New product for EFILive needed.

[ArKay99]

I have looked around for a wideband and controller for a while now. All the commercial offerings I see are very complete. Too complete. By that I mean every one of them offers at least the WB output and another output or 2 and logging. Some have the option to connect an inductive sensor for measuring spark for rpm's. Since I can get all this info with EFILIve if I purchase one of these units I will be buying redundant capability. I have found one unit that just give a voltage output but it is a kit you must buy and build yourself.

Can anyone direct me to someone that makes a controller with just an output that I can plug into my FlashScan cable?

[jfpilla]

http://wbo2.com/order.htm

Go here and click on "Click for first step". It looks like you can pick and choose.

[87gmc]

so what all is needed to use wideband on efilive? I dont need all the dashboard numbers I just want the things needed to monitor with efilive.

[Steve Bryant]

Several of us in the Beta Test group have purchased and are using the PLX M-300 unit which works great!

Steve

[jfpilla]

so what all is needed to use wideband on efilive? I dont need all the dashboard numbers I just want the things needed to monitor with efilive.

There are a number of EFI users that have WB's. Maybe they can respond about how their brand works.
I have the TechEdge 1.5. It's no longer made.
It looks like the 2.0 needs an LSU sensor, which is relatively inexpensive. You would need the controller and the sensor to controller cable. Suggest you e-mail them and find out what you need for input and output. My 1.5 has different I/O connectors and I had to make my own output from a serial connector.

[Steve Bryant]

Several of us in the Beta Test group have purchased and are using the PLX M-300 unit which works great! Take a look at this thread http://www.efilive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=930&highlight=plx and I also put together a diagram of the system hookup on the documents page http://www.efilive.com/doc/wbo2install.pdf. The M-300 has a digital readout and there is an identical model without the readout for about $30 less.

Steve

[87gmc]

Several of us in the Beta Test group have purchased and are using the PLX M-300 unit which works great! Take a look at this thread http://www.efilive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=930&highlight=plx and I also put together a diagram of the system hookup on the documents page http://www.efilive.com/doc/wbo2install.pdf. The M-300 has a digital readout and there is an identical model without the readout for about $30 less.

Steve

So the one we need is the plug and play model? with no display?

[Steve Bryant]

Either the M-250 or the M-300 will require the same amount of preparation to install temporarily in a vehicle. I had originally planned to save $30 and get the M-250. Now, I'm really glad that I have the M-300 with the display because I frequently reference it whether I'm logging data or not.

There are some other good WBAFR units on the market too. The PLX just has the right blend of size and features in my opinion.

Steve

[dbaxter_ss]

Do we need both, or just the oxygen sensor and harness straight into the efi flashscan?
$79+$20 is much nicer :D

[ArKay99]

Several of us in the Beta Test group have purchased and are using the PLX M-300 unit which works great! Take a look at this thread http://www.efilive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=930&highlight=plx and I also put together a diagram of the system hookup on the documents page http://www.efilive.com/doc/wbo2install.pdf. The M-300 has a digital readout and there is an identical model without the readout for about $30 less.

Steve
Steve, I have looked at the PLX units and they are great. But they have logging built in and that is what EFILive does better. I also am paying for logging when I shouldn't have to. jfpilla turned me on to the TechEdge site and this is what I found there: (I hope I am not violating any rules of this board by copying and pasting this here. It is for informational purposes only.)

"The 2C0 is Tech Edge's miniature wideband product. We designed it primarily for motorcycle use where its small size is important. 2C0 is also suitable for all wideband applications where the extra logging capabilities of the 2A0 and 2B0 units are not required. It uses the larger M16 processor and more evolved pump cell control technology as found in the 2B0 unit and other more recent WBo2 units."

The fact that it is intended for motorsycle use is of little concern. Without the logging I am saving almost $100 for this unit.

I don't know what the demand is for a non-logging WBO2 controller, but with EFILive there is a need.

[jfpilla]

ArKay99,
That's what I would have bought. But the 1.5 was the newest model, only a little over a year ago. I had to get the NTK sensor and a Palm. It works great, but I'm envious anyway.
Joe

[John Skiba]

I also did a TechEdge 1.5 when it came out. Nice kit and works well with the NTK sensor. Don't know how anyone can even think about tuning based on regular oxygen sensors and ltrims, etc.

[GMPX]

Steve, I have looked at the PLX units and they are great. But they have logging built in and that is what EFILive does better. I also am paying for logging when I shouldn't have to. jfpilla turned me on to the TechEdge site and this is what I found there: (I hope I am not violating any rules of this board by copying and pasting this here. It is for informational purposes only.)

"The 2C0 is Tech Edge's miniature wideband product. We designed it primarily for motorcycle use where its small size is important. 2C0 is also suitable for all wideband applications where the extra logging capabilities of the 2A0 and 2B0 units are not required. It uses the larger M16 processor and more evolved pump cell control technology as found in the 2B0 unit and other more recent WBo2 units."

The fact that it is intended for motorsycle use is of little concern. Without the logging I am saving almost $100 for this unit.

I don't know what the demand is for a non-logging WBO2 controller, but with EFILive there is a need.

Remember, Tech Edge comes from Australia (Unless they have US distributors, so don't forget international shipping).

The PLX I have (M-300) does not have on board logging, but I did want the display built in (as it does).

Either way, I don't think you can go wrong.

Cheers
Ross

[mistermike]

Innovate Motorsports, makers of the well regarded LM-1 are developing a new "black box" unit with no datalogging or display. Rumor is around US$200. Also, Casper's Electronics, the O2 sim folks are reported to be working on a low cost unit as well.

[dbaxter_ss]

Didn't see a response.

If the flashscan has the inputs, and I only want to use the flashscan for O2 logging, what is the minimum hardware needed?

[Mark Barber]

Didn't see a response.

If the flashscan has the inputs, and I only want to use the flashscan for O2 logging, what is the minimum hardware needed?

You will need the controller to convert the signal from the WBO2 sensor into a 0 - 5v output, so the minimum hardware would be:-

WBO2 sensor
Cable to conect to controller
Controller ( with or without readout display and logging features )
Socket to weld onto exhaust to fit sensor (M18 X 1.5)

I have just purchased the PLX M300 and can highly recommend this unit, I now just have to wait for FLASHSCAN to arrive.

Regards, Mark Barber

[GMPX]

Controlling a WBO2 is a fairly complex thing with reasonably large currents needed for the heater controls.....way too much circuitry to squeeze into the Flashscan box.

Cheers,
Ross

[ArKay99]

Didn't see a response.

If the flashscan has the inputs, and I only want to use the flashscan for O2 logging, what is the minimum hardware needed?
You would need a controller, a WBO2 sensor, a bung, a plug for when you are not logging O2, and some hookup wire, maybe a grommet or 2. You specifically need a controller to heat the sensor and convert it's output to a linear voltage suitable for FlashScan's input.

[ArKay99]

Well, I don't know what I was reading on the PLX site that confused me, but the PLX M250 looks to be exactly what I need. :oops: No display, no logging, reliable inexpensive WBO2, and cables.
Thanks Ross! :wink:

[Bruce Melton]

Well, I don't know what I was reading on the PLX site that confused me, but the PLX M250 looks to be exactly what I need. :oops: No display, no logging, reliable inexpensive WBO2, and cables.
Thanks Ross! :wink:
For just a couple $ more>

https://www.forced-air.com/index.php?action=view_detail&product=64

I could not resist.