allison 2000 cal

[vectorbundle]

does anyone have a stock allison 2000 tune, < 2004, that they can please post or send me? i need it for a swap project that involves a 2002 allison 2000 trans. the A2000 has no parking pawl so i don't want to use A1000 code (if it was just the gears i would adjust for that).

thanks in advance.

[THEFERMANATOR]

Make sure and get one for the correct gear ratios. the lack of a parking pawl is no issue, but the gear ratio is. I think there is a place to adjust the gear ratios in the software with EFILIVE, but I don't know if it would work as I don't think has ever tried it or not.

[vectorbundle]

thanks. yeah, i haven't tested it either. better to eliminate all variables and load the correct base flash. at this point i'm looking into just getting ally TCM reflash + translator interface so i could program whatever i need myself.

[Boost]

What vehicles did that come in? I'll see what I got laying around here today...

Also, would you Full-Flash or Cal-Flash an A40 / A43 for such a custom project? Under what circumstances would one use either method? (say a 6 speed conversion for instance)

[Boost]

So we have some Hinos here with Ally 2000 / 3000s in them, but the guy that's supposed to know about them says the calibration is exactly the same as the 1000... I would not have thought so?

[THEFERMANATOR]

So we have some Hinos here with Ally 2000 / 3000s in them, but the guy that's supposed to know about them says the calibration is exactly the same as the 1000... I would not have thought so?

Well the 3000 and 2000 series used different TCM's until 06 when ALLISON went to the GEN IV TCM for all. The 1000/2000 series from 99-05 used there own TCM while the 3000 and up used a different TCM. And the 3000 series is a COMPLETELY different animal from the 1000/2000 series in that it is ALL electronically shifted with no manual shift cable hook-up on it. The 1000/2000 series are basically the same except the 2000 series used the wide ratio gearing and had no parking pawl, and the 2400 was like the 2000 series except it used a parking pawl. All 2000/2400's used an external parking brake mounted to the tail housing unless it was a 4X4. It is also worth mentioning that extension housing for trans with an externally mounted parking brake had a MUCH larger C5 apply piston in them as GM had a custom extension housing built for the trucks and it required a smaller C5 piston(this is why the ALLISON kits from ALLISON do not have the correct C5 piston seals in them as the GM units used there own proprietary pistons and seals). Also I believe the 2000 series could be had with a transmission retarder brake that bolted onto the rear of the trans.

Best bet for the OP is to go to an ALLISON dealer and get them to set you up with either a custom flash, or find one close and use the ALLISON software to setup the inputs and outputs to match your needs. And also which TCM are you going to use? The 99-05 1000/2000 series, or an 06+ GEN IV A40 or A50? if going with an A40 or A50 you are pretty well limited to using the ALLISON DOC software to set it up as I doubt EFILIVE is going to work with the different cals for an A40, and they haven't released A50 last I checked. If you go with the 99-05 1000/2000 series I have heard that EFILIVE works fine with those calibrations.

[vectorbundle]

What vehicles did that come in? I'll see what I got laying around here today...

not sure. maybe medium duty GM trucks 6500+? fords f650, international trucks? i don't know if EFIlive would work with non-GM cals.


Also, would you Full-Flash or Cal-Flash an A40 / A43 for such a custom project? Under what circumstances would one use either method? (say a 6 speed conversion for instance)

this is not the CAN bus TCM, it's the older 5-speed 15768288 box.


Well the 3000 and 2000 series used different TCM's until 06 when ALLISON went to the GEN IV TCM for all. The 1000/2000 series from 99-05 used there own TCM while the 3000 and up used a different TCM. And the 3000 series is a COMPLETELY different animal from the 1000/2000 series in that it is ALL electronically shifted with no manual shift cable hook-up on it. The 1000/2000 series are basically the same except the 2000 series used the wide ratio gearing and had no parking pawl, and the 2400 was like the 2000 series except it used a parking pawl. All 2000/2400's used an external parking brake mounted to the tail housing unless it was a 4X4. It is also worth mentioning that extension housing for trans with an externally mounted parking brake had a MUCH larger C5 apply piston in them as GM had a custom extension housing built for the trucks and it required a smaller C5 piston(this is why the ALLISON kits from ALLISON do not have the correct C5 piston seals in them as the GM units used there own proprietary pistons and seals). Also I believe the 2000 series could be had with a transmission retarder brake that bolted onto the rear of the trans.

i read somewhere the 03 and earlier transmissions had different # of solenoids from 04+. is this true and does this mean the calibrations would not be compatible?


Best bet for the OP is to go to an ALLISON dealer and get them to set you up with either a custom flash, or find one close and use the ALLISON software to setup the inputs and outputs to match your needs. And also which TCM are you going to use? The 99-05 1000/2000 series, or an 06+ GEN IV A40 or A50? if going with an A40 or A50 you are pretty well limited to using the ALLISON DOC software to set it up as I doubt EFILIVE is going to work with the different cals for an A40, and they haven't released A50 last I checked. If you go with the 99-05 1000/2000 series I have heard that EFILIVE works fine with those calibrations.

thanks for the info. i'll see what i can do.

[THEFERMANATOR]

not sure. maybe medium duty GM trucks 6500+? fords f650, international trucks? i don't know if EFIlive would work with non-GM cals.



this is not the CAN bus TCM, it's the older 5-speed 15768288 box.



i read somewhere the 03 and earlier transmissions had different # of solenoids from 04+. is this true and does this mean the calibrations would not be compatible?



thanks for the info. i'll see what i can do.

Starting in 04 ALLISON added in the G solenoid to lower line pressure and increase cooler flow during low power input conditions. The newer trans will work with the older cal's, but the newer cal's will not work the older 99-03 trans without setting a G solenoid code. And I know Brayden at FLEECE said before EFILIVE would work with the MD cal's for the 5 speeds, but I haven't tried it. Finding somebody with the ALLISON DOC software would probably be your best bet for the 2000 series I would think.

[vectorbundle]

Starting in 04 ALLISON added in the G solenoid to lower line pressure and increase cooler flow during low power input conditions. The newer trans will work with the older cal's, but the newer cal's will not work the older 99-03 trans without setting a G solenoid code. And I know Brayden at FLEECE said before EFILIVE would work with the MD cal's for the 5 speeds, but I haven't tried it. Finding somebody with the ALLISON DOC software would probably be your best bet for the 2000 series I would think.

that's helpful info, thank you. what if the G solenoid code is turned off with EFIlive? do you know what is the difference between allison DOC and "allison TCM reflash" software?

[THEFERMANATOR]

that's helpful info, thank you. what if the G solenoid code is turned off with EFIlive? do you know what is the difference between allison DOC and "allison TCM reflash" software?

EFILIVE cannot shut off the G solenoid code, so your out of luck there. And the ALLSION DOC software is there software that they use for flashing and diagnostics.

[vectorbundle]

EFILIVE cannot shut off the G solenoid code, so your out of luck there. And the ALLSION DOC software is there software that they use for flashing and diagnostics.

i thought they were both their sw and maybe one is included in the other or they are separate. i will try out some ideas how to deal with this, but if anyone reading does happen to have a file that would be appreciated. thank you for all the info.

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EFILive works quite well with the MD 5 speeds, I can tell you this.

Right now I am working on another '07 C4500 with a 6 speed that is limited to being a 5 speed by the software. I am trying to undo this, do I full flash / cal flash / or just change a setting in there?

[THEFERMANATOR]

EFILive works quite well with the MD 5 speeds, I can tell you this.

Right now I am working on another '07 C4500 with a 6 speed that is limited to being a 5 speed by the software. I am trying to undo this, do I full flash / cal flash / or just change a setting in there?
EFILIVE works with the GM cals, but I don't know if it will work with non GM cal's and the GEN IV TCM. As for unlocking 6th, you have to go to ALLISON to get the flash. Full flashing isn't available for A40 TCM's, and the only way to unlock 6th is with a full flash.

[vectorbundle]

EFILIVE works with the GM cals, but I don't know if it will work with non GM cal's and the GEN IV TCM. As for unlocking 6th, you have to go to ALLISON to get the flash. Full flashing isn't available for A40 TCM's, and the only way to unlock 6th is with a full flash.

there should be easily accessible production GM cals to do that. maybe using a VIN for 08 4500 truck that has 6th enabled. or i suppose even a 2500 VIN and then adjust the shifts with EFIL. plus i remember reading that allison tend to be less than accommodating with such requests (refuse to enable 6th w/o some official letter from GM, etc).

[Boost]

there should be easily accessible production GM cals to do that. maybe using a VIN for 08 4500 truck that has 6th enabled. or i suppose even a 2500 VIN and then adjust the shifts with EFIL. plus i remember reading that allison tend to be less than accommodating with such requests (refuse to enable 6th w/o some official letter from GM, etc).

Thank you for the information THEFERMANATOR though I believe vectorbundle to be right. We will know soon enough as I am doing one today. I have a local Allison facility nearby and access to all GM cals via TISWeb. I know there are vendors selling this upgrade for hundreds of dollars - I doubt they are taking each of the modules to Allison.

Without disclosing too much info (for the sake of others who may care - I am here to learn and share). This WILL get done with EFILive.

[rcr1978]

Thank you for the information THEFERMANATOR though I believe vectorbundle to be right. We will know soon enough as I am doing one today. I have a local Allison facility nearby and access to all GM cals via TISWeb. I know there are vendors selling this upgrade for hundreds of dollars - I doubt they are taking each of the modules to Allison.

Without disclosing too much info (for the sake of others who may care - I am here to learn and share). This WILL get done with EFILive.

It's actually a $2k option, that's why hardly anyone will buy it.

[THEFERMANATOR]

I know one vendor doing it isn't using strictly EFILIVE to do his flashing. He also has the 5-6 speed conversion tunes as his software was able to read the locked TCM's.

[vectorbundle]

Thank you for the information THEFERMANATOR though I believe vectorbundle to be right. We will know soon enough as I am doing one today. I have a local Allison facility nearby and access to all GM cals via TISWeb. I know there are vendors selling this upgrade for hundreds of dollars - I doubt they are taking each of the modules to Allison.

Without disclosing too much info (for the sake of others who may care - I am here to learn and share). This WILL get done with EFILive.

i know i am right about doing it with a production GM flash bc i remember someone (on one of the diesel forums?) who did it. read it long ago and i was not interested in this subject then so i don't recall for sure what tune he used, probably 08 kodiak w/ 6th enabled. what's to disclose, we are talking about an OEM TIS flash. i'm just looking for a vanilla A2000 file too...

ETA: not same discussion i had read before but same story: http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76-gm-trucks/34-medium-duty-trucks/447152-2006-c4500-5-speed-6-speed-conversion-instructions.html

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Yup after some further checking it's looking a lot like TIS. I couldn't do that yesterday because all that stuff is here at work.

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Boost, I know it has been a while, did you ever get it to flash to unlock 6th gear?

Thnx

Sam