dlandsvZ28
August 12th, 2012, 03:18 AM
I am back with essentially the same issue I had when originally purchased V1 to tune my 1998 Z28 Camaro.
http://forum.efilive.com/search.php?searchid=642678
The dumb question is:
"Leave key off until countdown completes"
This message displays after I try to make a read and after about 10 attempts are made trying to make a connection, I get the 'can't load bootloader" and then the message displays.
This is what I understand about the steps to make a read.
Plug in the device inside the car after making sure the USB cable is attached to my laptop (IBM T61 with Windows7 - 32 bit).
Turn the ignition key to on but do not start the car.
Click on "Read PCM Calibration"
After next screen displays "unclick high speed"
Check status - this part is successful. It returns all correct information about my car - vin, etc.
The program than goes through the process of trying to read the pcm.
It fails with the bootloader issue - same as back in 2005 - see link above.
The message above appears which has me confused.
So my dumb question is this?
If the key is on when you start the read, then where in the steps do you turn the key off?
If the read is successful, you leave the key on until the read complete, turn the key off, then wait for the countdown.
But if the read is unsuccessful, as it is for me, when do I turn the key off? The message states to leave the key off until the count down completes.
Because the read is unsuccessful, the car won't start. So I have been following the steps which are:
1. Turn key on but don't start car.
2. Pull PCM BAT and PCM IGN fuses in engine compartment.
3. Wait a few minutes.
4. Turn ignition off.
5. Replace fuses.
After following the steps above my car starts.
Now for some history - 2005.
I never could get my original laptop (Toshiba - new and spec'd for the time frame) to make a successful read or flash. I finally gave up for two years (2005- 2007) because no one could help to resolve the problem of not being able to read my PCM - even though I could successfully use the scanner and make logs, or haul my workstation out to the garage and hook it up and 'believe it not not - make a succesul read". What hazzle and pain to do.
A person with HP tuners said that he had heard about a similar issue with another EFI live user and that the issue was to reinstall whichever was the current net framework on the laptop.
So we did that and I was shocked and stunned. After the repair and install of net framework I was finally after nearly 3 years (2005 2008) able to use my Toshiba to read and flash my pcm.
Fast forward to 2009.
I gave the Toshiba away and bought a reconditioned IBM T42. I installed all of the current EFI live versions and updates and right out of the gate I was once again able to read and flash my pcm. No problems at all with the T42 other than reads had to done at slow speed.
Fast forward to current 2012.
I gave the t42 away and now have a new (when I purchased it) IBM T61 with Windows 7. I did a fresh install of the latest version of EFI Live V7.8 and V8.
But unfortunately, I am right back to exactly the same message and error I got with the Toshiba back in 2005.
Same bootloader error message, same funky message "leave the key off until the countdown completes" and then I have to pull fuses to get the car to start.
Has anybody ever followed the issue with the net framework? I can't find a thing about net framework here on EFI live.
BTW - I did find a readme on my pc. When I opened it, it said that net framework 2.0 had to be installed in order for whatever folder I was in (EFI live subfolder) to work . That makes sense if the application refers back to code in net framework 2.0.
I have done some programming - Visual Basic 6.
When you install an application, if a certain version of net framework is required, by default you are forced to install it. And if it isn't, well, your application won't work same as if a DLL is corrupted or has been renamed or overwritten with a later version. I think it was called "dll hell" which btw the the net framework versions were supposed to eliminate.
I doubt it is my cable - it has been stored in a protected box since I got it. Paul sent me a new cable in 2005. It didn't work either - well it actually did - but it had nothing to do with either cable. It was software related. In fact, once the software issue is resolved, I think both of my cables will work.
I have uninstalled and resinstalled many times.
I even reinstalled a version I had saved back in 2007 thinking if it worked with the T42, it might work with the T61. It didn't, so unistalled and reinstalled V75. and V8.
Sorry about the long post. I sure would like to use EFI live. All I need to do is change the gear ratio with a new flash.
http://forum.efilive.com/search.php?searchid=642678
The dumb question is:
"Leave key off until countdown completes"
This message displays after I try to make a read and after about 10 attempts are made trying to make a connection, I get the 'can't load bootloader" and then the message displays.
This is what I understand about the steps to make a read.
Plug in the device inside the car after making sure the USB cable is attached to my laptop (IBM T61 with Windows7 - 32 bit).
Turn the ignition key to on but do not start the car.
Click on "Read PCM Calibration"
After next screen displays "unclick high speed"
Check status - this part is successful. It returns all correct information about my car - vin, etc.
The program than goes through the process of trying to read the pcm.
It fails with the bootloader issue - same as back in 2005 - see link above.
The message above appears which has me confused.
So my dumb question is this?
If the key is on when you start the read, then where in the steps do you turn the key off?
If the read is successful, you leave the key on until the read complete, turn the key off, then wait for the countdown.
But if the read is unsuccessful, as it is for me, when do I turn the key off? The message states to leave the key off until the count down completes.
Because the read is unsuccessful, the car won't start. So I have been following the steps which are:
1. Turn key on but don't start car.
2. Pull PCM BAT and PCM IGN fuses in engine compartment.
3. Wait a few minutes.
4. Turn ignition off.
5. Replace fuses.
After following the steps above my car starts.
Now for some history - 2005.
I never could get my original laptop (Toshiba - new and spec'd for the time frame) to make a successful read or flash. I finally gave up for two years (2005- 2007) because no one could help to resolve the problem of not being able to read my PCM - even though I could successfully use the scanner and make logs, or haul my workstation out to the garage and hook it up and 'believe it not not - make a succesul read". What hazzle and pain to do.
A person with HP tuners said that he had heard about a similar issue with another EFI live user and that the issue was to reinstall whichever was the current net framework on the laptop.
So we did that and I was shocked and stunned. After the repair and install of net framework I was finally after nearly 3 years (2005 2008) able to use my Toshiba to read and flash my pcm.
Fast forward to 2009.
I gave the Toshiba away and bought a reconditioned IBM T42. I installed all of the current EFI live versions and updates and right out of the gate I was once again able to read and flash my pcm. No problems at all with the T42 other than reads had to done at slow speed.
Fast forward to current 2012.
I gave the t42 away and now have a new (when I purchased it) IBM T61 with Windows 7. I did a fresh install of the latest version of EFI Live V7.8 and V8.
But unfortunately, I am right back to exactly the same message and error I got with the Toshiba back in 2005.
Same bootloader error message, same funky message "leave the key off until the countdown completes" and then I have to pull fuses to get the car to start.
Has anybody ever followed the issue with the net framework? I can't find a thing about net framework here on EFI live.
BTW - I did find a readme on my pc. When I opened it, it said that net framework 2.0 had to be installed in order for whatever folder I was in (EFI live subfolder) to work . That makes sense if the application refers back to code in net framework 2.0.
I have done some programming - Visual Basic 6.
When you install an application, if a certain version of net framework is required, by default you are forced to install it. And if it isn't, well, your application won't work same as if a DLL is corrupted or has been renamed or overwritten with a later version. I think it was called "dll hell" which btw the the net framework versions were supposed to eliminate.
I doubt it is my cable - it has been stored in a protected box since I got it. Paul sent me a new cable in 2005. It didn't work either - well it actually did - but it had nothing to do with either cable. It was software related. In fact, once the software issue is resolved, I think both of my cables will work.
I have uninstalled and resinstalled many times.
I even reinstalled a version I had saved back in 2007 thinking if it worked with the T42, it might work with the T61. It didn't, so unistalled and reinstalled V75. and V8.
Sorry about the long post. I sure would like to use EFI live. All I need to do is change the gear ratio with a new flash.