View Full Version : question on autove and decelorating
dbaxter_ss
April 5th, 2006, 10:51 AM
When logging coming home today I am seeing during decel or coasting the aft going to 19+ and BE map for 3200x30map is at 1.6.
I changed the filter to remove the decels, anyone think of reasons that would be a problem?
joecar
April 5th, 2006, 11:59 AM
It seems to me that in your filter you need to change the AND to OR.
Do you have DFCO enabled...?
dbaxter_ss
April 5th, 2006, 01:33 PM
step 5 in the autove tutorial says to have it enabled and set to 122c
5. Open calibration {B3313} "DFCO Temp Enable" Set it to 122 °C
my settings in the tune:
LABELS Selection
Parameters Value
{B3307} DFCO Re-Enable Timer 5.000000 Seconds
{B3308} DFCO M6 Enable Temp 50.000000 °C
{B3309} DFCO M6 RPM 900.000000 RPM
{B3310} DFCO M6 MAP 104.980469 kPa
{B3311} DFCO M6 TPS 8.007813 %
{B3312} DFCO M6 Speed 28.000000 MPH
{B3313} DFCO Temp Enable 121.992188 °C
{B3315} DFCO Vehicle Speed Hysteresis 2.000000 MPH
{B3317} DFCO Throttle Hysteresis 0.996094 %
{B3319} DFCO RPM Hysteresis 5.078125 RPM
{B3321} DFCO MAP Hysteresis 0.996094 kPa
Tordne
April 5th, 2006, 02:40 PM
Change B3308 to max temp as well, that is the DFCO M6 enable temp which looks like it is currently at 50.
Tordne
April 5th, 2006, 02:41 PM
Also if you want to filter out Decel try logging the Fuel Trim Cell # PID and then you can filter out FTC # 21 frames. FTC 21 = Decel ;)
SSpdDmon
April 5th, 2006, 03:58 PM
Also if you want to filter out Decel try logging the Fuel Trim Cell # PID and then you can filter out FTC # 21 frames. FTC 21 = Decel ;)
That's kinda what I do. I log FTC and tell it to exclude data cells where FTC > 19. That plus excluding data where TP% is changing more than 2% in 500ms usually gets me some nice numbers. One thing I want to try is to see what the IAT temp is the majority of the log and filter all data where IAT doesn't equal that number. I have a feeling this will also help keep numbers consistent.
caver
April 5th, 2006, 04:32 PM
The easiest is to disable dfco completely. As the values in the ve table are in part derived from temperature the iat makes a huge difference.
I make sure I keep it at a reasonable level the whole time I am logging and try and complete the tune in 1 go.
Otherwise you have to have to exclude ce3lls that show a huge difference from the last adjustment.
SSpdDmon
April 6th, 2006, 01:40 AM
The easiest is to disable dfco completely. As the values in the ve table are in part derived from temperature the iat makes a huge difference.
I make sure I keep it at a reasonable level the whole time I am logging and try and complete the tune in 1 go.
Otherwise you have to have to exclude ce3lls that show a huge difference from the last adjustment.
Even with DFCO disabled, you still will hit the decel FTCs. It will affect your numbers...
TAQuickness
April 6th, 2006, 02:53 AM
That's kinda what I do. I log FTC and tell it to exclude data cells where FTC > 19. That plus excluding data where TP% is changing more than 2% in 500ms usually gets me some nice numbers. One thing I want to try is to see what the IAT temp is the majority of the log and filter all data where IAT doesn't equal that number. I have a feeling this will also help keep numbers consistent.
That doesn't sound like it would work very well. In OLSD, you have FTC 20, 21, & 22. FTC>19 would exclude all data.
dbaxter_ss
April 6th, 2006, 03:26 AM
That doesn't sound like it would work very well. In OLSD, you have FTC 20, 21, & 22. FTC>19 would exclude all data.
Yup and thats what it does.
SSpdDmon
April 6th, 2006, 06:55 AM
That doesn't sound like it would work very well. In OLSD, you have FTC 20, 21, & 22. FTC>19 would exclude all data.
When you just want to tune cruise, which deceleration is a part of, then that's what you want to do. Even with DFCO "disabled," there are still some things the PCM does that is out of our control. If you exclude those fuel trim cells (even with DFCO disabled), you'll see what I mean when your numbers drop significantly in the 15kPa column. Change is also evident in the numbers reported back by the NBO2's and STFT's in closed loop.
Tuning WOT is just a different filter (exclude all data where TP% is less than 100%).
TAQuickness
April 6th, 2006, 07:59 AM
When you just want to tune cruise, which deceleration is a part of, then that's what you want to do. Even with DFCO "disabled," there are still some things the PCM does that is out of our control. If you exclude those fuel trim cells (even with DFCO disabled), you'll see what I mean when your numbers drop significantly in the 15kPa column. Change is also evident in the numbers reported back by the NBO2's and STFT's in closed loop.
Tuning WOT is just a different filter (exclude all data where TP% is less than 100%).
i suppose you are tuning in closed loop.
SSpdDmon
April 6th, 2006, 08:48 AM
Lately I have been in closed-loop tuning cruise only .
TAQuickness
April 6th, 2006, 09:02 AM
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