Cummins 6.7L Overhead Chime Public Beta software

[cindy@efilive]

UPDATED NOVEMBER 18, 2014

***Files now included in Oct 28, 2014 (or later) software release***

Ross has spent a lot of time working through the 6.7L overhead chime issue. We had hoped to have a permanent fix publicly released before we left for PRI, but unfortunately we have run out of time. All is not lost, below is link and instructions to a public beta for these features which has been extensively tested by our beta testers and a number of individual customers who have contacted me over the last few months.

To install these files, Customers MUST first update their V7 software, V8 software and firmware to our **REMOVED LINK**

NOTE: PRE-RELEASE SOFTWARE is ONLY available via manual download. PRE-RELEASE SOFTWARE (if available) is listed on our DOWNLOADS page BELOW Public Release software.

Before you install these files, you should know that these in this format MAY NOT become our permanent fix. There may be some slight changes between public beta and public release.

These files DO NOT cover all OS's but here is the list of OS's the fix can be used on.
11551035,
11620807,
11720809,
11551031,
11620604,
11620606,
11720604.

Extract the zip found ***REMOVED, files now included in Oct 28, 2014 (or later) software release***

Install the files over the top of your latest release software into the below folder.

32bit Windows
:\Program Files\EFILive\V7.5\Calibrations\CMC

64bit Windows
:\Program Files (x86)\EFILive\V7.5\Calibrations\CMC

There are changes to be made in a number of places, the first is B7500 - see dealer reminder timer. Extend this to 360. (Timer is now set to chime every 6 hours).

The second set of changes is under F2000.

Below is a picture of the new tables

http://download.efilive.com/Staff/GMPX/DTCListNew.png

It's hopefully self explanatory on how it works, just select 'Not Used' next to the DTC you want disabled. If you need to re-enable a DTC just select the correct P code from the drop down list.

DTC's have multiple instances, so make sure you catch them all.
If you want to quickly disable a DTC, just select the cell you want and press the letter 'n' on the keyboard rather than using the drop down list.
One thing I would like you to keep an eye out for is a mismatch of P codes, eg, instead of it showing this:

P125B "Power Enable Control Circuit High" P125B
It might show this
P125B "Power Enable Control Circuit High" P1096 << that would be wrong

Cheers
Cindy

[anarchydiesel]

Cindy, I think it needs to be added that this is not a sure fire fix for the overhead chime. We are still getting it on several trucks, but the timer and enhanced code tables help to minimize the issues. It is still likely that problem trucks will still have messages with this software.

[catman3126]

well guess i'm gonna need a little help getting this to work? so how do I go about installing this over the latest V7 update?

Yep ran the update a couple times I have the nov 7th and none of the tunes are showing the B7500 timer or the F2000 part either? I must be doing something wrong?

[Programmer]

Hey, I'll try anything at the moment--thanks for adding this ! I think you're very close to a permanent solution.

[CGASTON]

I know that this is wishful thinking...... But is this an update for 2013?

[GMPX]

As in 2013 models? No it isn't, we haven't got the 2011-2012 done yet.

[comnrailpwr]

I know that this is wishful thinking...... But is this an update for 2013?

2013 trucks are a whole different animal of an ECM I hear. Not good news.

[2007 5.9]

Sure you can pay Bully Dog some ridiculous amount of money to open the ECM up, but nobody has hex editing for it yet that's stable...Ryan tried, but don't think it went well.

While this update will kill the "See Dealer Reminder" dinging every 10-min it doesn't stop all the OHD chimes...so its a small victory.

[KhakiCummins]

Thanks for the great work guys. While this is just a small step forward, I am happy that as a user, I now have the ability to change this and not have to go through one of the beta testers. Not that they haven't been great about making the changes but it's just nice to not have to bug them for something some menial....

[GMPX]

2013 trucks are a whole different animal of an ECM I hear. Not good news.
Yeah, 2013 went to another ECM again.
2006-2007 use a CM849
2008-2010 use a CM2100
2011-2012 use a CM2200
2013+ use a CM2350
Really, a two year life span on ECM's? GM gas cars still use the same ECM from 2006 to 2014 models on some engines.....and they went broke!


While this update will kill the "See Dealer Reminder" dinging every 10-min it doesn't stop all the OHD chimes...so its a small victory.
We still get mixed feedback Les, some people we've sent this out to have an all clear on all fronts.

[2007 5.9]

I've had the F2000 since we got it in beta...most trucks are ok, but some still still show a catalyst full message.

We can look at it next year.

[catman3126]

Do we have to redownload the tune to see the B7500 table. after the update it shows me B7500 cannot be found?

[cindy@efilive]

Confirm you have an os supported by the files.

Parameters shouldn't go missing.
You shouldn't need to reopen the file, but we do recommend you build from scratch.

Cheers
Cindy

[catman3126]

its a 11620807 did the download and made sure and for some reason its not showing up? is there anything else I could be doing wrong?

[TorqueDieselLLC]

its a 11620807 did the download and made sure and for some reason its not showing up? is there anything else I could be doing wrong?

did you tell the pc to replace the cals in the folder or just add them to the folder?

[cindy@efilive]

I'd run the install again, and double check that it's going to the right place. If you are still having problems, email me the tune and I'll take a look

cindy at efilive dot com

cheers
Cindy

[ktm2006]

Under F2000, P0489 "egr control circuit low" is listed twice. Row #1 and 49. OS #11551035

[2007 5.9]

P0489 is listed several times in most OS. That code is a generic EGR code.

[GMPX]

Yeah, how it actually works (and this is what also makes it hard) is the ECM monitors items for failure, so in the case of the EGR Low, it might detect a short circuit on the wire or the output might have failed, two different problems but then the F2000 table is used to assign a failure to a P code. This is why you can end up with a number of instances of the same code and different items might cause a similar failure.
I've said to a few people that the programmers at GM/Delphi deserve a medal for how they designed the DTC reporting, Cummins and Bosch ECM's are pretty confusing for sure.

[Leo Pardo]

Hi. Where do you download the CSP5 beta for a diesel 2008 Dodge RAM 2500 with Cummins 6.7L ? Would the ECM have the same year 2008 as the truck ?

[cindy@efilive]

Hi. Where do you download the CSP5 beta for a diesel 2008 Dodge RAM 2500 with Cummins 6.7L ? Would the ECM have the same year 2008 as the truck ?

There is nothing publicly available for CSP for 6.7L vehicles

Cheers
Cindy

[catman3126]

I'd run the install again, and double check that it's going to the right place. If you are still having problems, email me the tune and I'll take a look

cindy at efilive dot com

cheers
Cindy

I will do that when i get home this evening I have ran the update 4 times. twice i saved the update to my desktop and then ran it andwice I clicked on the link to run it. so far no luck, I must be missiing something somewhere. I ahve tried all of my tunes that have the Supported OS and no luck.

[cindy@efilive]

When you save the download to your desktop, open it. Copy the files listed then navigate to

C:\ProgramFiles\EFILive\V7\Calibrations\CMC and then paste them.

You will need to over write the files already there.

Cheers
Cindy

[catman3126]

Ok I'll see what I can do. thanks.

[KDubya]

When you double click the cmc.zip file, that file will pop up in a different window with the files inside it.
You will see the files inside a new window, over to the left there will be a link inside the box in that window that says "Extract All Files".
Click that "Extract All Files" link, a dialogue box will pop up that asks you where you want to extract these files to.
Browse to C:\ProgramFiles\EFILive\V7\Calibrations\CMC and then click "OK".
At that point it will ask you if you want to replace the files already in the CMC folder, Click "Yes to All".

Clear as mud?

[catman3126]

when I goto open the file that I have saved on the desktop by clicking "HERE" it just automatically goes through the normal efi live update tried right clicking to open the file and that has no option for unzipping.

[killerbee]

2006-2007 use a CM849
2008-2010 use a CM2100
2011-2012 use a CM2200
2013+ use a CM2350


Should this read, 2007.5-2010 use a CM2100?

[dodgeram082500]

I thought all the 4th gens 2010-2012 ran the cm2200

[KhakiCummins]

when I goto open the file that I have saved on the desktop by clicking "HERE" it just automatically goes through the normal efi live update tried right clicking to open the file and that has no option for unzipping.

Is the file that you are trying to open called CMC.zip?

[catman3126]

Is the file that you are trying to open called CMC.zip?

Yep.

[GMPX]

Should this read, 2007.5-2010 use a CM2100?
Are you loosing sleep over it? :laugh:

I don't get the logic behind these car makers year model designations, how does a 2014 model car get released in May 2013 (2014 Impala), or is that the 2013.5 model? Given the range could be 2013.1 (January) or 2013.12 (December) lets just stop being silly and call it a 2013 until the calender ticks over to 2014. Isn't this a bit like saying you are 30 years old 6 months before your 30th birthday?

[anarchydiesel]

I thought all the 4th gens 2010-2012 ran the cm2200

Yes, all 4th gen body style 2010s are cm2200. the only 2010s that use the cm2100 were cab and chassis and were still the 3rd gen body style

[dodgeram082500]

Ah thanks I was confused how a cm2100 was working with the new dashes y'all had me ready for a swap

[GMPX]

Yes, all 4th gen body style 2010s are cm2200. the only 2010s that use the cm2100 were cab and chassis and were still the 3rd gen body style
Clearly I am no expert on what used models used what ECM :doh:

[KDubya]

It should not be going through an EFILive update. These files are just to add to the software to get the other options we need. There isn't any update in these files. When you open that file, you see the *.calz files in a window. If you right click out in the open area below the files, the option at the bottom of the sub menu is "Extract All". Click that and then browse to where the cmc files are per Cindy's instructions. You have to extract the files. You can't copy and paste them. At least it would not let me copy and paste them on my machine.


when I goto open the file that I have saved on the desktop by clicking "HERE" it just automatically goes through the normal efi live update tried right clicking to open the file and that has no option for unzipping.

[catman3126]

Hmmm yeah just tried it on a work computer and i see exactly what your talking about. on my laptop it just acts as if i just clicked a normal update to EFI Live. Have to mess with it some more tonight.

[cindy@efilive]

when I goto open the file that I have saved on the desktop by clicking "HERE" it just automatically goes through the normal efi live update tried right clicking to open the file and that has no option for unzipping.

I am going to suggest that you have downloaded the November 7 release and saved that to your desktop.

The zip file I posted is not in anyway tied to an EFILive installation. It's merely a zip file containing 7 calz files, so it's not possible to click on the zip and get an EFILive installation/update message.

Navigate through your folders to where ever you save your downloads and look for a folder called CMC. You may need to extract the zip, or it may have done it for you. In either case, copy and paste the 7 files into the directory listed above.

Cheers
Cindy

[cindy@efilive]

Hmmm yeah just tried it on a work computer and i see exactly what your talking about. on my laptop it just acts as if i just clicked a normal update to EFI Live. Have to mess with it some more tonight.

Beat me to it. I've responded to your email. I can see the chime parameters in your tune file

Cheers
Cindy

[cmcz450]

My dads 08 6.7 has the 11720809 OS(I think, either way it was one on the list). I flashed his truck the other day with p0489 disabled and the overhead message and 5 chimes were gone. It would just say see dealer for 3 seconds or so then show the temperature like it should. That last for about a week. Then went back to normal, 5 chimes, power reduced see dealer on the overhead. CEL has remained on the entire time. He noticed some loss in power, so I decided we would flash his truck again to see if that could be fixed. Fast forward to today, I get his truck flashed over with the same tune, this time the CEL disappears(which makes him tickled pink), but the overhead and 5 chimes did not change. Just thought I would report with some info and ask a question as well. Could he be potentially be seeing some power loss? He noticed when he was pulling his 6x10 trailer with an artic cat prowler up hill because his transmission downshifted twice(the hill isn't that steep to cause that). When he drove home tonight with the same prowler and trailer after the flash, it felt normal power again.

[Red07]

Any chance of getting a calibration file with this fix for a 11610805 OS? I am getting the chime but otherwise I really like my tune and the way the truck runs.

[2007 5.9]

In the most recent public software release...the "See Dealer Timer" is in there.

[Red07]

OK thanks. I thought I was updated but just looked and I am on the Nov. 7 version. I will update and try that.

[Red07]

I just downloaded the most current version (v7 build 246) and I cant see the see dealer timer anywhere. The only way I can find it is to download the cal files in this thread and of course only on those OS's.

[2007 5.9]

You looked under "ECM Options"?

[Red07]

Yes I did. Just has the same stuff it used to like speed limiter and such.

[2007 5.9]

You may have a rare OS that's not supported...send me your CAL and I'll check it vs my software.

Email in my sig

[Red07]

I can send you the one in question. Its from an 08 C&C but I am not seeing the see dealer timer in a couple OS's that are listed on the first post of this thread without downloading these beta cal files.

[comnrailpwr]

If you can see that the timer isn't in your file then that means your os is supported. Their isn't a public release with the timer that I know of. I think the CAL files must be downloaded to get the timer on the supported os.

[Red07]

Yea that's how I understood it too. I hoping EFI Live could add a Cal file for my OS in question so I wouldn't have to do an OS change to fix the chime.

[cindy@efilive]

6.7L cal files will all receive updates as part of the process to develop CSP. I don't have a time frame for development or release, but it is being worked on.

Cheers
Cindy

[anarchydiesel]

C&C OS's don't have the timer option in the .calz files, just the pickups.

[2007 5.9]

C&C OS's don't have the timer option in the .calz files, just the pickups.

Thats not totally true...this OS has the dealer reminder.

16345

And this is the public release software from November. V7.5 Build 245

[anarchydiesel]

I guess that all of the ones I typically use don't have the timer then. Ross must have stuck it in one or a couple and I have missed it.

[cindy@efilive]

In the most recent public software release...the "See Dealer Timer" is in there.

Actually the change are not in the main software installation, users need to download and install them from the first post in this thread.

Cheers
Cindy

[2007 5.9]

I stand corrected...I don't recall adding in the CALZ but there are times I've been wrong

[catman3126]

Any idea why even with the tunes I have had changed by a tuner that has access to the time still do it at about 40 minutes into the drive time?

[2007 5.9]

Did your tuner set the timer to the max?

[catman3126]

Did your tuner set the timer to the max?


Yep Les you did lol

[2007 5.9]

Lol..guess I didn't put 2+2 together

[Moonlight]

You guys herd of getting a DPF full message if they fuel the truck with it running? I have a guy that has gone away three times now with no problem then after fueling the truck drives it another 20+ miles then gets the message and from that point gets it every 20-40 miles. I just learned that he is not shutting the truck off while fueling but aside from that i can't see any reason we would be getting the message. No overhead message, no codes. Its an 09 truck. The last thing we tried was running an 08 OS but still happened. Any Idea? Thanks

[HVD Performance]

wish there was a fix for this. Got customer that is not happy with it. Tried several things to keep from happening.

[2007 5.9]

Efi forum under 6.7 tuning

[2007 5.9]

Efi forum under 6.7 tuning

[computerjlt]

I'm still having issues with this on one particular truck. the other truck it was cured with this update on build 246 of the tune tool.

the other truck will still ding about every 10 minutes.

anyone have any other ideas? this guy has changed his crank filter recently and it did it before and after that. no other sensor values seem out of whack.

this is on os 11551035 calibration 55350435BH Truck is an 2007.5 automatic

[Padendiesel]

I am still having this issue on a couple of trucks. Any new word on this? I have tried different OS, the beta fix, and frankly I am getting tired of the ass chewings... I am out of options on what to do and do not know what to tell these two customers. Both of these files attached are the tunes that I tried in one particular pain in the asses truck. PLEASE HELP if there is anyone with insight or a fresh set of eyes to look at it.

[BigTexas68]

I have a couple of customers that still get the overhead chime and I have tried different operating systems and nothing seems to work. The codes are turned off ,the timer and dpf soot level thresholds are maxed out. These guys went from a Smarty and H&S that didn't have this issue. They are more than pleased with the tuning except the annoying chime.

[Padendiesel]

I have a couple of customers that still get the overhead chime and I have tried different operating systems and nothing seems to work. The codes are turned off ,the timer and dpf soot level thresholds are maxed out. These guys went from a Smarty and H&S that didn't have this issue. They are more than pleased with the tuning except the annoying chime.

Yep exact same boat. I just gave the one his money back about an hr ago and lost the VIN License money in the deal just to keep from getting the ass chewing anymore. The calls were worse than a debt collector...

[GMPX]

I will be back working on this again shortly, there has been quite a number of things that pulled me away from Cummins over the last year or so, this problem is also hit and miss which makes it very annoying.

[computerjlt]

I will be back working on this again shortly, there has been quite a number of things that pulled me away from Cummins over the last year or so, this problem is also hit and miss which makes it very annoying.

Excelent!

Have you guys looked into pulling codes from other modules? I have a hunch that the BCM and or overhead module are storing something emissions related and waiting for some other non emissions related data packets from the can bus to go off

[cindy@efilive]

There are (at least) three issues that over time have all been lumped into one thread. Without adequate description of which issue each customer has, developing a solution is difficult. Likewise we've heard mixed reports that the parameters are working on certain trucks (but which condition did that truck originally have?) so we require that feedback too.

The issues in this thread appear to fall into 3 categories
1. Chime (at what intervals, can it be cleared?),
2. Overhead message (what message, when is the message displayed, are you able to reset this?)
3. Dash message (what message, when is the message displayed and are you able to reset this?)

If you have an issue, or if the issue you had as been cured by the zipped calibration files, can you please provide us feedback categorizing the issue, along with the details of the truck and any other information you may feel is relevant.

Cheers
Cindy


******NOTE*******
To use the parameters available in the first post of this thread, customers will need to install the latest software release from our website, and patch the zip file from the first post. These calibration files are NOT AVAILABLE in the public download, so if you have previously used these, then performed a full software installation, you will need to reinstall the zip file to regain access.

[Programmer]

If you've got a truck running the 11620501 calibration, use the 11620807 and properly edit as per the beta calz.

[Red07]

Cindy,

My particular issue is on a 2008 C&C and it has a chime and "Service Required See Dealer" overhead message. It happens every 10 minutes once I have been traveling down the road for about a half hour. It seems to self clear once you hit a button on the overhead display. After you hit the button and scroll to system messages it says system OK. My OS is 11610805 and cal is 61300434AM. This OS isn't included in the list at the beginning of this thread so that isn't an option for me. Anyhow this is the particular issue I am having if it helps.

[cindy@efilive]

Thank you to the 2 people that have responded.

Just an update to this thread. Adequate information from a wider selection of vehicles is needed to move these issues towards resolution. Without adequate information, these issues will not be addressed and we will once again move onto new/different projects. The impetus to return to this issue in the future will be greatly diminished once CSP for 6.7L is released.

Cheers
Cindy

[catman3126]

Cindy I will do anything I can help with I have a over a dozen 6.7's local to me that in sure I can have for a period of time to try anything or to help gain information to resolve this. Let me know what you need and how I can help.

[cindy@efilive]

Cindy I will do anything I can help with I have a over a dozen 6.7's local to me that in sure I can have for a period of time to try anything or to help gain information to resolve this. Let me know what you need and how I can help.

It's all documented in post #70, a couple of posts above yours

Cheers
Cindy

[Moonlight]

See Cindy's post from last week, the more info the better.
Cindy is aware of my issues but I will post here, i would like to know what others are seeing.
Trucks with os 11720809 all experiencing an alert after 20-40 miles out from a restart. see dealer message on overhead can reset and be fine until restart, one with dpf full message on dash at same time as overhead and power loss after message, two trucks with the overhead chime and no complaint of power loss. all trucks i am involved with seem to chime once then be fine until restart. Have one 11620604 with overhead chime, same deal around 30 miles after a restart.
Thanks for looking for a solution to this issue. have tried running different os that i have trucks running fine with but still have the issue.


Cindy I will do anything I can help with I have a over a dozen 6.7's local to me that in sure I can have for a period of time to try anything or to help gain information to resolve this. Let me know what you need and how I can help.

[catman3126]

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This is the other thing I have noticed there is a lot of parameters that were no disabled In my original tunes that I had another member set the dealer reminder to 360 this page in the tune was not mentioned but it looks to me that these parameters need to be disabled also?

[catman3126]

Oh and one more thing when I open the tune that the dealer reminder is set to the 360 even after saved it still has the blue due to being out of range. set it to 359 ad save and they are gone. does it still work (I'm guessing so) when set to the max or out of range?

[cl733]

Thank you to the 2 people that have responded.

Just an update to this thread. Adequate information from a wider selection of vehicles is needed to move these issues towards resolution. Without adequate information, these issues will not be addressed and we will once again move onto new/different projects. The impetus to return to this issue in the future will be greatly diminished once CSP for 6.7L is released.

Cheers
Cindy

I too have an 08 , it would be covered under the operating systems mentioned earlier, with the patch file. I updated my ecm about a month ago with a stock deleted file, no fueling changes just some deletes, it has been running perfect , as I just use the truck on short little drives . When I take the truck out on longer drives on the highway, it takes around twenty minutes for a DPF FULL to show up on the dash , and see dealer for service in the over head, and a chime, it chimes every ten minutes as long as im driving, I can clear the see dealer for service from the over head and it comes back every ten minutes after, funny thing is and its happened on every drive on the return trip home is that nothing happens at all no DPF FULL no chimes and no over head notice, I cant get into my stock deleted file as I had it deleted by a vendor and the file is locked, so editing it isn't an option, don't feel im qualified to write my own stock deleted file either so im not entertaining the idea of trying either, until I learn a lot more
Just wanted to post my finding to add to the data base, I have the chime and then I don't go figure that one out

[cindy@efilive]

First post has been updated to make files posted in November 2013 compatible with September 2014 pre-release software.

There has been no change to functionality or operating systems covered.

Cheers
Cindy

[30 RUM]

Hey Cindy,

Did you receive my PM in regards to this subject. Three of the 6.7's that I have had the dinning issue with, seems to be related to using the cruse control for 20-30 minutes time. You get a set of dings, and the overhead says perform service. I have extended all of the timers to the max. Now when driving back roads, or if you are on the gas and off a lot the overhead never goes off. If you need any more info just let me know.

Thanks

Sam

[cindy@efilive]

Yes I have it. Our developers have the chime prioritized. Don't have a time frame yet.

Cheers
Cindy

[Mitco39]

Cindy,

Any luck with the chime? I have a few customers patiently waiting for a fix.

Thanks

Mitch

[cjowett]

I have OS 11551035 and it seems to have worked.

[cindy@efilive]

Ross hasn't returned to working on these yet.

Cheers
Cindy

[Mitco39]

Thanks for the update.

[cindy@efilive]

Chime parameters on all CSP compatible operating systems are available in the October 28 release. More details contained within our CSP and EDA announcement here https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?24832-CSP5-and-EDA-Public-Pre-Release-for-07-09-Cummins

First post has been edited to remove files. All customers should use files accessible via the Oct 28 release (or later)

Cheers
Cindy

[Programmer]

I've got a fleet of these trucks now with the 'chime' message. The only trucks that have no errors do not have the overhead display. I thought we had this fixed several months ago, but it seems like the qualifiers are this:
1. Steady state cruise
2. Exactly 10 minutes at cruise ( setting to 360 minutes has had no effect in solving the problem).
3. Have tried a multitude of combinations of code on/offs, none of which affect the overhead message (Service Required...see Dealer now)
4. Have reset everything with the dealer level scan tool, including the maintenance reminder that trips at 65000miles.
I'm running those latest updates as per messages here.

[Mitco39]

Who made the tunes, more parameters were added such a table B7500 to address these concerns.

[Programmer]

Who made the tunes, more parameters were added such a table B7500 to address these concerns.

B7500 has anti-theft, speed, etc...and the display counter.
Already know that.

[Mitco39]

B7500 is the "See Dealer Reminder Timer" which consequently is set at 10 minutes on a stock file. Its a single parameter not a series of them?

[Programmer]

ECM-->Options-->Parameters -- > There are 9 items there.

B7500 is the timer, yes. I've tested '360' as a value and that doesn't fix the chime or error message.

[Mitco39]

oh weird, I do know they added a bunch more switches to flip to make sure the truck is happy. I haven't had any issues since the update, at least none that have been brought to my attention.

[cindy@efilive]

To date we haven't had a truck fail the amended parameters, with the exception of one (which also has other issues and from memory is a transplant). Those customers who have had issues have resolved them by adequately checking their files. One tuner has 'fixed' at least 6 problem trucks tuned by others by simply checking and editing the tune files they were provided. You may also need to review the list of which files received the update.

I suggest you review your tune files, look for multiple instances of DTC's, check soot level counters and CCV resets. If all else fails you may need to employ the skills of a tuner that has mastered this. It's not easy, but the parameters are all there.

Cheers
Cindy

[Programmer]

To date we haven't had a truck fail the amended parameters, with the exception of one (which also has other issues and from memory is a transplant). Those customers who have had issues have resolved them by adequately checking their files. One tuner has 'fixed' at least 6 problem trucks tuned by others by simply checking and editing the tune files they were provided. You may also need to review the list of which files received the update.

I suggest you review your tune files, look for multiple instances of DTC's, check soot level counters and CCV resets. If all else fails you may need to employ the skills of a tuner that has mastered this. It's not easy, but the parameters are all there.

Cheers
Cindy

Ok...that's good to know. I'll keep plugging away at some different combinations. As long as your updates from versions from the October links are correct, I must
be missing something simple, or I'm working from something that is still wrong.

[GMPX]

Given both you and Mitch are in Canada you have full access to the required parameters.

[Mitco39]

If you want to send me a stock deleted tune I can take a look at it for you. :)

[Programmer]

If you want to send me a stock deleted tune I can take a look at it for you. :)

I'll build you one based on the random chime (might be 10 mins....can be up to an hour)...to have a look.

[Mitco39]

sure thing.

[Programmer]

sure thing.

Currently sets no codes, Chime every 10 minutes.
No exhaust sensors plugged in.
Sorry...soot levels on this one are stock...the file I'm using are set high.

[Mitco39]

Disable F1088 through F1138.

[Programmer]

There is no F1138 -- do you mean numerically (which are two items) or everything in between that listing ?

[Mitco39]

F1138 for me is right at the bottom. But yes try turning all those treatment parameters to disabled.

[Programmer]

Yes, I've tested with everything off from F1088 through the entire listing to F1138. The chime is still there 10 mins into a drive. I've backed up from that file to trying different combinations of them, etc...nothing has worked
on this truck. If you'll note the file I sent, it's got the 'minimum deletions in the treatment section' for a 'no code' and no derate, which works fine.
However -- and still has the chime and warning (, even though the value at B7500 to a 360 count.

[Programmer]

From a Mopar TSB....· “Service Required-See Dealer Now” - This indicates that the DPF regeneration is not functioning.

That's the key.

[longcummins]

DPF Soot Level 1,2,3,4 Thresholds are set way to low would be my guess.

[Programmer]

DPF Soot Level 1,2,3,4 Thresholds are set way to low would be my guess.

Re-read the prior notes in this thread. The file I posted had stock thresholds, the tested files have them set as maximum allows.

[longcummins]

Sorry i missed that was just trying to help. That wont happen again.

[dgdyno]

could you add this os 11710502 2007 cab& chasses 6.7 Dodge diesel over head chime timer

[cindy@efilive]

There are simply too many old OS's out there to provide support for them all in a reasonable time frame, so we took the decision to only provide updates on the most recent dealer updates.

The short term solution is to determine the most recent file for your vehicle and see if that is mapped for chime enhancements. Additionally all CSP operating systems provide that functionality.

Cheers
Cindy

[Programmer]

Sorry i missed that was just trying to help. That wont happen again.

No worries !

[Programmer]

To date we haven't had a truck fail the amended parameters, with the exception of one (which also has other issues and from memory is a transplant). Those customers who have had issues have resolved them by adequately checking their files. One tuner has 'fixed' at least 6 problem trucks tuned by others by simply checking and editing the tune files they were provided. You may also need to review the list of which files received the update.

I suggest you review your tune files, look for multiple instances of DTC's, check soot level counters and CCV resets. If all else fails you may need to employ the skills of a tuner that has mastered this. It's not easy, but the parameters are all there.

Cheers
Cindy

Thanks for the help, Cindy. I did sort it out today :thumb_yello:, and it's nothing related to what anyone else has publicly stated (or PM'd me with) here.

[Mitco39]

^ Thanks for sharing with the people that did take the time to try and help you and work out your issues. :nixweiss:

[Programmer]

^ Thanks for sharing with the people that did take the time to try and help you and work out your issues. :nixweiss:

I'll be testing on a few more trucks that we'd already done, and I'll let you know. I've already let the guy that pm'd me that
his ideas about the DTC list didn't work. Not that they're bad ideas...they just don't change the situation I'm in.

What I did kills the initial 'chime' that still shows up after a 10 minute drive, and 'may or maynot' chime again, depending on vehicle load.
I need to make sure it's not just a fluke, and that it's definitely repeatable.

I'd set it like you mentioned, and thanks for your help, but this truck still had the initial 10 minute chime
--no matter how the timer is set (10 mins or 360 mins), or if the aftertreatments are all shut off, or soot level's maxed.

[KDubya]

I'll be testing on a few more trucks that we'd already done, and I'll let you know. I've already let the guy that pm'd me that
his ideas about the DTC list didn't work. Not that they're bad ideas...they just don't change the situation I'm in.

What I did kills the initial 'chime' that still shows up after a 10 minute drive, and 'may or maynot' chime again, depending on vehicle load.
I need to make sure it's not just a fluke, and that it's definitely repeatable.

I'd set it like you mentioned, and thanks for your help, but this truck still had the initial 10 minute chime
--no matter how the timer is set (10 mins or 360 mins), or if the aftertreatments are all shut off, or soot level's maxed.

Those DTC's were provided to me directly from Cindy @EFILive. Thank you Cindy for the list. I have 3 different trucks tuned that are rid of the chime. I am almost certain that what LongCummins was referring to when he said "It won't happen again" meant he wouldn't offer you anymore help. The situation you're in has been seen before and overcome. Good luck to you.

[Programmer]

>>DPF Soot Level 1,2,3,4 Thresholds are set way to low would be my guess.<<

Was his comment...and that was the only help offered. Thx.

[longcummins]

Yea and your response showed your a$$. Enough said right.

[Programmer]

Yea and your response showed your a$$. Enough said right.

If you think it shows my butt, ok...I'll be careful to not respond to you in the future.

[30 RUM]

Hey Cindy,

I don't know if you have been getting any feed back with this issue anymore. I'm still having troubles with a few trucks setting the overhead chime. Running down the highway for 10-20min with light load (empty truck) and the cruse control on still seems to be activating the overhead chime. After the first initial chime it does not come back. This is with CSP5 and Standard files. By the way I am running the most updated software and firmware. Any suggestion are greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Sam

[Programmer]

Hey Cindy,

I don't know if you have been getting any feed back with this issue anymore. I'm still having troubles with a few trucks setting the overhead chime. Running down the highway for 10-20min with light load (empty truck) and the cruse control on still seems to be activating the overhead chime. After the first initial chime it does not come back. This is with CSP5 and Standard files. By the way I am running the most updated software and firmware. Any suggestion are greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Sam

I've PM'd you.

[cindy@efilive]

The only feedback we've had since Christmas has been in this thread

Cheers
Cindy

[30 RUM]

Big thanks to programmer, easy simple fix.

[DieselMafialb7]

What are you adjusting to kill the stupid chime? I've got one that's doing it now

[MobileProg]

shoot me a pm i think i can nuke it for you

[Programmer]

If he followed what I sent him, he'll be solved.

[RDP]

Programmer, would you tell me what your remedy is? I've got a couple customers that are steady complaining.

[Programmer]

PM me.

[dogden85]

I am having overhead chime issue on my truck and a customers. What is the fix at this time

[Programmer]

I am having overhead chime issue on my truck and a customers. What is the fix at this time

PM me, or email.

Lyndon
www.westersgarage.com

[Programmer]

Actually....I'll make this easier for everyone--and it doesn't tie up my time.

Set the ''Chime timer'' value to the same number of free trips to Hawaii you've had this year. Unless you've actually had a free trip to Hawaii this year, that
value would then be wrong to enter. We're also assuming you've got all your other values set right.

You'll have no more issues with the chime.

Lyndon
www.ecmprogrammer.com

[30 RUM]

So are you saying if I change the "Chime Timer" I get a free trip to Hawaii? Awesome sign me up. HA!! The free trips fixed 4 problem children of mine.

Thanks Again

Sam

[Programmer]

You're :welcome:

Also without EFILive's program...we'd all be stuck.

[Mitco39]

The timer was working well for me until this truck i'm sitting in right now. 6.7 Chimes instantly no matter what I do. I have tried different OS's, different settings that worked previously. Nothing. Not a single thing will make it go away.

Timer to 0 - Instant Chime
Timer to 360 - Instant Chime
EVERY SINGLE DTC TURNED OFF - Instant Chime
Every single Exhaust treatment parameter turned to disabled - Instant Chime
Soot Level thresholds set to 9.03 - Instant Chime
Soot Level thresholds set to 0 - Instant Chime

I thought this problem was done once and for all... ugh.


Anyone else having similar issues?

[Programmer]

The timer was working well for me until this truck i'm sitting in right now. 6.7 Chimes instantly no matter what I do. I have tried different OS's, different settings that worked previously. Nothing. Not a single thing will make it go away.

Timer to 0 - Instant Chime
Timer to 360 - Instant Chime
EVERY SINGLE DTC TURNED OFF - Instant Chime
Every single Exhaust treatment parameter turned to disabled - Instant Chime
Soot Level thresholds set to 9.03 - Instant Chime
Soot Level thresholds set to 0 - Instant Chime

I thought this problem was done once and for all... ugh.


Anyone else having similar issues?

Chime and message or just a chime ?

[Programmer]

Timer to "0"
Related DTC's should be off.
Treatment parameters to not used, and O2 module fitted to "NO"
DPF Soot thresholds at 255.

Haven't had one truck back since.
If you've got a chime that sets "Service Required" -- just reset your CVV with brake and pedal combination.

[Mitco39]

Chime and Message.

DPF soot thresholds? The max I can put is 9.03 (even tried 0 to see if that might do it). Other than that yes I have done all that. It says DPF plugged on the ovhd service now, power reduced bla bla. It doesnt reduce the power but that chime is instant when you start it, even after disconnecting the batts.

[Programmer]

Chime and Message.

DPF soot thresholds? The max I can put is 9.03 (even tried 0 to see if that might do it). Other than that yes I have done all that. It says DPF plugged on the ovhd service now, power reduced bla bla. It doesnt reduce the power but that chime is instant when you start it, even after disconnecting the batts.

Can you shoot me your file ?

lwester@telusplanet.net

[30 RUM]

I know it may be a long shot, what about disconnecting the batteries then touching the + and - together to delete the keep alive memory. I have seen some strange things with the Dmax's when one of the DPF pressure line gets clogged, even thou it shouldn't be monitored (on a deleted truck).

[30 RUM]

Hey Mitco39,

Did you ever figure out what was causing the problem? I just did one with the latest updates with no problems (well at least not yet, ha).

[Mitco39]

Tried disconnecting the batteries several times. Sorry for the slow replies been swamped lately but I am going to go look at this truck tomorrow so I figured I would post up the tune that is not working (tried differend OS/Calibrations) without any change. Instant chime. This tune was one of the many I have tried, just taking a clean stock and going to town on the emission changes. All the DTCs are turned off (just for testing purposes) and all the emission switches are off. Still chimes instantly when starting the truck.

[2007 5.9]

The ONLY way I know to clear a DPF Plugged message is with dealer tool....

[Mitco39]

So Les, what your saying is once that plugged message pops it needs to see a service regen or something equivalent to clear? This would make sense because nothing I have done on this truck has worked.

[kenturbo]

i have seen this before as well. i had to install stock file so all modules were enabled again, then blew deleted file back in.

[Mitco39]

^Interesting, the only weird thing with this is when I first got to the truck it was stock and the deletes had just been done.

[2007 5.9]

So Les, what your saying is once that plugged message pops it needs to see a service regen or something equivalent to clear? This would make sense because nothing I have done on this truck has worked.

That has been my experience...once plugged dpf has been triggered only a dealer tool can clear it. Maybe installing stock then going back works...but it has not been in my experience thus far.

I decline tuning on trucks that are plugged until it's cleared...it just creates massive headaches

[Mitco39]

We are heading over this afternoon to flash it back to 100% stock, drive it for about 10 mins then flash in the tune again. If this doesnt work then the truck will have to go to the dealer to be factory reset.

Thanks guys! I will be following the same rule as your Les. I already have way to many hours into this one truck.

[Mitco39]

Good news, flashing a 100% stock file in the truck and driving it for 10 mins before flashing in the deleted tunes fixed the overhead issues altogether.

[2007 5.9]

Good to know..I'll make a note of that

[kenturbo]

i never had to drive them after flashing stock file in. just back to stock then modded file back in. re enabling the can messaging i think is the key.

[dannyperform]

hey guys also if cyndy can please read this she can help me, i have a c and c truck, i flashed one of the star lite diesel tunes drive for 10 min and throws exhaust filter plugged, but throws no codes to ecm, or tcm, please help tryied with smarty, race me and still have same issue.

[30 RUM]

I suppose the DPF Plugged is different than Exhaust Filter Full. I just did one with the exhaust filter full message and had no problems. I did have the wiTECH with me for back up.

Quick question Mitch, did you have the pressure sensor under the cab unplugged on the truck that was giving you trouble?

[30 RUM]

hey guys also if cyndy can please read this she can help me, i have a c and c truck, i flashed one of the star lite diesel tunes drive for 10 min and throws exhaust filter plugged, but throws no codes to ecm, or tcm, please help tryied with smarty, race me and still have same issue.

I suggest find someone with a wiTECH and have them scan all of the modules on the truck. Did you try putting a stock tune in as suggested then back to a del tune?

[cindy@efilive]

hey guys also if cyndy can please read this she can help me, i have a c and c truck, i flashed one of the star lite diesel tunes drive for 10 min and throws exhaust filter plugged, but throws no codes to ecm, or tcm, please help tryied with smarty, race me and still have same issue.

I'd suggest if you are running the tuning of Starlite Diesel then the tune file will be locked and you will not be able to view or edit the tune file. You'll need to contact Starlite Diesel.

Cheers
Cindy

[Mitco39]

I suppose the DPF Plugged is different than Exhaust Filter Full. I just did one with the exhaust filter full message and had no problems. I did have the wiTECH with me for back up.

Quick question Mitch, did you have the pressure sensor under the cab unplugged on the truck that was giving you trouble?

Im not sure, we got a call from a local Exhaust shop to do the delete. They did the work underneath and I plugged into it. Did Not ask questions about how it was done so I cannot really comment on that part of it. All I know is that back to stock to drive it for a bit then back to a tune worked in this case.

[Programmer]

I usually roll around under the truck to make sure things things are done right...I always leave the DPF sensor plugged in. Personal preference.

[Programmer]

Not sure if this will help anyone...and it may already be posted here.
From Cummins (with corrected spelling mistakes) :
Diesel Training -- > Dodge Cummins 6.7L

This bulletin is to aid you on resetting the Perform Service indicator you will find on a Dodge 6.7L with the EVIC displaying this message.
PERFORM SERVICE INDICATOR- RESET the “Perform Service” message will display on the EVIC each time you turn the ignition switch to the ON/RUN position to indicate emission maintenance is required. To reset the “Perform Service” indicator system (after performing the scheduled maintenance) refer to the following procedure:
1. Turn the ignition switch to the ON position (Do not start engine).
2. Press and release the brake pedal two times.
3. Fully depress the accelerator pedal slowly two times within 10 seconds.
4. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF/LOCK position. NOTE: if the indicator message illumination when you start the vehicle, the “Perform Service” indicator did not reset.
If necessary repeat the above procedure.

To reset the “change oil” message on the EVIC, Turn the key to run without starting the engine and press the accelerator pedal 3 times within 10 seconds.
Note that on the Dodge Cummins we have dealt with multiple messages that required clearing codes and performing the above procedures.
Some vehicle may also show a message to contact dealer as well with the Perform Service Message and no codes set. Perform the procedure above.

Here are other messages you can have:
WHAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE OVERHEAD DISPLAY:
• “Exhaust Filter xx% Full” – Indicates that the DPF is approaching full.
• “Regeneration Required Now” – indicates you will need to intervene by changing your driving mode. See owner manual.
• “Regeneration in Process” – Indicates the DPF is self-cleaning. Please try to maintain you current driving condition until regeneration is complete.
• “Regeneration Completed” – DPF self-cleaning in complete.
• “Service Required-See Dealer Now” – Indicated DPF regeneration is not functioning.
Your Check Engine Light (MIL) may come on. Please see dealer. IMMEDIATE SERVICE IS REQUIRED. Damage to the exhaust system could occur soon with continued operation.
• “Exhaust Filter FULL –Power Reduced- See Dealer” – Your DPF is full.
Engine power will be reduced to decrease risk of damage. IMMEDIATE SERVICE REQUIRED. Please see dealer immediately. Damage to the exhaust system will occur with continued operation.

[comnrailpwr]

Good info, thanks.