Engine starts and then stops straight away.

[BiggreenP]

Firstly I'd like to say hello as I am new here. You guys are doing great things here.

I have a car in the shop here that the guy brought to us as a none runner. He had a gen3 ecu in his hand and wanted it fitting to the car. So we have manufactured a wire harness using information found on various web sites. So as the title says the car will fire and stop straight away.

Before we built the harness I spoke to the customer and asked him about the ecu and the fact that I thought all the information pointed towards it being electronic throttle control, he assured me that the supplier had coded that out of the ecu.

When I scan with EFI live the errors reported are Crank learning and throttle controller out of sync.

The ecu has a green connector and a blue connector.

Any 1 able to point me in the right direction?

Thanks:wallbash:

[joeygc5]

Green and Blue connectors are for "drive by wire" Some controllers can work with "drive by cable". But I've always just used the correct harness and pcm for the throttle type. The engine can run with the crank relearn alarm, but the procedure is tedious and a pain. The throttle being used is a electronic driven, correct? If so it could be a wiring issue between the throttlebody, tac module, and pedal in the harness.

[BiggreenP]

Hi Joey, thanks for your reply.
No we are straight cable throttle as guy assured me that the ecu had been changed to be cable throttle. Is that possible to do even?

Thanks?

[GMPX]

It is possible to do, but without seeing the tune in the PCM there's no way to tell.

[5.7ute]

Anti theft has been disabled?

[BiggreenP]

Thanks for you reply guys.
It would seem to me that you are all pointing me towards looking at the ecu program.
Not sure about anti-theft again was told it was de activated. The guy was sold the ecu out of a race car ( supposedly).

Would the anti theft allow the engine to start then cut out straight away or would it not even let it crank?

Thanks guys.

[joeygc5]

Are you able to read the tun file in the pcm? If so you can post it (attach it in another message post) and we can try to see what is happening. When I've fought pcm's with the security function on, the vehicle will crank but not run.

[BiggreenP]

Yep, i think thats where I need to go next. Read the pcm and see what can be done.
I might get some time to do this in between dyno jobs over the next couple of days.
Keep your eyes out and i'll get back to you.
Thanks again

[SkinnyPedal]

I'd be insterested to see how you wired the wiring harness. If you are going green/blue and drive by cable did you verify that the pcm has the stepper motor controller in it? Did you wire for it? What about the TPS, you add that wiring?

[BiggreenP]

I'd be insterested to see how you wired the wiring harness. If you are going green/blue and drive by cable did you verify that the pcm has the stepper motor controller in it? Did you wire for it? What about the TPS, you add that wiring?

Hi, to be fair I had't checked to see if the pcm had the stepper motor driver in it as i'd been informed it was good to go.
I have this morning opened the pcm to see and it does have the motor driver in. So I then read the tune file.
After a bit of a look at the tune i could see that the thing was set up for a y body. In the options table it said that should have fly by wire. So i changed that to be a f body. (All the options read no).
Flashed the tune and turned the key.......brum she runs.

We had wired to be a standard cable operated throttle with a position sensor.

Please keep your eyes here as I will post some pics of the harness we made and the tune file for interest.
Any one see any issues with what I have done?

Thanks for all the input guys.

[BiggreenP]

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Here is a quick pic of the harness before we fitted it to the car.

[gold-nuggets]

hello, if you need any pcm for blue/red connectors let me know I have a spare refurbished one $200- posted.
if needed.

Thanks

[BiggreenP]

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Hers a couple of pics of the harness on the engine.