truck isnt going to full mm command or timing?????

[DieselMafialb7]

got a 06 5.9 wont go past 120mm or past 6-8* timing i cant figure it out ? any hints tables i may have missed? scan tool showed it was stopping anywere from 115-123mm truck has a built 48re and exhaust any help is appreciated

[2007 5.9]

Under limiters...go through all the tables and max them out, drive it and see if that changes your issue.

If so then do most of your limiting in the torque and boost tables.

[DieselMafialb7]

maxing the tq table makes the truck shift stupid but i can try the rest

[2007 5.9]

You started with a clean tune right??

[DieselMafialb7]

yes totally stock truck

[2007 5.9]

Can you define "Shifting Stupid" slightly more??

[DieselMafialb7]

it made it shuttle shift 1-2 i had the tq tables pretty high in lower rpms ect and soon as i rescaled it that went away trans is like 1800 miles old

[2007 5.9]

Sounds like you'll need to adjust your TTVA tables to solve the shuttle shift.

[DieselMafialb7]

How so by rasing them up or down?

[2007 5.9]

Adjust the lower values up a few % at a time till the SS is cleared.

[DieselMafialb7]

Ok well any other ideas on the mm being limited and timing? Will bumping up ttva help mid and full throttle shifts?

[LReiff]

Make small changes to the limiting tables and note the results. You'll soon figure out what is holding fuel back.

[DieselMafialb7]

Ill give the limiter tables a whirl

[kaiserbailey]

got a 06 5.9 wont go past 120mm or past 6-8* timing i cant figure it out ? any hints tables i may have missed? scan tool showed it was stopping anywere from 115-123mm truck has a built 48re and exhaust any help is appreciated

That's probably all the timing your going to see on a stock tune, or have you already changed the timing tables?

[DieselMafialb7]

That's probably all the timing your going to see on a stock tune, or have you already changed the timing tables?

ITS not a stock tune.... calling for 24*

[DieselMafialb7]

maxed out limiters and still holding timing back to 7*but fueling went up to 135 this time so made improvement there

[kaiserbailey]

ITS not a stock tune.... calling for 24*

Did you change all 5 timing tables or just the base table?

[DieselMafialb7]

All 5 are the exact same

what about table D6267?

[kaiserbailey]

It might be easier to diagnose if you post the tune file.

[DieselMafialb7]

how do i do that and it has to be something stupid i know it

[kaiserbailey]

click reply, then click on go advanced, then click the paperclip. You should be able to add it from there.

[DieselMafialb7]

see if this works

[2007 5.9]

Post a log of said conditions....

[DieselMafialb7]

ill have to go take one couple i have are way long ill make a short one asap anyone see anything i missed?

[2007 5.9]

I cannot see anything obvious...so a log is needed.

Just to be clear...this ECM was NEVER touched by anything like a handheld tuner, the calibrations were NEVER changed??

[DieselMafialb7]

I cannot see anything obvious...so a log is needed.

Just to be clear...this ECM was NEVER touched by anything like a handheld tuner, the calibrations were NEVER changed??

correct truck has been stone stock has 180k on it came in needing trans and injectors and wanted a tune been fighting it ever since

also what you wanting me to log as its in groups just timing and mm?

[kaiserbailey]

yea, I stared at it for a while, and nothing seems like it would be pulling timing.

[DieselMafialb7]

yea, I stared at it for a while, and nothing seems like it would be pulling timing.

i didnt think so either been pissing me off

[WisconsinHick1]

Subscribed.

[anarchydiesel]

try setting d0511 to minimum. 13496

[2007 5.9]

I saw that, but as we tested in BETA this value "Should" not have any bearing on limiting since its disabled...but good call.

Maybe that OS needs that changed as well.

[anarchydiesel]

Yes, I remember that as well. I always change it as a "just in case". However after reading back trough that should not have the OP limited to 6-8* timing. I am with you Les, an OS change would be a good move.

[DieselMafialb7]

Os change? I hate doing that anyone have a stock auto file they could send see if i can swap it without killing the ecm

[DieselMafialb7]

Anyone? Ill look on compd and tunedepot i guess find a stock 2006 auto? Anything i should look for when swapping?

[LReiff]

Use an 06 auto file off tunefiledepot.

[FUBAR]

PM me your email and I'll send you a 2006 Mega, Fed, auto virgin stock file with the high idle enabled from the dealer. I have it posted on Comp'd, but for some reason the library isn't working.

[DieselMafialb7]

Pmd my email

[FUBAR]

Sent

[DieselMafialb7]

going to give it a try thanks ill post back with my results

[DieselMafialb7]

Well still feels like something is lacking i forgot to log so this afternoon im going to log it abd see whats going on

[06redram]

Go to E2549 set your max timing to 46` in the map rang 120 mm3 and rpm 2900 here is a pichttp://img.tapatalk.com/601a5f88-532d-ac44.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/601a5f88-5367-ac8e.jpg

[06redram]

? ?????

[2007 5.9]

Go to E2549 set your max timing to 46` in the map rang 120 mm3 and rpm 2900 here is a pichttp://img.tapatalk.com/601a5f88-532d-ac44.jpg
http://img.tapatalk.com/601a5f88-5367-ac8e.jpg

Why is this??

All of the tunes I've built have the values set at a reasonable value and not something like that.

[06redram]

I could be wrong, at the time when we had 20* bias that's how I set my max in this map. All I did was add 20* to the whole map that gave the max timing in that mm3 rang. So far I have not any problems setting like that, it's been a year with that setup.

[2007 5.9]

Ok...as I stated I have my max timing set evenly across the board...

Maybe it might help the OP anyways!!

[06redram]

I will try that on my truck across the broad in see if it is any different them my setting. My that will help me some also

[DieselMafialb7]

Going to log truck now guys ill report back asap

[2007 5.9]

Been 20min....

[DieselMafialb7]

Yea the owner is late still waiting on him ]:/

[FUBAR]

Yawn......

[DieselMafialb7]

Just got done logging still at 7* trying to load log

[DieselMafialb7]

Heres the log not sure if logged what you guys were wanting

[DieselMafialb7]

Anyone.....

[2007 5.9]

Im looking right now...much data still needed...whats your email? Ill email you a list of the PIDS to log...

[kaiserbailey]

It hit 140 mm3. That is what you have it limited to in the boost referenced fuel limiter.

Timing I still haven't figured out.

[2007 5.9]

So with the limited data in the log..its following the tune as its designed....at your highest 7.1*...I am reading it as top of second gear around ~3100rpms at 99mm3...which in the tune you posted is consistent with the timing map.

[kaiserbailey]

How does this truck perform while driving fairly aggressively, compared to say a smarty tuned truck? Is there much to be desired, or satisfactory?

[DieselMafialb7]

It hit 140 mm3. That is what you have it limited to in the boost referenced fuel limiter.

Timing I still haven't figured out.

Ya i got mm worked out still cant get timing though pissing me off and shooting a pm

[kaiserbailey]

So with the limited data in the log..its following the tune as its designed....at your highest 7.1*...I am reading it as top of second gear around ~3100rpms at 99mm3...which in the tune you posted is consistent with the timing map.

Les, how did you figure out RPM? I was able to log speed, but not knowing the gearing....

[DieselMafialb7]

How does this truck perform while driving fairly aggressively, compared to say a smarty tuned truck? Is there much to be desired, or satisfactory?

Smarty would rape it...

[DieselMafialb7]

So what's holding the mm back it should be 140? It hit 140 in the log?

[2007 5.9]

Les, how did you figure out RPM? I was able to log speed, but not knowing the gearing....


With using just sheer seat time looking at logs and looking at his trans shift RPM set points...I deduced that it was around 3000-3200 rpm...then looked at the tune and noticed that timing is in relative approximation to the tune in the log.

[kaiserbailey]

Yea, there was one frame that I saw 140. Look under fuel limiters, its the boost referenced limiter F0502.

[2007 5.9]

You have mail....

[DieselMafialb7]

thanks les ill log with those pids and post up in the am

[DieselMafialb7]

Yea, there was one frame that I saw 140. Look under fuel limiters, its the boost referenced limiter F0502.

ya its maxed....

[kaiserbailey]

ya its maxed....

Not on the tune you posted....

[DieselMafialb7]

Not on the tune you posted....

It is now sorry i maxed out the table like les said and im still fighting it i just looked at the log again something is pulling the mm back hence the timing back

[DieselMafialb7]

Heres the log with the pids you wanted les getting ready to try your tune in a min

[DieselMafialb7]

also heres the tune in it at this moment

[2007 5.9]

I'm at work now...can't look at the logs till tonight.

[DieselMafialb7]

k sounds good im going to try your tune see if it still does this if it does ill throw mine back in as hes heading out for two days so ill post back with your tunes log thanks again

[DieselMafialb7]

heres a log with the other tune mm is only going to 118 max but held around 100mm still but timing is up to 15* truck ran a little better still should be more i think for the pw i had anyways not sure what you have stuff at les so it could be running perfect just dont know let me know what you think

[2007 5.9]

So something is up...without looking at the logs, I KNOW that tune fuels to 160mm3 and timing in the 20's...on a BONE STOCK truck!!! Many of them in fact!!!

[DieselMafialb7]

So something is up...without looking at the logs, I KNOW that tune fuels to 160mm3 and timing in the 20's...on a BONE STOCK truck!!! Many of them in fact!!!

hmmm i figured as much well should i have the owner take it in and have it flashed stock so we know were good there?

[2007 5.9]

Yes, dealer flash is excellent idea, so we KNOW of a fresh canvas to work on.

[DieselMafialb7]

Id did flash a know stock flash file from andrew but ill have him go to the dealer mayne the logs will show something for you still

[2007 5.9]

Yes I'll compare your log to one of mine I have from a known working truck log.

[DieselMafialb7]

Yes I'll compare your log to one of mine I have from a known working truck log.

Awesome thanks man i appreciate it also thanks to everyone else who is helping

[FUBAR]

Just speculation...but even though the file I sent you I 100% know it's from the dealer (because I was there when they flashed it to my truck,) it's rumored that in the process they use to erase and and flash is more so...thorough I guess you could say. Only speculation because I have no facts other than myself and others that have had problems, and tried flashing a true stock tune, doesn't actually cure the problems till the dealer flashes it. Then as Les stated, you have a fresh canvas to work with.

[DieselMafialb7]

Just speculation...but even though the file I sent you I 100% know it's from the dealer (because I was there when they flashed it to my truck,) it's rumored that in the process they use to erase and and flash is more so...thorough I guess you could say. Only speculation because I have no facts other than myself and others that have had problems, and tried flashing a true stock tune, doesn't actually cure the problems till the dealer flashes it. Then as Les stated, you have a fresh canvas to work with.

Yes i talked to the owner that is our current plan and dodge will be flashing it but cant till Tuesday or Wednesday damn oil fields are packed lol

[DieselMafialb7]

les you get a chance and look at the log

[2007 5.9]

No sir...still at shop prepping for the pulls tomorrow. Laptop is at home...

[DieselMafialb7]

No sir...still at shop prepping for the pulls tomorrow. Laptop is at home...

lol sounds good bud, goodluck at the pulls tomorrrow! if i werent working id be pulling tomorrow to :(

[2007 5.9]

So after looking at the log..i am stumped. I think a fresh file from the dealer is needed...even with my file which has made over 145mm3 on ALL the trucks Ive tested on...your is still stuck in the low100's...something in the ECM is limiting you.

[DieselMafialb7]

So after looking at the log..i am stumped. I think a fresh file from the dealer is needed...even with my file which has made over 145mm3 on ALL the trucks Ive tested on...your is still stuck in the low100's...something in the ECM is limiting you.

Ya ive never had an issues till this truck

[DieselMafialb7]

Little update owner missed the appointment so itll be this next Wednesday now ill post up again soon as i get to retune with a fresh file

[DieselMafialb7]

Well got a reflash done read fresh ecm file buiot the tune flashed it in and.....still doesn't go to commanded mm its still being limited wtf? It goes to 136 when i mash it soon as its bout to shift goes to 90-98 and stays there till i get out of it same thing the logs i posted before is happening???? Im out of ideas other then giving them there damn money back truck gets great mpgs just will not run worth a f***

[FUBAR]

The only last viable option is to have a OS / VIN custom 'built' for the truck. There was someone else (can't recall who) that the fresh dealer flash didn't work either. So they (he actually worked at a dealership of IIRC) had their guy who builds custom OS / VIN's make one and it worked. Maybe that guy will see this and chime in or someone will know what I'm talking about.

[2007 5.9]

Send me your stock OS and Ill build you a tune...and see if its the tune or the truck still.

Send a list of your mods as well...so I can build it accordingly.

[DieselMafialb7]

Send me your stock OS and Ill build you a tune...and see if its the tune or the truck still.

Send a list of your mods as well...so I can build it accordingly.

Sent you a email lastnight to the one in your sig you get it?

[DieselMafialb7]

heres a log of another tune did the same thing no power its being limited again

[2007 5.9]

I emailed you back just a moment ago...files didnt come through as attachments.

[DieselMafialb7]

you have mail again

[2007 5.9]

Tag...your it.

[DieselMafialb7]

and the owner is nowhere to be seen sigh drives me crazy....i'll log and post it up tonight or in the am

[2007 5.9]

Fingers crossed

[DieselMafialb7]

Fingers crossed

yes for sure

[kaiserbailey]

Haha Good luck.

[DieselMafialb7]

Well the owner decided to take a road trip for a few days i was like wtf? Bitch about the issues then leave so i cant work on it drives me crazy..

[DieselMafialb7]

WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

think its fixed heres a log from a tune les sent he'll have to say if it worked properly but it ran much better this time

[06redram]

What was the problem in the file ( tune )?

[DieselMafialb7]

not sure yet im waiting for les to see what he thinks from the log

[06redram]

That would be great to find out! Was that the same OS that u was originally working or a different OS

[DieselMafialb7]

yes same os

[06redram]

I like too to what was holding it back

[AH64ID]

It looks like it's getting full fuel, but why won't load go above mid 60's? Are you commanding more than 2900us, and that's a ECM limit?

It always makes me cringe to watch someone romp on it before the motor is up to operating temp!

[DieselMafialb7]

It looks like it's getting full fuel, but why won't load go above mid 60's? Are you commanding more than 2900us, and that's a ECM limit?

It always makes me cringe to watch someone romp on it before the motor is up to operating temp!

the tune is les's so have wait for his input

[FUBAR]

It looks like it's getting full fuel, but why won't load go above mid 60's?

I've never seen what would (or I would) think to be a correct correlation between load % to conditions of the engine.

[kaiserbailey]

How is load measured/calculated?

[2007 5.9]

What was the problem in the file ( tune )?

I glanced at his tune and after seeing a lot different from how my tunes run...I decided to not tweak it, and I just built a fresh tune based on his OS.


not sure yet im waiting for les to see what he thinks from the log

Looking at the log..the truck performed EXACTLY how I commanded it to run.


It looks like it's getting full fuel, but why won't load go above mid 60's? Are you commanding more than 2900us, and that's a ECM limit?

No..I was only asking for 2900uS...it gave everything I asked it to.


How is load measured/calculated?

ECM calculated through some algorithm..im sure. Its not a REAL number...Commanded mm3 is the ONLY value that matters when tuning.

[2007 5.9]

Are you commanding more than 2900us, and that's a ECM limit?


If the pulse limiters havent been removed/modified...youll hit a limit of 28-2900uS...in any tune. Youll see a spike to over 3000uS..but it will get pulled down to high 2000's...

[DieselMafialb7]

So what was it i was doing wrong? And whats different from the tune you sent before that also didnt work?

[2007 5.9]

So what was it i was doing wrong? And whats different from the tune you sent before that also didnt work?

I dont know...as I somehow deleted the first tune I sent you...

I am just glad it works...and now you know its not the truck that has a issue.

[DieselMafialb7]

I dont know...as I somehow deleted the first tune I sent you...

I am just glad it works...and now you know its not the truck that has a issue.

I am too im just curious as to what exactly im doing wrong???? Also you have mail

[2007 5.9]

Looks like I swapped out some of your tables with mine on the first one...and the new one was a complete tune from bottom to top.

So in reality I cant say what it was...as nothing is similar between yours and my tunes.

[DieselMafialb7]

Looks like I swapped out some of your tables with mine on the first one...and the new one was a complete tune from bottom to top.

So in reality I cant say what it was...as nothing is similar between yours and my tunes.

first one is also before dealer reflashed to so maybe it still had something to do with it there

could you email me and tell were/what im doing so i can learn also need to adjust the ttva table as it shuttle shifts for some reason so i need to up the values

[DieselMafialb7]

Big shout out to les at silver bullet tuning hes been a huge and instermental help in this endevor! also thanks to everyone else who pitched in and helping me learn to better myself and tuning

[slipclutchms]

Just for learning sake, I looked thru the most recent log file posted up and I was wondering at frame 198 to 200 I see that we are at about 3000 rpms 2900us main duration and 0us pilot. Pilot was shut off at around 2600 rpms earlier in the log. However at frame 199 pilot turns back on to 224us at 3152 rpms. Is that because of a ECT table?

Dylan

[2007 5.9]

Pilot came back on at that rpm due to mm3 dropping below a determined amount which triggered pilot.

[slipclutchms]

ahh. Got it. but dosent it still need to drop below 2600rpm to become active? clearly not but couldnt the truck be at say 40mm3 and 3400 rpm? so pilot follows the fuel command over rpm?

Thanks!

[2007 5.9]

Depends on how the pilot table is setup...mine is setup to shut off over xxxmm3@xxxxrpm and if it drops below EITHER rpm or mm3, the pilot becomes active again.

[DieselMafialb7]

Depends on how the pilot table is setup...mine is setup to shut off over xxxmm3@xxxxrpm and if it drops below EITHER rpm or mm3, the pilot becomes active again.

I seen that what are you using for refernce on that? did you get the email with screen shots i sent you?

[2007 5.9]

Yeah I got them, just haven't had time to respond..

For reference...lots and lots of testing. Testing on the street, dyno...etc

If it shuts off too low in rpm you'll get white smoke and rattle...and I know on the dyno that removing it when I do, does not loose hp.

[DieselMafialb7]

Ahh i c ok great info les! Thanks

[DieselMafialb7]

So digging this back up as I couldn't get a answer on why my tune wouldn't work and the customer wants a different tune so again id be nice if someone could tell me why it wont work?