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BlackGMC
September 5th, 2013, 02:34 PM
i just saw this on Innovates website. I know most hate the LC1 but mine has worked flawlessly for years.

LC-2: Digital Wideband

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc2.php

I dunno if i like the serial out it does not look like the normal serial out connector like the LC1 has, which i love my taquickness cable!

bimbleuk
September 5th, 2013, 06:43 PM
Looks like my MTX-L but without the gauge. My MTX-L has been working perfectly with EFI Live for 8 months so far.

minytrker
September 6th, 2013, 09:54 AM
I got 2 of them today. Hooking them up right now to the dyno.

minytrker
September 6th, 2013, 11:19 AM
Serial Works!!!

joecar
September 6th, 2013, 04:30 PM
Serial Works!!!Two of them, daisy chained...? Cool :cheers:

minytrker
September 6th, 2013, 04:39 PM
Havent daisy chained them yet, but that is the idea. If I have time tomorrow will try it.

joecar
September 6th, 2013, 05:45 PM
(remember the SERIAL-IN terminator plug).

Chevy366
September 7th, 2013, 03:24 AM
i just saw this on Innovates website. I know most hate the LC1 but mine has worked flawlessly for years.

LC-2: Digital Wideband

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/lc2.php

I dunno if i like the serial out it does not look like the normal serial out connector like the LC1 has, which i love my taquickness cable!
Yeah got a Innovate email couple a weeks ago about the new LC2. Like you the LC1 has worked and is still working even after 6 years.

If my LC1 wasn't still working might be temped to try out the LC2.

minytrker
September 7th, 2013, 10:30 AM
(remember the SERIAL-IN terminator plug).

lc2 doesnt use one

joecar
September 7th, 2013, 01:28 PM
lc2 doesnt use oneOk, cool, that saves a lot of trouble :cheers:

bimbleuk
September 7th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Same as the MTX-L no serial terminator required.

ttls1
November 23rd, 2013, 04:11 PM
Serial Works!!!

Hi, Can you please let me know if you had to do anything special to get it working? The LC-1 works no probs but I cant get the LC-2 to connect. I have tried both in and out connectors with both straight through and null modem adaptors. Cant get it to work

MarkR8
January 12th, 2014, 11:34 PM
ttls1, I'm with you in that I can't get it to connect. No worries previously with the LC-1 but LC-2 doesn't connect. I used the same wires to connect from serial out to the RJ11 connector.
Someone care to walk me through settings etc that may have been changed on Flashscan or a pinout diagram for the serial out cable?

minytrker
January 13th, 2014, 07:55 AM
I didnt do anything special for the serial to work on either LC2. I was already using a LM2 and just hooked up my LC2 and started tuning.

MarkR8
January 13th, 2014, 08:34 AM
I didnt do anything special for the serial to work on either LC2. I was already using a LM2 and just hooked up my LC2 and started tuning.

Could you advise wire colors and locations for the RJ11 plug please?

ttls1
January 13th, 2014, 10:07 AM
Check the wire colours at the small square plugs. The blue and red were swapped on mine. I cut and re joined them so the colours matched up and it worked straight away. Not sure if this was a mistake at the factory or if its meant to be like that. I tried both null modem and straight through and nothing would work. As soon as i changed the wiring it worked straight away. It needs a null modem to work on mine though
.

MarkR8
January 13th, 2014, 10:43 AM
Check the wire colours at the small square plugs. The blue and red were swapped on mine. I cut and re joined them so the colours matched up and it worked straight away. Not sure if this was a mistake at the factory or if its meant to be like that. I tried both null modem and straight through and nothing would work. As soon as i changed the wiring it worked straight away. It needs a null modem to work on mine though
.

Having cut off and disposed of the DB9 plug makes it hard to back track.
Are you saying you out the blue wire in place of the red?
My LC-1 used black, white and red so I'll try replacing the red and blue.
Pain in the rear because there is no info on the serial out anywhere on the interwebs

ttls1
January 13th, 2014, 12:02 PM
Just make sure the colours of the wires are the same on both sides of the plug

joecar
January 13th, 2014, 12:37 PM
Those 2 colored wires mentioned above are which signals (I presume Tx and Rx)...?

MarkR8
January 21st, 2014, 09:01 PM
I have had a muck around with connection to V2 and still no joy.
I had different wires connected through the serial out connector but even when I corrected that, I still couldn't see the WB on my V2 :(

I have sent an email to Innovate a few days ago and still haven't received a response.

I was assuming I can connect it similarly to the LC-1 where I was connected straight from of the serial out connector and into V2 via RJ11 plug using pins 1,2 and 5.
Wires (3) - Red, Black and White were used on the LC-1. The LC-2 has four wires - Red, Black, White and Blue.

Can someone take a minute to tell me wire colors from LC-2 (not serial cable) and which pin number they connect to for RJ11 plug into V2?

Would be much appreciated. Configuration as per LC-1 - RJ11 pins 1(Black), 2(Red) and 5(White) - see attached pic do not work and I have tried varying the wires but still no luck and don't want to try and guess through it.16319

ttls1
January 21st, 2014, 09:11 PM
Hi Mark, unfortunately I am out at work for the next 2 weeks so if you haven't got it sorted by the time I get back home I will take some pics and let you know the pin outs.

MarkR8
January 21st, 2014, 09:19 PM
Hi Mark, unfortunately I am out at work for the next 2 weeks so if you haven't got it sorted by the time I get back home I will take some pics and let you know the pin outs.

I have looked all over the internet - Nothing
Somehow, I think I will be waiting for you to return home.

Stay safe and thanks

joecar
January 22nd, 2014, 09:43 AM
Using the serial cable that came with the LC-2, are you able to talk to the LC-2 using Innovate's application software (LogWorks/LMProgrammer)...?

MarkR8
January 22nd, 2014, 10:35 AM
Using the serial cable that came with the LC-2, are you able to talk to the LC-2 using Innovate's application software (LogWorks/LMProgrammer)...?

No I can't, I cut the DB9 serial plug off so I can connect it with that cable to the V2

joecar
January 22nd, 2014, 12:16 PM
The sanity test would be to see if LogWorks can communicate with the LC-2.


When you cut/spliced the cable, did you swap/reverse the Tx/Rx wires...?

MarkR8
January 22nd, 2014, 12:36 PM
The sanity test would be to see if LogWorks can communicate with the LC-2.


When you cut/spliced the cable, did you swap/reverse the Tx/Rx wires...?

I had dramas with log works before because of my 64bit os so I didn't worry before cutting the cable which I do now regret.

I have tried switching tx and rx to no avail suspecting tx and rx are the red and black in pins 1 and 2

darcy
January 22nd, 2014, 12:38 PM
Pin 1 = Rx
Pin 2 = Tx
Pin 3 = Gnd
Pin 4 = Gnd

I have my MTX-l hooked up, I can check out the colours tonight if you like.

MarkR8
January 22nd, 2014, 12:46 PM
Thanks Darcy, that would be great.
pin numbers you mentioned, are they for the RJ11 or the Innovate Serial out plug?
Colors would help.
I have been omitting the blue wire. I'd hazard a guess it needs to go to pin 5 of the RJ11 connector.

minytrker
January 22nd, 2014, 01:17 PM
My serial cable for LC2 has 3 wires, white, black, red. they are i the follow pins.
1.black
2.white
3.
4.
5.red
6.

I tried to take a picture but couldnt get a clear one.

MarkR8
January 22nd, 2014, 10:14 PM
Thanks for all your help men! I have solved the problem and hopefully this info will help future LC-2 users.

The wires from the LC-2 WB controller (4-pin plug) are as follows
* Black
* Blue
* Red
* White

I have now learned of 2 separate examples where the corresponding serial cable plug wires (although the same colors) do not match up when plugs are connected. Refer the controller side of the plug when terminating wires to the RJ11 connector.

The required colors and positions for the RJ11 connector are as follows:
1. Not connected
2. White
3. Not connected
4. Red
5. Black
6. Not connected

16321

As long as the connected wires on the RJ11 plug match the controller side of the serial cable connector this should work.
Thanks again to all those who took time to help.

Regards,

MarkR8

joecar
January 23rd, 2014, 07:55 AM
Ok, stickied and added to Cellected stuff thread.

ecir45
January 29th, 2014, 07:32 AM
Using the serial cable that came with the LC-2, are you able to talk to the LC-2 using Innovate's application software (LogWorks/LMProgrammer)...?

Is the Inovate Logworks software needed when connecting serial to the V2?


No I can't, I cut the DB9 serial plug off so I can connect it with that cable to the V2

Wouldn't this eliminate the option to update firmware if needed?

minytrker
January 29th, 2014, 05:03 PM
No you dont need innovate log works to hook up serial to V2.

ecir45
January 29th, 2014, 06:15 PM
Thanks, about to purchase one of these and jump into tuning.

ttls1
January 29th, 2014, 09:16 PM
The DB9 cable that comes with the LC-2 does not need to be modified. All I had to do was swap 2 wires on the LC-2 plug. Logworks still works fine. One thing I haven't confirmed is if the free air cal from the V2 actually works on the LC-2 or if it will need to be done in logworks. I know it definitely worked on the LC-1.

joecar
January 30th, 2014, 05:04 AM
Is the Inovate Logworks software needed when connecting serial to the V2?



Wouldn't this eliminate the option to update firmware if needed?No it is not needed...

but I use it as a sanity check to verify that the Innovate product is able to communicate and is not DOA.

joecar
January 30th, 2014, 05:05 AM
Free Air Cal should be able to be done form V2.

ecir45
February 10th, 2014, 08:59 AM
Received a LC-2. Decided to ohm out the unmolested cables with null modem.

Haven't hooked it up to test yet but this is how it laid out.

Note Black and Blue are common.

16378

Pic is a modified one that I found here.
http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?13582-order-question&p=121837&viewfull=1#post121837

Would like to try and find the 4 wire connector that Innovate uses to make up a custom length cable without a DB9 or null modem.

ecir45
February 12th, 2014, 04:17 AM
Plug had HRB written on it so did some searching.

Found P3025-2x2-B-H to be the part number.

http://www.hrb-dg.com/upload/1381732172.pdf

Chinese part that could only be bought in bulk so did some more searching. Came up with this.

Molex receptacle 43025 and 43030 terminal.

http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ps/PS-43045.pdf

Mouser has these. p# 43025-0400 receptacle and 43030-0012 terminal.

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=43025-0400virtualkey53810000virtualkey538-43025-0400

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=43030-0012virtualkey53810000virtualkey538-43030-0012

Looking to make a short wip to a RJ12 surface mount plug p# 32-2036 to mount next to OBDII port.

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=32-2036virtualkey60140000virtualkey601-32-2036

Then use a couple of these to make a custom length cable. p# 5-555042-3

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=5-555042-3virtualkey57100000virtualkey571-5550423

joecar
February 12th, 2014, 11:10 AM
( ah, sorry, I somehow missed your post of 2 days ago... if this happens then reply with a reminder, just like you did, thanks )


Good job on the parts research :cheers:

BTW: Mouser has good prices :cheers:

ecir45
February 12th, 2014, 04:34 PM
Thanks you, what you are doing here is above and beyond. Been using mouser for years with exceptional service. Besides the prices what I like the most is if you have a user account you can build BOMs and save projects for future reference. I have like four of so pages of BOMs for past and future projects.

ecir45
March 14th, 2014, 03:34 PM
Can now confirm parts list in my earlier post 39

http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?23169-LC-2-Digital-Wideband-anyone-try-it-out&p=202535&viewfull=1#post202535

16539

used an old usb cable for the short wip and a old phone headset cable for the cord.

joecar
March 17th, 2014, 11:00 AM
I like the coily :cheers:

joecar
April 9th, 2014, 02:50 AM
ecir45, do you have any Molex connectors left...?

ecir45
April 9th, 2014, 04:39 AM
Cant recall if I bought more than one, pretty sure I ordered more than I needed of the pins though. Will check later when I get home.

joecar
April 9th, 2014, 06:54 AM
Can now confirm parts list in my earlier post 39

http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?23169-LC-2-Digital-Wideband-anyone-try-it-out&p=202535&viewfull=1#post202535

16539

used an old usb cable for the short wip and a old phone headset cable for the cord.What is inside the box (just straight thru wiring...?)...?

ecir45
April 9th, 2014, 07:26 AM
found image on goggle of inside. The pigtail with the Molex connector is hard wired to the box. The coiled wire (4 conductor) is from an old telephone headset with new ends to match schematic.

http://www.computercablestore.com/Surface_Mount_Box_with_Sc_PID211.aspx

joecar
April 9th, 2014, 07:51 AM
In V2, when you daisy chain two LC-2's, what are the wideband id numbers (0 and 1, I presume)...?

joecar
April 9th, 2014, 07:51 AM
found image on goggle of inside. The pigtail with the Molex connector is hard wired to the box. The coiled wire (4 conductor) is from an old telephone headset with new ends to match schematic.

http://www.computercablestore.com/Surface_Mount_Box_with_Sc_PID211.aspxAh, I see, straight thru, thanks.

ecir45
April 9th, 2014, 11:59 AM
In V2, when you daisy chain two LC-2's, what are the wideband id numbers (0 and 1, I presume)...?

Not sure if this was directed at me, I am only using one wideband. If I recall when I installed mine there was a option for both or one, I chose one.

ecir45
April 9th, 2014, 12:14 PM
ecir45, do you have any Molex connectors left...?


Cant recall if I bought more than one, pretty sure I ordered more than I needed of the pins though. Will check later when I get home.

Checked I had only ordered one.

You're in Australia right?

I recall Newark Farnell is similar to Mouser and is a international company although it looks like Farnell is now element14.

http://au.element14.com/

Go back to my post with the part numbers and search there. It looks like they will have the parts needed and can be purchase in low quantity's. Did notice you would have to use part # 43030-0009 since 43030-0012 has a minimum qty purchase of 100. The only difference is wire size, actually after building mine this new part # would probably work better.

It looks like parts sold at element14 are of the same of mouser. If so most any connector or pins when working on harnesses like on our cars can be purchased form there. Some digging would be needed to find the right part #'s for the part you may need.

Tinbender59
June 6th, 2014, 12:03 PM
Newark or Element 14 part http://www.newark.com/molex/43020-0400/plug-socket-housing-plug-polyester/dp/01H6823

pins here http://www.newark.com/molex/43031-0003/contact-pin-24-20awg-crimp/dp/56H9417?MER=ACC_N_L5_Connectors_None

minytrker
August 4th, 2014, 01:05 AM
UPDATE: both LC-2's have already went out, one months ago and the second one about 2 weeks ago. The analog out went out one (for dyno) and the serial out went out on the other one.

Tinbender59
August 4th, 2014, 01:33 AM
Are you powering them up with the motor not running? That will burn them up!! ???

minytrker
August 4th, 2014, 02:38 PM
LOL, not the sensors....the actual wideband controller's both went out.

Tinbender59
August 4th, 2014, 02:52 PM
Shite dude!? Have you contacted mfg yet?? That is wild! Are you using an inverter to power your laptop?

joecar
August 4th, 2014, 05:06 PM
Innovate's quality has gone downhill in the last few years.

Tinbender59
August 5th, 2014, 10:22 AM
Innovate's quality has gone downhill in the last few years.

Dang-it Now ya tell me!! I have one, as it was recomended over the rest????

Also joecar; I have the data log working now, planning to come into the city drive around for an hour or so to get a good "spread" of hits, then drive home. All highway for 45 min. this should give me a good VE chart?? what would you suggest be my next move?? MAF calc ? or timing?

joecar
August 5th, 2014, 11:47 AM
If you're doing AutoVE then concentrate on this.

If you're doing Calc.VET then do both MAF correction and VE calculation (at the same time).

In either case, make sure throttle is operated prograssively/smoothly (no sudden jumps) and try to keep it steady, this will give you the most useable data (i.e. the transient filter will throw out less data).

minytrker
August 5th, 2014, 05:57 PM
Innovate's quality has gone downhill in the last few years.

I agree. I do have a lc-1, lm1, and lm2 that are all years old and work, both lc-2 not making it a year isnt a good sign. From what I have been reading online atlot of companies newest wideband isnt as good as their previous model. I have probably 10+ wide bands but the innovate ones are the only ones with serial out and its not practical to try to use an analog wideband dealing with ground offsets getting in and out of different vehicles all day.

joecar
August 6th, 2014, 09:48 AM
I have an older LC-1 that is still going strong (and it gets plenty of abuse underneath my car), and I have a newer LC-1 that keeps throwing errors.

joecar
August 6th, 2014, 09:50 AM
I agree, analog connection is not practical, serial connection is very convenient (quick to connect up) and is reliable (immune to ignition noise and analog offsets/drifts).

bimbleuk
August 6th, 2014, 10:14 PM
I've been using a single MTX-L for a coupe of years and once it was setup it ran fine for mapping via the serial connection. Now though it's sulking as I've bought another!

I can't program it or chain it but it still outputs lambda data (plus narrowband to the PCM) fine to the Flashscan V2. I've tried a new USB adapter and dug out an old PC with XP and a serial port but no go (new one on 1.3 firmware has no issues).

It's frustrating more than anything as the new gauge display is setup for (E10 which our fuel is changing to) and the old one is stuck on E5 which is slightly different on the gauge. It's also obvious they are on different firmwares as they boot differently and heat differently.

Not that Innovate will release any updates (for the MTX-L anyway it appears) or even respond to my questions!

bimbleuk
August 6th, 2014, 10:20 PM
Here they are like twins separated at birth and brought up speaking different languages .... just talk to each other damn it!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s257/bimbleuk/Mazda%20RX7%20V8%20-%20Build/Twin_MTXL_Installed_zpsda952d0e.jpg (http://s154.photobucket.com/user/bimbleuk/media/Mazda%20RX7%20V8%20-%20Build/Twin_MTXL_Installed_zpsda952d0e.jpg.html)

statesman
August 6th, 2014, 10:33 PM
Why would you want a gauge on your dash constantly telling you that your AFR is wrong? :laugh:

bimbleuk
August 6th, 2014, 11:23 PM
Why would you want a gauge on your dash constantly telling you that your AFR is wrong? :laugh:

That's why they are in the glove box so I don't obsess on them every time I drive the car! Looks good at car shows anyway :)

joecar
August 7th, 2014, 01:56 AM
Here they are like twins separated at birth and brought up speaking different languages .... just talk to each other damn it!

...

Do you have the SERIAL OUT of the first MTX connected to the SERIAL IN of the second MTX...?
Do you have the SERIAL IN of the first MTX terminated...?
Is the Tx/Rx crossover (null modem) between the second and FSV2...?

Which one of your MTX's is able to talk to FSV2...? What happens when you swap the MTX's...?

bimbleuk
August 7th, 2014, 05:21 AM
Yeah I've tried SERIAL OUT to SERIAL IN then SERIAL OUT to FS V2 SERIAL IN (Tx/Rx crossed). I get data from the new gauge but not from the old gauge. I've swapped the gauge order but no joy. Problem is the original gauge doesn't want to talk via the null modem cable anymore either. It did when I first bought it but I remember having to use an old Thinkpad with a physical comms port.

The cable joining the two gauges together is not an official one either. I cut the end off two programming cables (4 pin to 9 pin serial) and spliced the two 4 pin ends together. I tried the pins straight then just about every combination after that. Today I thought I'd order an official cable but the nearest supplier was in Greece (I'm in the UK) and they don't have in stock :(

Individually they will output to the Flashscan.

No terminators are mentioned or supplied as an accessory. As far as I'm aware the gauges are actively terminated (passive termination is quite old tech now) and one pin on the IN side is a "sense" pin to detect another device.

Innovate actually replied today after using the contact form again so I'll leave it to them to make suggestions.

Blue70SS
August 13th, 2014, 07:44 AM
I agree. I do have a lc-1, lm1, and lm2 that are all years old and work, both lc-2 not making it a year isnt a good sign. From what I have been reading online atlot of companies newest wideband isnt as good as their previous model. I have probably 10+ wide bands but the innovate ones are the only ones with serial out and its not practical to try to use an analog wideband dealing with ground offsets getting in and out of different vehicles all day.

So is the Innovate LC-2 the only one that has serial out, or are there other Innovate's that have serial out to avoid using the analog? I'm currently using Flashscan V2 with the version 7.5 scan and tune programs. Haven't tried 8.0 as it doesn't appear to have the bugs worked out yet. Basically I'm looking for a way to include my AFR for data logging at the track - hopefully with out making a custom cable if at all possible. I have a PLX on my dual pod gauges using analog, but don't want to do the wiring hack on it (besides.... the box is already in a super tight spot). So the best way is to use my other header which has a bung already available. Innovate LC-2 seemed like the solution, but wondering after reading this thread.

IF 2 LC-2's were able to hook up to the V2 via the serial, I'd go that way and remove the PLX since I also have 2 analog inputs available on by Aeroforce dual pod gauges and could run everything easier.

darcy
August 13th, 2014, 08:02 AM
MTX-L also has serial comms.

Tinbender59
August 13th, 2014, 12:16 PM
Mine is working I'll look into the pin outs for you
LC2!

bimbleuk
August 13th, 2014, 01:55 PM
Despite my original gauge (MTX-L) not talking to my laptop for setup, which I'm assuming is more to do with the early firmware being a bit flaky. It's been very reliable as a wideband gauge and sensor with serial out. The new gauge on 1.3 firmware has no problem with Windows 8 or using an emulated serial port via a dongle.

As soon as I had both gauges installed and running I noticed straight away I had an imbalance in my ITBs. They were fine at idle because I'd used a flow meter to setup them up and above a certain throttle angle again they equalised simply because of their size. However just as you lifted off idle one gauge would spike lean and then recover quickly as the RPM increased.

By adjusting the valley linkage by a very small amount on one side I was able to move the spike to the other bank and of course by backing up a fraction I could balance them. Now I'm talking such a small amount of movement it was barely noticeable yet on either gauge it was blatantly obvious. It appears I'd missed this on the narrow bands as they were reacting too slowly compared to the almost instant MTX-L gauges.

I may not even have noticed this driving most of the time on the narrows but it did clean up the fast idle emissions significantly as now both banks are working more evenly.

Tinbender59
August 18th, 2014, 02:42 PM
Thanks for all your help men! I have solved the problem and hopefully this info will help future LC-2 users.

The wires from the LC-2 WB controller (4-pin plug) are as follows
* Black
* Blue
* Red
* White

I have now learned of 2 separate examples where the corresponding serial cable plug wires (although the same colors) do not match up when plugs are connected. Refer the controller side of the plug when terminating wires to the RJ11 connector.

The required colors and positions for the RJ11 connector are as follows:
1. Not connected
2. White
3. Not connected
4. Red
5. Black
6. Not connected

16321

As long as the connected wires on the RJ11 plug match the controller side of the serial cable connector this should work.
Thanks again to all those who took time to help.

Regards,

MarkR8


Hum???? Mine is close but 4 is NC, 5 is RED, and 6 is BLACK I just rang them out!!! ????? the colors in the drawing are just for reference


SEE ALSO

https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?9340-serial-port-cable-that-goes-to-v2

Stelth
November 3rd, 2014, 09:10 PM
Hi Guys

I have installed a new LC-2 but i can't read anything through the V2,

I have read this whole thread 2 times and will go back and read it all again ,

The LC-2 comes with a serial cable that has a 9 pin female and the V2 comes with a serial cable with the same 9 pin female ,

I went to Jay car and bought a 9 pin male to male joiner but can not read any data .

Do i have to cut one of the cables and re configure because the male to male adapter swaps everything around ?

I have installed and calibrated the LC-2 unit correctly and it is showing a solid green light and i have also setup the V2 using V8 softwaer to read the serial when BBL

I am so confused ,

Any help would be appreciated .

cheers

John

ttls1
November 3rd, 2014, 09:46 PM
I had to swap a couple of wires on mine to get it to work. It may have worked had I used a "null modem" adapter.

Stelth
November 3rd, 2014, 11:34 PM
Ok i am starting to figure this out ,

Firstly i do not think the 9 pin male to male adapter i have is a null modem .

Secondly there is conflicting info on the correct RJ12 wiring between the 3 diagrams below

17646 and this 17647 and also this 17648

So is it correct to say that the Red wire from the LC-2 goes to #1 on the RJ12 plug , white from the LC-2 goes to #2 RJ12 and black+blue from the LC-2 goes to the #5 on the RJ12 plug ?

cheers

John

joecar
November 4th, 2014, 09:10 AM
In this picture the colors are not related to wire colors:

https://forum.efilive.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17648&d=1408419178
Molex connector pinout:
Pin 1 = Rx (white wire)(red cavity above)
Pin 2 = Tx (red wire)(yellow cavity above)
Pin 3 = Gnd
Pin 4 = Gnd

RJ12 jack is shown with an extra pin between blue and red.

joecar
November 4th, 2014, 09:18 AM
LC-2 red -> FSV2 RJ12 pin 5 (black)
LC-2 white -> FSV2 RJ12 pin 4 (red)
LC-2 black+blue -> FSV2 RJ12 pin 2 (white)


https://forum.efilive.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17647&d=1392063599https://forum.efilive.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17646&d=1390471992

Stelth
November 4th, 2014, 01:58 PM
Thanks Joecar

I will try and make up a Molex to RJ12 cable and not use all the 9 pin stuff

cheers

joecar
October 23rd, 2015, 04:50 AM
Cross-link: Logging-2-LC2s-in-series (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25994-Logging-2-LC2s-in-series)

vbhero
October 24th, 2015, 06:42 PM
Hey blokes,

I have purchased and installed the Innovate DLG-1 which uses an LC2 in the kit. I have it all up and running, displaying both banks AFR, and using the null modem option have the data displaying on my V2. I am connected to the Serial Out of the DLG-1.
BUT...

When I connect to Scan V7.5, it won't log the data.
I have the following PIDs selected
EXT.WO2AFR1
EXT.WO2AFR2
CALC.BEN1
CALC.BEN2
EXT.WO2ST1
EXT.WO2ST2

and variations of..
The state reports as Unknown, AFR as 10.00 and Lambda (when I try it) as 1.
The V2 seems to work just fine, and would appear to be logging it fine when I set up the BBX for it. What am I missing to make it work in the Scan program?

Thanks :)

joecar
October 26th, 2015, 03:26 AM
What V7 and V8 build versions are you at...?

What V2 firmware version...?

vbhero
October 27th, 2015, 09:55 AM
EFI Live Scan v7.5 (Build 282)

EFI Live Scan and Tune V 8.2.2 Build 276

V2 Firmware 2.07.82
V2 Boot block 2.07.07

I have done this also when I wad troubleshooting, and it made no difference


In V8 S&T goto Devices -> Logging and checkmark Automatically Select All External Digital Pids

and then Program this into your V2.

Thread tie in here: https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25835-Serial-Logging-with-Innovate-LC-2-DLG-1-and-MTX-D&p=223790#post223790

darcy
October 27th, 2015, 10:05 AM
I have the following PIDs selected
EXT.WO2AFR1
EXT.WO2AFR2
CALC.BEN1
CALC.BEN2
EXT.WO2ST1
EXT.WO2ST2


Do you have some pcm PIDs selected too?

vbhero
October 27th, 2015, 10:30 AM
Do you have some pcm PIDs selected too?

Yep. My complete PID list is as follows
SAE.TP
GM.DYNCYLAIR_DMA
CALC.AVWO2AFR <---- (This is a custom PID I made to average the output of the two WBo2 out of experimentation. This was added in after I noted the problems)
CALC.AVWO2BEN <---- (As above)
CALC.BEN1
CALC.BEN2
GM.AFR
SAE.ECT
SAE.RPM
EXT.WO2AFR1
EXT.WO2AFR2
GM.FTC
GM.IAC
SAE.SPARKADV
SAE.IAT
SAE.MAP
GM.KR
SAE.VSS

joecar
October 27th, 2015, 12:21 PM
EFI Live Scan v7.5 (Build 282)

EFI Live Scan and Tune V 8.2.2 Build 276

V2 Firmware 2.07.82
V2 Boot block 2.07.07



Ok, I think you have to update (there was a bug in an earlier version)...


download/install V7 and V8 from here: Sep-2015-EFILive-Public-Pre-Release (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25922-Sep-2015-EFILive-Public-Pre-Release)

and then update V2 firmware, do it like this:
Flash the latest bootblock/firmware into your V2:
- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- click Check Firmware,
- if the firmware needs updating you will see a button Update Firmware, click it,
- if the V2 BBx config files need updating you will see a button to update the files, click it (see Note below),
- click Ok to exit the firmware update dialog box.

If you had already configured V2 BBx, then click the button you see to update the V2 BBx config.

( copied from here: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch) )


if it still does not work, let me know.

vbhero
October 28th, 2015, 02:24 PM
Ok, I think you have to update (there was a bug in an earlier version)...


download/install V7 and V8 from here: Sep-2015-EFILive-Public-Pre-Release (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25922-Sep-2015-EFILive-Public-Pre-Release)

and then update V2 firmware, do it like this:
Flash the latest bootblock/firmware into your V2:
- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- click Check Firmware,
- if the firmware needs updating you will see a button Update Firmware, click it,
- if the V2 BBx config files need updating you will see a button to update the files, click it (see Note below),
- click Ok to exit the firmware update dialog box.

If you had already configured V2 BBx, then click the button you see to update the V2 BBx config.

( copied from here: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch) )


if it still does not work, let me know.

Thanks Joecar, that did the trick. One of the first things I did when this happened was hit the "check for update" but nothing came up. Obviously though being a pre-release it wouldn't :)

Again, thanks for the help bud that link had some good info too about "paste error correction" I was so used to "paste and multiply" that i hadn't even noticed it haha.

blackc5ls1
February 7th, 2016, 04:01 AM
hey guys, what about the the A/D inputs? i had my lc1 hooked up to them and worked for years.
now i have a lc2 and i know its outputting the correct voltage at the v2. but it doesnt show any voltage on the v2 or in v7.5?
is there a set up or something that im missing? or could my v2 be messed up?

joecar
February 8th, 2016, 04:13 AM
hey guys, what about the the A/D inputs? i had my lc1 hooked up to them and worked for years.
now i have a lc2 and i know its outputting the correct voltage at the v2. but it doesnt show any voltage on the v2 or in v7.5?
is there a set up or something that im missing? or could my v2 be messed up?Download and install tV7/V8 from here: https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?26174-December-2015-EFILive-Public-Stable-Release

and then do this:

and then update V2 firmware, do it like this:
Flash the latest bootblock/firmware into your V2:
- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- click Check Firmware,
- if the firmware needs updating you will see a button Update Firmware, click it,
- if the V2 BBx config files need updating you will see a button to update the files, click it (see Note below),
- click Ok to exit the firmware update dialog box.

If you had already configured V2 BBx, then click the button you see to update the V2 BBx config.

( copied from here: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch) )

blackc5ls1
February 8th, 2016, 12:39 PM
Download and install tV7/V8 from here: https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?26174-December-2015-EFILive-Public-Stable-Release

and then do this:

and then update V2 firmware, do it like this:
Flash the latest bootblock/firmware into your V2:
- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- click Check Firmware,
- if the firmware needs updating you will see a button Update Firmware, click it,
- if the V2 BBx config files need updating you will see a button to update the files, click it (see Note below),
- click Ok to exit the firmware update dialog box.

If you had already configured V2 BBx, then click the button you see to update the V2 BBx config.

( copied from here: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch) )


ok i did the above process. nothing has changed. i have never set up BBX. should i need to do that?
also i got the null modem today to connect my lc2 to the serial port with no luck there either.
im wondering if my v2 has a circuitry problem?

joecar
February 8th, 2016, 01:27 PM
ok i did the above process. nothing has changed. i have never set up BBX. should i need to do that?
also i got the null modem today to connect my lc2 to the serial port with no luck there either.
im wondering if my v2 has a circuitry problem?When you open up V8 S&T, does it indicate the firmware version in your V2, and does your V2 LCD light up...?

joecar
February 8th, 2016, 01:28 PM
Yes, try the rest of the setup procedure, if any step does not work then STOP and post here:


. . .

Note: if you have not yet configured V2 BBx config then continue:

Insert an SD card.

Configure BBx for your PCM or ECM/TCM:
- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- goto F6: Devices,
- set File System to SD Card,
- save to file Settings.dat,
- click Program,
- click Close,
- goto F5: BBX,
- click Format Config File System (accessed via downarrow next to Program button),
- goto Scan page (see Note below),
- in the blue pane delete pidlists for ECM's other than yours,
- in the blue pane you can add new pidlists for your ECM,
- each pidlist in the blue pane can have a number of pids as shown in the green pane (to which you can add pids from the yellow pane),
- at the bottom of the green pane is a bargraph showing pid usage, do not let this turn red (too many pids selected),
- goto Tune page,
- delete any ECM's other than yours,
- if not already present, add entries for your ECM type(s),
- goto DTC page,
- checkmark the DTC descriptions you want to see,
- save to file Options.txt,
- click Program All (accessed via downarrow next to Program button), wait for it to finish,
- click Close,
- goto F8:Tools,
- in the upper box, browse to your .tun files, and click Convert Now,
- click Close,
- exit V8 S&T.

Note: on the Scan page, the right-hand pane is yellow, the upper-left pane is blue, and the lower-left pane may be green or blue (depending on V8 build version).

blackc5ls1
February 9th, 2016, 02:27 AM
2.07.95 is what the firmware says. yes it lights up and works fine. i can still flash controllers and everything else.

joecar
February 9th, 2016, 05:09 AM
2.07.95 is what the firmware says. yes it lights up and works fine. i can still flash controllers and everything else.OK, then go ahead and finish setting up your BBx as shown in post #92.

blackc5ls1
February 12th, 2016, 03:33 AM
Sorry it's been a few days had to go out of town.
Ok I got the analog input on the v2 working.
I will try to finish your instructions on the BBx this weekend.
But the serial is still not working. And if I recall that's why I've always had my wide and on the analog channels
Because I don't think my serial input has ever worked since it was new:)
But thank you for the help!

joecar
February 12th, 2016, 05:16 AM
Serial checklist: are you using a null modem adapter, did you setup serial wideband in V2 setup, are you plugged into OBD2 port.

DrkPhx
March 18th, 2016, 12:16 PM
Bump for an old thread. Just looking for some help with hooking a LC-2 to my V2. I currently use a LM-1 with the serial cable, but I have a friend with a LC-2. If i use this adapter http://www.sfcable.com/30D1-C1-S.html do I still need to cross wires? If so, which wires? Also, do I have to change any settings in the BBX or V2? Thx

joecar
March 19th, 2016, 05:52 AM
Bump for an old thread. Just looking for some help with hooking a LC-2 to my V2. I currently use a LM-1 with the serial cable, but I have a friend with a LC-2. If i use this adapter http://www.sfcable.com/30D1-C1-S.html do I still need to cross wires? If so, which wires? Also, do I have to change any settings in the BBX or V2? ThxHi DrkPhx,

No, the null modem adapter already crosses the Rx/Tx wires, so you do not need to modify anything... simply join/connect the LC-2 serial cable to the FSV2 serial cable using the null modem adapter.

You have to configure FSV2 as follows:
- serial com port: wideband
- wideband type: Innovate

more info, see post #3: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch


(https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch)

joecar
March 19th, 2016, 05:53 AM
You can also configure FSV2 for wideband serial comms by going down the menu tree on the LCD.

DrkPhx
March 19th, 2016, 12:28 PM
Awesome! As usual.. thanks Joecar.