually going to happen or should I just give up and buy another one for my own truck so I can finally write my own map and not use a stupid pre-mapped programmer.....? I've been patiently waiting for many years.

[cindy@efilive]

We will provide updates as progress is made. Until then we continue to advise all our customers NOT to consider EFILive for this market segment until we have a product available for sale.

Cheers
Cindy

[Turbo_Mike]

We will provide updates as progress is made. Until then we continue to advise all our customers NOT to consider EFILive for this market segment until we have a product available for sale.

Cheers
Cindy

Understood. Thank you for the reply Cindy.

[HVD Performance]

I know its beating a dead horse but anything come of the sci trucks. I spent several dollars on person XXX conversion kit that was to make dash etc all work in have full control over my truck I have never been so frustrated with his set up. It not just me Zach at Starlight has been helping with tuning it. I would just like to get my 03 truck to run efi with just the one ecm instead of piggy backed with a 06 ecm and 03 ecm to control dash.

Thanks

[cindy@efilive]

It remains in our plans, however with the difficulty we experienced last time we tackled the project future development sits behind a range of other platforms. I don't see much time invested in this project during the first half of 2014 with our other priorities.

Cheers
Cindy

[06megatuned]

Cindy, may I ask what you guys are working as far as Cummins goes? 2010+? And will we ever be able to tune 03-05?

[cindy@efilive]

We have a number of projects presently under development. The highest priorities for us are finishing LML development, completing CSP (chime and full fueling above 4200 RPM for cummins), then e47 diesel Cruze. Additional platforms are not part of our development plans in the first quarter. At that point we will determine what will be added next.

Cheers
Cindy

[kwkabbes]

Can i ask why one of the most popular trucks is on the back burner? I have talked to people that are willing to go out and spend 2400 just to have custom ecm put in to able an efi tune is this model truck. I am one of them. I am not in EFI's marketing department but if i were i would wonder why it is they don't attempt to make this work because the money he could make off the 03-05 guys alone i would think would make up for all the 2010+ duramaxs and cummins. Just me 2 Cents though.

[2007 5.9]

Marketing has ZERO to do with it....

[06megatuned]

Communications protocol for sci trucks. Edge, bullydog, and everyone else has it figured out. I guess it's harder then it looks.

[06megatuned]

I know a ton of people who want 03-05. I think it would be as big as the duramax.

[cindy@efilive]

Can i ask why one of the most popular trucks is on the back burner? I have talked to people that are willing to go out and spend 2400 just to have custom ecm put in to able an efi tune is this model truck. I am one of them. I am not in EFI's marketing department but if i were i would wonder why it is they don't attempt to make this work because the money he could make off the 03-05 guys alone i would think would make up for all the 2010+ duramaxs and cummins. Just me 2 Cents though.

It's explained in my post a couple above yours - post 101 to be exact.

Cheers
Cindy

[kwkabbes]

I apologize if i came off as rude. I just talked to someone the other day who got me excited about the efi for the 03-05 cummins and for whatever some intelligent reason, I thought this was simple. I know that the smarty capabilities do not hold a candle to the EFI so I am just excited to see what the EFI capabilities are for this truck.

Thanks
Kolby

[30 RUM]

Hey Cindy,

I know we haven't made it to mid year yet, are you still thinking you guys may revisit this platform in the year?

Thanks

Sam

[GMPX]

I am not in EFI's marketing department but if i were i would wonder why it is they don't attempt to make this work because the money he could make off the 03-05 guys alone i would think would make up for all the 2010+ duramaxs and cummins..
It's not a numbers thing, it is a technical issue and time issue, nothing more.
But, you need to be aware that technically 03 - 05 is not correct also, the 2003 had a different (very dumb) ECM compared to the 04-05, so it is really only a two year model run that could be supported anyway. Compare that to the LML which runs 2010 - 2015+. Some would argue 2010 - 2015+ Cummins would be a better option than the SCI trucks, but of course they put developers in a world of pain with the high level of security on them.

[06megatuned]

At least tuning the 04-05 we wouldn't have to worry as much as tuning the lml as far as emissions go. Plus there are a million 04-05's.

[30 RUM]

It's not a numbers thing, it is a technical issue and time issue, nothing more.
But, you need to be aware that technically 03 - 05 is not correct also, the 2003 had a different (very dumb) ECM compared to the 04-05, so it is really only a two year model run that could be supported anyway. Compare that to the LML which runs 2010 - 2015+. Some would argue 2010 - 2015+ Cummins would be a better option than the SCI trucks, but of course they put developers in a world of pain with the high level of security on them.

When you say that the 03's are a dumb ECM does that mean that you guys may not support them? I know that this is like beating a dead horse but I have people asking me about tuning them all of the time.

Thanks

Sam

[30 RUM]

Anymore light on this subject? I know you guys are going back to the 6.7L to tie up some loose ends, just checking to see if it is being taken of the back burner.

Thanks

Sam

[cindy@efilive]

Anymore light on this subject? I know you guys are going back to the 6.7L to tie up some loose ends, just checking to see if it is being taken of the back burner.

Thanks

Sam

6.7L has only just moved back into development this week. There is nothing to update at this point of time. Feel free to ask again a couple of weeks after we've digested the 6.7L public release update.

Cheers
Cindy

[30 RUM]

Sounds good, I will pass on the info.

Thanks
Sam

[cumminsguy2016]

Any updates?

[Gandolf1974]

Yes any updates? You guys have been working on this for two + years. I work in IT and I know that development can take a little bit but jeesh. We are waiting and restless!

[air_time24]

I'd take a 04.5 right here. . Updates?

[cindy@efilive]

We have worked on SCI sporadically over the last couple of years. I think we've invested maybe 2-3 months of development in total without the results we hoped for. With our other development plans finalised for 2014, I can say it won't be touched in 2014. We haven't said we won't go back to it, but when the sci bus is unfamiliar to our developers when measured against projects where they are familiar with, it's been prioritised accordingly.

Cheers
Cindy

[Black6spdZ]

We have worked on SCI sporadically over the last couple of years. I think we've invested maybe 2-3 months of development in total without the results we hoped for. With our other development plans finalised for 2014, I can say it won't be touched in 2014. We haven't said we won't go back to it, but when the sci bus is unfamiliar to our developers when measured against projects where they are familiar with, it's been prioritised accordingly.

Cheers
Cindy

Cindy, was any work attempted at connecting with the CAN datalink underhood connector of the 04-05 PCMs? Could it be pinned to pins 6 and 14 of the OBD2 port and communicated with via CAN bus and not legacy SCI?

[GMPX]

Yes, in fact that was the path we were heading down rather than the old legacy SCI bus. But it would have been a major (major!) job getting that slow CAN bus protocol in to the software so we decided against it. We were able to talk to the ECM via that port, but it is totally different to the High Speed CAN bus messaging.

[comnrailpwr]

Yes, in fact that was the path we were heading down rather than the old legacy SCI bus. But it would have been a major (major!) job getting that slow CAN bus protocol in to the software so we decided against it. We were able to talk to the ECM via that port, but it is totally different to the High Speed CAN bus messaging.

I'm assuming this is all limitations of the ecm itself and not the vehicle. Like things don't get easier or faster on the bench?

[Black6spdZ]

GMPX, is it not J1939/11 250k?

[GMPX]

I'm assuming this is all limitations of the ecm itself and not the vehicle. Like things don't get easier or faster on the bench?
Hardware config, the ECM simply doesn't have a 500K CAN port, only 250K. I think it was about 2006 that 500K CAN became mandatory on all vehicles, up to that point OEM's could do whatever they wanted. But the CAN speed was not the issue, see below...


GMPX, is it not J1939/11 250k?
Yes correct (except 29bit) but AFAIK the messaging involved for read/flash via J1939 is Cummins spec, not SAE. If it was SAE then we would could have considered adding it in as all the documentation is available from the SAE.

[scholtus]

im new to this game but I have a 05 2500 5.9 and was wondering if efi live is compatable or will be compatable with it anytime soon if so were to get it etc etc we had it on our 04 dmax and from what I can remember you could do a lot that a standard tuner couldn't any advice info etc is appreciated, thank you

[2007 5.9]

im new to this game but I have a 05 2500 5.9 and was wondering if efi live is compatable or will be compatable with it anytime soon if so were to get it etc etc we had it on our 04 dmax and from what I can remember you could do a lot that a standard tuner couldn't any advice info etc is appreciated, thank you

EFI will not be supporting the 03-05 trucks.

[chevycummins1]

When are we getting 03-05 support??

[comnrailpwr]

When are we getting 03-05 support??

You can't be serious! Try reading the post above yours.

[cindy@efilive]

When are we getting 03-05 support??

As per the response in your other thread about 15 mins before posting here, EFILive announced it will no longer be seeking to develop support for 03-05 SCI based trucks.

We've invested a couple of thousand development hours into the project without return, and can't see how adding more resources will change that. We made a decision to concentrate on newer platforms, and presently have 2010-15 Cummins in beta.

2010-15 Cummins is scheduled for release in the next few days, and these platforms will consume the best part of the next 12 months of development for enhancements.

So even if we didn't say we were dropping SCI there is simply no development time available in 2015.

Cheers
Cindy

[MikeOD]

String customers along for 2 years and then that's all we get???

Anybody want to buy a V2?

[chevycummins1]

ATTN: comnrailpwr, I didn't read the last page jackass I only posted in the proper thread to try to get some answers. I don't sit at a computer and read 113 pages to get to the end. Sorry for asking a question

[comnrailpwr]

ATTN: comnrailpwr, I didn't read the last page jackass.I don't sit at a computer and read 113 pages to get to the end.
Mistake number one. ppl like you is why threads get so cluttered because you cant even take the time to read a little before asking a question, Of which has been answered in all SCI support threads on the internet multiple times. This thread is only 14 pages... Common sense goes long way here. Sorry for answering your repeated question..

[cindy@efilive]

String customers along for 2 years and then that's all we get???

Anybody want to buy a V2?

We never strung anyone along. We've always been open and honest with what's going on in development. It's been in development, it's had a lot of resources thrown at it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, in this case it didn't.

At the end of the day we need to develop a product that will generate a return on the investment made. To date that didn't happen with SCI, nor could our developers see that in the foreseeable future so we've cut our losses.

We are just as disappointed as anyone. It's a bitter pill to swallow.

Cheers
Cindy

[chevycummins1]

Do me a favor comonrailpwr if you ever get to PA let me know so I can meet you in person to tell you how much of a jackass you really are. I only asked a question that didn't need a stupid comment made.

[GMPX]

EFI will not be supporting the 03-05 trucks.

Next post....


When are we getting 03-05 support??


ATTN: comnrailpwr, I didn't read the last page jackass I only posted in the proper thread to try to get some answers. I don't sit at a computer and read 113 pages to get to the end. Sorry for asking a question
Well the post above yours kinda answered your question I think you'll find comnrailpwr was getting at (in a round about way).


String customers along for 2 years and then that's all we get???

Anybody want to buy a V2?
From the outset we have said we 'intended' to support the old SCI trucks, BUT, not to buy a V2 solely for that purpose. If you have been told otherwise then please show me where.

FWIW, when we asked many of our Diesel customers (shops) should we continue to pursue SCI or develop 10-15 6.7 tuning, I would say 95% or more said 10+ tuning was far more important to them.
03 - 05 can be broken down further. It is really 04-05 as the 03 uses a different ECM build again (the CM846).

The decision has been made, abusing EFILive or its resellers might make you feel better but it is not going to change our R&D direction, we've already poured a lot of time in to the 03-05, we've taken a hit there too.

[comnrailpwr]

Do me a favor comonrailpwr if you ever get to PA let me know so I can meet you in person to tell you how much of a jackass you really are. I only asked a question that didn't need a stupid comment made.

Stupid questions get stupid answers. Simple as that. Regardless, I'm pretty sure I answered your question. So carry on being a keyboard racing internet ninja. You won't get much help here with your childish attitude. From your lack of comprehension and reading skills, you'll need it.

[chevycummins1]

That's fine Jake a.k.a comonrailpwr, it may have been a mistake on my part not to read the whole thread.I was just trying to get a fast answer for a customer, Sorry for the mistake. I hope the tuning you do for your customers in Lancaster Ohio is more professional than the way you act on here. But I'm sure if they ask you a stupid question in person I would hope as a fellow business owner you treat them with more respect.

[comnrailpwr]

That's fine Jake a.k.a comonrailpwr, it may have been a mistake on my part not to read the whole thread.I was just trying to get a fast answer for a customer, Sorry for the mistake. I hope the tuning you do for your customers in Lancaster Ohio is more professional than the way you act on here. But I'm sure if they ask you a stupid question in person I would hope as a fellow business owner you treat them with more respect.

I give respect when its given, customer or not. I tune trucks all over both sides of the Mississippi and stand behind my work 100% or full refund is given including licensing costs. Regardless I gave you a fast answer and you "professionally" preceded to name calling and personal conflict. Skimming the thread would have taken a couple minutes to get your answer, much faster than waiting on a reply. I hope you have a better day, carry on.

[Gandolf1974]

If your business model is to only work on the things you know, how can you, as a company, expect to grow? It seems silly to me that you would not put a full development team onto a project like this. The demand is there and you are going to end up missing out on a huge market simply because the leaders are not able evolve and grasp a sci bus. It sounds like very poor leadership to me and it greatly disappoints me.

[dansdieselp]

If your business model is to only work on the things you know, how can you, as a company, expect to grow? It seems silly to me that you would not put a full development team onto a project like this. The demand is there and you are going to end up missing out on a huge market simply because the leaders are not able evolve and grasp a sci bus. It sounds like very poor leadership to me and it greatly disappoints me.

They make new trucks everyday bud. They aren't making SCI trucks anymore and never will. They're outdated and getting older by the day. Same goes for the 24v VP trucks. Either buy a newer truck or buy a Smarty.

[GMPX]

If your business model is to only work on the things you know, how can you, as a company, expect to grow? It seems silly to me that you would not put a full development team onto a project like this. The demand is there and you are going to end up missing out on a huge market simply because the leaders are not able evolve and grasp a sci bus. It sounds like very poor leadership to me and it greatly disappoints me.
Ok, do you actually understand the technical difference between the SCI bus and CAN before you go accusing EFILive of poor leadership?

I'll try to wrap it around a different scenario....
Apple computers up until around 2006 used a CPU series known as PowerPC (lets say that is SCI), then in 2006 they switched to Intel Core CPU's (lets call that CAN). The two CPU's are totally different, programs can not be run between them just like SCI and CAN are totally different in every way shape and form. What you are asking is the equivalent of Apple to abandon or stop development on their entire computer range from 2006 (which ironically is about when Cummins changed to CAN), to go back and write updated versions of their software for end of life products that used the PowerPC series CPU's. Not sure that would really make sense when what they work on now (Intel CPU based development) covers an 8 year product life and will continue to expand as the years go on. Hard fact is that the SCI ECM (we are really only talking the CM848 here) had a one and a half year product life at best.

[Gandolf1974]

They make new trucks everyday bud. They aren't making SCI trucks anymore and never will. They're outdated and getting older by the day. Same goes for the 24v VP trucks. Either buy a newer truck or buy a Smarty.

So you think that giving up on a market that has somewhere between a 500,000 and 1,000,000 trucks is a waste of time and resources? The market share is there. The demand is there. If you cannot do it then you will not succeed. To me it seems like they just gave up instead of building something that people want. You won't stay in business very long with that type of business model.

[GMPX]

Why did I waste my time responding, clearly the walls are up at your end :throw:

Ah also, are you telling us Dodge sold 1,000,000 Cummins powered RAM's between 2004 and 2005?

[Gandolf1974]

I am very familiar with the differences. I also have worked in product development so I know what goes on. Giving up on something when the market share is as huge as the Cummins 03-05 market is, to me, is poorly planned by poor leadership.

[Dmaxink]

If your business model is to only work on the things you know, how can you, as a company, expect to grow? It seems silly to me that you would not put a full development team onto a project like this. The demand is there and you are going to end up missing out on a huge market simply because the leaders are not able evolve and grasp a sci bus. It sounds like very poor leadership to me and it greatly disappoints me.

The amount of calls we get for 2010+ trucks vs prior 2006 trucks is around 500 to 1. I'm very thankful EFI is pursuing ventures that will keep food on my employees tables. Is there a market for SCI trucks? Yes.... is it even 1/4 of that of 2010+? No.


Very smart business move by efi.

[dansdieselp]

So you think that giving up on a market that has somewhere between a 500,000 and 1,000,000 trucks is a waste of time and resources? The market share is there. The demand is there. If you cannot do it then you will not succeed. To me it seems like they just gave up instead of building something that people want. You won't stay in business very long with that type of business model.

Of those trucks how many are still on the road and how many owners will actually modify them? Numbers are getting smaller. New fourth gens are being made right now and those numbers are increasing every day. That's where the market is at. Another common misbelief is EFILive is a big company with many developers. Not the case. The whole company is made up of about 6-10 people and they're in New Zeeland. Of that group only one guy (Ross) does all the mapping development for the company. So there isn't spare time to go back and develop support for a 10+ year old truck with no guarantee the work put into it will work out in the end. Smarty has UDC for the SCI trucks and works pretty good.

[dansdieselp]

The amount of calls we get for 2010+ trucks vs prior 2006 trucks is around 500 to 1. I'm very thankful EFI is pursuing ventures that will keep food on my employees tables. Is there a market for SCI trucks? Yes.... is it even 1/4 of that of 2010+? No.


Very smart business move by efi.

I believe I had 5-6 people ask all last year if they will be supported.

[cindy@efilive]

I am very familiar with the differences. I also have worked in product development so I know what goes on. Giving up on something when the market share is as huge as the Cummins 03-05 market is, to me, is poorly planned by poor leadership.

Good leadership is admitting a favourable outcome won't be possible in a reasonable time frame with adequate resources (admitting defeat and retreating for want of a better term). Bad leadership is continuing to throw good resources into something that doesn't show any promise of return.

Given your understanding of the 2 product structures, I propose we contract you on a full time basis, but choose not to pay you until you deliver a result.....which up until our announcement is how it worked for us. 3000 man hours and counting.....

Cheers
Cindy

[GMPX]

to me, is poorly planned by poor leadership.
Poor leadership is what politicians give us because they just make decisions to get more votes and be popular, good leadership means not being everything to everyone, you have to make the harder calls sometimes, not everyone can win.
If you are so blinded by your own interests that you can't see this then really why bother continuing to post? You've seen a few shop owners respond saying the numbers are simply not what you imagine, how many Cummins trucks have you tuned in 2014 vs how many the tuners who've responded? I take their word of experience over someone who is just annoyed their truck is not supported. I appreciate that you want EFILive for your truck, that is a compliment, but as Dan said, UDC is there for you right now if you want it.

Before you repost the 'poor leadership' message again, please point me to where Dodge shows they sold 1,000,000 Cummins powered RAM's between 2004 and 2005 as you've stated?

[SASDakota]

And 2003-2005 is not accurate coverage of which systems were to be covered... 04.5-05 is more accurate.

That fact alone makes me wonder how "in the know" one could be.

[KhakiCummins]

Dodge sold ~1.35 million Ram trucks between the US and Canada for 2003-2005. There is no way 75% of these sales were Cummins powered. 50% would probably even still be generous. It was probably around the 30% mark which would be about 400K.... How many of those are still on the road....

[2007 5.9]

And 2003-2005 is not accurate coverage of which systems were to be covered... 04.5-05 is more accurate.

That fact alone makes me wonder how "in the know" one could be.

All 2003-2005 are SCI, thus the statement of 03-05 tuning would be correct. However it's a moot point now.

[SASDakota]

All 2003-2005 are SCI, thus the statement of 03-05 tuning would be correct. However it's a moot point now.

But as I read from EFI, they only planned to support 04.5-05 because the previous 03-04 albeit SCI was not a worthy participant. I did not dispute 03-04 being an SCI type platform.

[2007 5.9]

It was a higher likelihood of the later SCI but the early ones were never off the table.

Again moot points

[LReiff]

I have a solution that makes the 03-05 dodge/cummins trucks compatible with EFILive tuning software.
I should be able to make any I4, I6, V6 or V8 diesel with a bosch common rail fuel system EFILive compatible.
I have most components to build and do build complete new engine wire harnesses to work with any compatible ecu.
All my work is OEM quality or better.
PM or email for info.

For those of you that want something different than any trans Dodge offers I can now make the 6 spd A1000 work behind a cummins.
The 5 spd A1000 is also a possibilty.

[dansdieselp]

^^^^ best option.

[ZH10]

so efi live is possable in 03 to 05 trucks, does everthing still work or is it more of a stand alone set up

[johnyb59]

http://www.competitiondiesel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176970
Beware of LReiff

[sparkey]

I get the business case, you have to follow the money and resource constraints dictate tackling the growing markets, don't fault you in the least.

Not sure if you were joking but perhaps contracting to deliver a solution isn't such a bad idea, sounds like a fun project. I'm a firmware guy, own one of these trucks and would love to see you have an offering in this market, enough so that I'd be willing to consider your offer if you're serious. Basically...I'm in if you're game.

Send me a private message and we can discuss details.

Cheers,
Steve

[GMPX]

Thanks for the offer Steve but it is just such an enormous project to make happen that it is not going to, besides we won't use external contractors to develop firmware for our hardware. Thanks again though.

[sparkey]

Lol...I definitely get the enormous project issue, if only we could grab beers and trade a few stories!

One can certainly see risks and complications outsourcing development, I suppose you could hire me at a dollar per year but I know that is not the issue:)

Can't say its not disappointing but in the end it's your business and you have to make tough decisions at times.

The offer stands if change your mind.