New to forum -deciding to buy

[SW1911]

Hi guys
I currently own another tuner ,and I am new at tuning about three months now , im a mechanic of 23 years and decided I wanted to see what the other end looks like !!!!
Im am really not pleased with my current tool at all and kieep looking at the pros and cons of both ,I do alot of gm v6 trucks with the 411 pcm's and one problem I have is im forced to have matching vin and os , and the 1-2-3 bar enhancements are expensive cutting into my profit ,not to mention in my opinion the real time tuning is very frustrating ,when pulled up ,the ve table doesnt match whats in the vehicle along with other things , I was looking for some facts and or some opinions one these ,matters , EFI with moates is way more expensive and i will lose all of my vehicle licenses and also I would guess i would have to load all of my current tunes to a dummy on the benchtop and change the file extensions?

Thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this
Jim

[SW1911]

Bump for a possible sale !!!!! please some good info why to switch

[ScarabEpic22]

Hi Jim,
If I read your initial post correctly, you do a lot of LS1B (512kb LS1/P59) PCM conversions? As for EFILive's licensing structure, it is much more conducive to swap applications where the VIN/OS pair do NOT match (or have to match). EFILive licenses the serial number of the PCM (or ECM/TCM) and uses the VIN as a basis for the scan tool only, it does not factor into the way a particular controller is licensed.

Custom OSs are free with EFILive, the most popular is COS5 (only for select OSs) then COS3 (more applications).

I would suggest you look at the EFILive FlashScan V2 with a GM Tuning License as the base product then look at purchasing a LS1B Stream license. This would give you a V2 able to tune any GM vehicle (using 1 of the 2 included VIN licenses) and ALL LS1B PCMs.

I have not used a Moates RoadRunner, but most of the feedback Ive heard about it positive. You would need 2 versions if you intended to tune both 512kb and 1MB PCMs along with the necessary $199 RoadRunner license.

Hope that helps out a bit! I've been using EFILive for almost 8 years now, it's an absolutely great tuning suite.

[SW1911]

Thank you very much that was very informative !!!!!, although I am new to tuning, I read alot and have gregs dvd trying to buck up on things on the tuning end , I certainly dont want to bash anyone tools , but Efi seems more user friendly , a bit people like myslef who amore open air to more costly but more bang for your buck and the forum seems to re learning

Thanks
Jim

[EagleMark]

Your issues with VINs and swapping systems or engine transplants along with licensing was my main reason for choosing EFI Live. Next was segment swaps! EFI Live and do it yourself, the other way and you email them in to be done? Then the bonus of COS! Couple years later and having the other demo along with reading both forums and I made the right choice!

You'll be able to download your calibration right off the car and save it as an EFI Live .tun file at no cost, license is for flash only.

I also have the RoadRunner and no complaints. It's just amazing! Few bucks more to do it this way but it works great all the time!

[joecar]

I have a couple of 411/512KB RoadRunners, they only use a one-time license specific to the RR itself (i.e. not related to flashing)(actually, you don't flash to the RR, you download via USB and it's ready to run).

I'm not sure that Moates sells/supports the 1MB RoadRunners (he said there is some problem getting them to run properly).

[joecar]

Also, note the following:
- V2 supports any wideband that has a serial comms interface (i.e. better accuracy by doing away with analog voltage offsets/loops).
- V2 supports standalone black box logging and flashing (BBL/BBF), and during BBL it displays logged pids on its LCD display.

[joecar]

Reading:

Calc-VET-correcting-MAF-and-calculating-VE-(in-single-log) (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?15236-Calc-VET-correcting-MAF-and-calculating-VE-(in-single-log))
Calc-MAFT-correcting-VE-and-calculating-MAF-(in-single-log)-->-reverse-of-Calc-VET (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?16413-Calc-MAFT-correcting-VE-and-calculating-MAF-(in-single-log)-gt-reverse-of-Calc-VET)
Collecting-links-to-scattered-material (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?2990-Collecting-links-to-scattered-material)
Summary-Notes (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14188-Summary-Notes)

and of course the scantool and tunetool user manual pdf's.

[swingtan]

I've posted about "which tuning software" on LS1.com.au and boiled it down to two main questions, for a business 3.


Does it do what you need it to do?
How easy is it to get decent help?
What's the "return on investment" going to be?


Time and time again, this forum has show how eager people are to help others. There's tons a of very good help and whiles there is "spirited discussion" there's virtually no out right arguments. So I'll call it that for question 2, we are probably the best.....

So does EFILive do what you need? That will come down to what your business mainly does. There's plenty of guys on here that use many different tuning products for different applications. Sometimes you need more than one tool to do the job. EFIlive does GM vehicles very, very well, it also has a significantly better logging tool that its closest rival (the V2) and also allows for remote tuning with the use of the Autocal (you send the Autocal and tune files to a customer, they do the actual flashing. They can also log data and send the files back to you for updating the tune/s).

So what's the ROI? For initial purchase, the two main contenders are about the same. When it comes to licensing, EFILive is so much better! I've had the developer of the other product explain their "credit" method to me, and I still don't get it. As already said, EFILive licenses the controller ( in most cases you can just say it licenses the vehicle) once, and that's all there is to it. Everything after that is included in the initial license.

So the availability of good support and the licensing method had me buying EFILive.

[SW1911]

WOW, you guys have been great , i mostly do one application v6 gm 98 and up ,as far as the credits it seems simple here , and I like the discount stream since ive only done about 25 or so in three months ,, buying the wrong tool was my mistake , it just isnt what I want and very complicated , the credit thing is horrible (scenario) most of my jobs are 4.3 gm 411 computers, i have a ton of them , i have to license each year make and model and pay for credits , when im blowing in my own files , 3 different ones to be-exact, the vehicle license and my program,,so you can see my frustration , when it should be easy to do what im doing , im losing money , BTW thanks to all of you for the support and replies just dont get im new to this and i plan on getting on your nerves !!!!! LOL
Thanks
Jim

[SW1911]

ok im in , i want to make sure about the pcm issue like , can i use any 411 on 2001=2003 s10 or silverado and be ok with the os not matching , this would be the kicker

Thanks to every one

Jim

[Taz]

I'm not 100% certain what you are asking ... so my apologies in advance if I fail to answer your actual question.

The 0411 (12200411) LS1-B PCM, while technically obsolete, is very user friendly. It was used in many 2001 and 2002 model year vehicles, and can be used as a replacement for the 09354896 LS1-B PCM used in the 1999 and 2000 model years.

EFILive licenses the PCM - not the VIN, not the OS, just the PCM. Once you license the PCM you are free to flash any compatible calibration (OS), and you can change the VIN in the PCM to match the vehicle of use.

For a custom application (engine conversion / Hot Rod) where the VIN in the PCM needs to correspond to the vehicle VIN, EFILive will provide you with the functionality to do all of these things. The main competitor (HPT) cannot assist with such conversions, outside of a very narrow margin, or at an outrageous cost.

Hope that answers your question ...

[SW1911]

Thanks TAZ , you did answer my question hpt is killing me in credits , i mainly do 2001 -2003 4,3 and i cant use lets say an astro van ecm unless i license it and even then the os and vin dont match so it cost me alot of-money to do a pcm fora s1fo ,i want to make sure i can do this without buying specific pcm;s (s10 or blazer )

Thanks for the response , i love this forum its soooo much more friendly
Jim

[SW1911]

tool in hand , i cant find any custom o/s for the 4.3 and this tool is new and weird ad the ve tables are inverted ? any help on this one

[5.7ute]

The VE table inversion is just Efilive's method of displaying the data. It will take a bit of getting used to, but is much better IMHO. What is the base operating system ID that you normally use?

[SW1911]

mostly 1271012 but there a few more all silverado and s10 specific 4.3 im ruuning a 1 bar SD right now and have a two bar built in hpt

[Taz]

mostly 1271012 but there a few more all silverado and s10 specific 4.3 im ruuning a 1 bar SD right now and have a two bar built in hpt

OS 1271012 in an HPT COS. It corresponds to OEM OS 12208322 (common to the 2001 model year). In EFILive the corresponding COS options are 01270001 (1 BAR SD), 01270002 (1 BAR SD plus Valet Option), and 01270003 (2 & 3 BAR SD with additional enhancements - but still works with 1 BAR applications).

The COS upgrade option in EFILive is at no additional cost to you - but the process is slightly different than HPT. In the tuning software (V7.5) under the "Help" menu select "Tutorials", the select "Custom OS Upgrade Tutorial - LS1.pdf". I would recommend that you print this document, read it several times and make some notes, and then keep it nearby when you do this for the first time. Once you have done this once or twice, it becomes very easy.

The COS files themselves should be located on your computer at C:\Documents\My Documents\EFILive\V7.5\Bins\Custom OS.

[SW1911]

OS 1271012 in an HPT COS. It corresponds to OEM OS 12208322 (common to the 2001 model year). In EFILive the corresponding COS options are 01270001 (1 BAR SD), 01270002 (1 BAR SD plus Valet Option), and 01270003 (2 & 3 BAR SD with additional enhancements - but still works with 1 BAR applications).

The COS upgrade option in EFILive is at no additional cost to you - but the process is slightly different than HPT. In the tuning software (V7.5) under the "Help" menu select "Tutorials", the select "Custom OS Upgrade Tutorial - LS1.pdf". I would recommend that you print this document, read it several times and make some notes, and then keep it nearby when you do this for the first time. Once you have done this once or twice, it becomes very easy.

The COS files themselves should be located on your computer at C:\Documents\My Documents\EFILive\V7.5\Bins\Custom OS.

Damn Taz I have to say thanks ,and im really exited to be somewhere there is help, Just that part of it makes me happy with my purchase , somewhere while bucking up on reading I found a os swap file and cant find it again all in all I did pull a file from a pcm in my office and could not read it , I found out I was on version 8 so i switched up , pulled the file and went lurking around a found that EFI software is very different but easier to use for a beginner , I only have 5 tunes I sell and only make minor changes as needed and the easy stuff like maf tunes at the shop and Im no Pro but always learning , I may invest in RR just to tighten up my 5 files a bit Thanks again

Jim

[ScarabEpic22]

Once you get into the swing of things, start using V8 to read/write your PCMs. It is faster and the routines are more robust than V7.5. :D

If I were you, I'd move away from the 01 OS and use the 02 OS 12212156 so you can use COS5.

[SW1911]

Two questions , I have read the tutorial in custom o/s several times and am having trouble but I have learned alot on other ends ,,,,, Do I need to license the file first before i can apply the o/s because I cant see them at all ( dont want to waste credits ) second I have a boatload of stock 2001 up v6 files and would like to contribute if there is a place to upload them !!!!

Thanks again Jim
ps please let me know if I should start a new thread or keep it here for now , I dont want to offend anyone

and thanks Scarabepic22 v8 is faster and to everyone else for making this a smooth transition

[5.7ute]

No wasting of credits. The only time you use a vin license (credit in hp tuners terms) is when you flash a file into a pcm for the first time with that cable. Once licensed to that pcm, you can make as many operating system changes (standard or custom) as you like with no further costs.
The quickest way to get up & running with a custom OS is.
Find the custom operating system you wish to use at C:\Documents\My Documents\EFILive\V7.5\Bins\Custom OS.
Do a full flash to your pcm of the custom os. (here is where you will use your vin license)
Open the stock tune you are using & calibration flash only. This will put your stock settings onto the custom os.
Read the file from the pcm & ensure that the custom settings (A00x) are at sane values as described in the tutorial.
Go to the B3647 fuel mixture table & correct this due to the axis change.
Save & then cal only flash this as your base tune.

[SW1911]

thanks 5.7 Taz had the file location in the post above yours but reading the tutorial it does not indicate where the files were ,5.7 if thats your car it looks familiar to me , do you travel ? Im t/s

[5.7ute]

No that isn't my car. It is a friends that I tune/crew on here in Alice Springs. I believe when it was campaigned in the States it was called the Texas Tremor, but it has been here in Oz for the last 4 years.
I will be licensing & running the car here for our September meet. (If I don't crap my pants) lol

[SW1911]

I think you may consider a diaper just in case LOL , Im in the mid 6 second t/s and between the noise and blurred vision and g force I still get anxiety sometimes before i get into my car , Im sure you will dig it !!!

Well i removed the hpt o/s from my file and had good luck with the conversion thanks to you and taz , two issues came up , one my ve table was about 12 point high across the board . I tried to write my calibrations again which were good for the hpt o/s and got the same thing and one other issue with three things out of range ,im at work and cant remember what but I will post it up later , Im not sure if the o/s bumped up my ve or hpt and efi measure it different

Regards
Jim

[joecar]

Out-of-range cells, see:
- post #28 here: Collecting-links-to-scattered-material (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?2990-Collecting-links-to-scattered-material&p=132155&viewfull=1#post132155)
- post $14 here: help-kr*-problem (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?9931-help-kr*-problem&p=87052#post87052)

[SW1911]

this was after the second try , the first try is was way rich and i mean too rich , not sure what happened the original table stated out at 40 when my oem file was 30 now i have nothing

[joecar]

Which procedure/tutorial are you following...?

[SW1911]

16572the one in the tool when the file is open under tutorials custom o/s ls1 pdf , this was my stock file i pulled and blew calibrations back in with efi

after read , full flash of o/s can push in oem calibration this is how my ve looks


16573

Thanks everyone

[SW1911]

16576 I have no idea how this happened , but i have bee at it all day . trying to find out how to change the main ve limits also here is an exel file for row to column change if anyone wants it , Thanks to my Angel stefanie

[Taz]

STOP ... STOP ... STOP

You have something configured very wrong. The VE table values in Grams*Kelvin/kPa in a stock engine should not be exceeding about 2.2000 - you are nearly 5 times that.

If you are trying to copy and paste from HPT, make certain you are working with equivalent units.

[SW1911]

Taz did you peek at my file in the above post , maybe you could see if that looks correct ,thanks for the tips , the transition is a bit harder than i thought post # 26

[SW1911]

Taz did you peek at my file in the above post , maybe you could see if that looks correct ,thanks for the tips , the transition is a bit harder than i thought post26 is the file pulled from hpt and back in with efi , bench top dont dare want to shoot a file in my test vehicle without making sure its within 10 percent

[Taz]

Sorry ... I am not running the latest version of the EFILive software, as it blocks most of the T43 *.cax files that took me a lot of time and effort to create. This means that I cannot open the *.ctz tune you posted.

I have the latest version running in isolation on a desktop - just nowhere near it currently.

Are you just trying to port over your HPT COS into an EFILive COS ? If so, just post the HPT file and I can take care of that for you.

[SW1911]

I owe you a beer or at least a picture of one lol , ok it wont let me upload the hpt file

[Taz]

Put it in a *.zip file ...

[SW1911]

thanks dude

[SW1911]

ps this was a pretty good tune s/c one bar s/d

[Taz]

Got it ... I have to benchflash an EFILive COS ... then load a 2003 S10 cal ... then port over the HPT values ... will be a day or two in my spare time

[SW1911]

ps this was a pretty good tune s/c one bar s/d and I do appreciate all of your help and time ,, do you still want a beer pic ? lol ,,,,seriously I have been reading almost non stop and Im getting it but for me I need to do it-first hand , Im going to load the scanner up and hook up my wideband thanks again and I guess I should say cheers mate

Jim

[joecar]

16572the one in the tool when the file is open under tutorials custom o/s ls1 pdf , this was my stock file i pulled and blew calibrations back in with efi

after read , full flash of o/s can push in oem calibration this is how my ve looks


16573

Thanks everyoneDo this:
- Edit->Configure Display Units,
- locate B0101 and highlight this line,
- on this line do rightclick->Data->Precision (or similar) and set precision to 4 decimal places.
- click Exit

Edit: or more simply, click the +.00 button to increase the number of decimal places.

[joecar]

Sorry ... I am not running the latest version of the EFILive software, as it blocks most of the T43 *.cax files that took me a lot of time and effort to create. This means that I cannot open the *.ctz tune you posted.

...Taz, the Nov 21, 2013 (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?23483-Update-Nov-21-2013) tunetool has an option to disable the cax overlap check.

[Taz]

Thanks for thinking about my predicament Joecar !

Believe that feature is only for the LS1-B PCM only - those *.cax files load just fine ... will check the settings on my desktop computer again ... sure doesn't seem to like my R&D on the T43 and E67.

[Taz]

Jim ... I get confused easily in my old age it seems. The original discussion in this thread was about the COS file options available. However, the tune you posted for me is not a COS - it is a straight forward 2003 OEM OS.

Do you just want this tune flipped into EFILive format ? (which would be easier for me to do)

Also, at first glance it looks like a pure MAF tune - that is, the tune defaults to the MAF when the engine speed is above 0 RPM. Just looked at it briefly - the HPT layout is backward to me (so I could be wrong) - just wanted to check with you before making time to get this done.

[SW1911]

ok tried that joecar all i am seeing is imperial or metric in all locations

thanks for the help
jim

[SW1911]

taz this is a hpt file running no maf = s/d with the hpt custom o/s applied , im getting there too buddy 42 and just had a minor stroke

Jim
ps just looking to build one good file with efi so I can get the hang-of it and it seems like there might be a minor set back already , appreciate the help as always , this board has been awesome compared to the other

[Taz]

OK ... so the tune you post earlier - not a COS - straight copy over.

The tune you just posted I assume is the COS ? Don't know what to do with a *.rar file. If you can upload it as a *.zip, I could then open it.

[5.7ute]

Just to throw a spanner in the works, in some of the HPtuners COS's, I believe they change the axis values in the code.( Not sure where I read that, but I have had trouble logging as map values were modified)
In other words, I would start from scratch with a stock tune over the Efilive COS to be on the safe side.

[SW1911]

taz try this, it was a 1 bar s/d tune ,o/s should be in the file if not , im drinking jager lol rlol

thanks bro

[SW1911]

well wiill we have a diaper or nor bro !!!!! its very intense lol

[SW1911]

5.7 well wiill we have a diaper or nor bro !!!!! its very intense lol , I was upside down at the traps at 212mph 6.42 with a 9.99994 60 ft time when my right parachute didnt open unitil it was under the wheelie bar and flipped the car over 50k worth of damage and poo in the panties ,lol only suffered one dislodged vertibret in my neck ha ha and i dont care I love power , I have some pics maybe one day I will pm them to you

[5.7ute]

Going from 11's to mid 6.0's, I will have 2 diapers lol.

[Taz]

Here is the 2003 Sonoma OEM OS tune ... the HPT changes were copied over except for where the softwares differ. You will need to disable COT protection (i.e. no additional fuel to be added) via temperature in EFILive (I did not adjust this). In HPT you had zeroed out the COT fuel adder.

[SW1911]

this is weird my ve table is a zeros , taz thanks for all of your help , i have no idea what is going on16592

[Taz]

I just checked the tune I recently posted - VE table is the same as in your HPT tune. Could be a displayed precision issue. Do you see the little "+" sign with the two zeros underneath it ? Click on that button until you get several decimal places displayed.

[joecar]

this is weird my ve table is a zeros , taz thanks for all of your help , i have no idea what is going on16592Click on the +.00 button as Taz said... the button is on the 3rd toolbar, 3rd button from the right.

[joecar]

Also, you're displaying VE in units of grams/cylinder (which requires displacement to be correct)...

go Edit->Properties and set VE units to g*K/kPa.

[SW1911]

thanks guys does this look more correct , sorry for being a pest , the transition is a bit harder than i thought, and taz if you would not mind looking at it to see if it looks like my hpt file , if it does I should be able to blow the file in my test vehicle and be close to correct
Cheers
Jim

[Taz]

Past my bedtime already !!! Will be a day or two before I can look at it thoroughly ...

[SW1911]

me too buddy good night

[joecar]

Fix these:


Out of Range calibration summary: 12:03:53 am, Tuesday Mar 25, 2014

EFILive Custom Calibrations
{A0000} Forced Octane Scaler, was out of range when loaded.
{A0001} Forced Octane Scaler Percentage, was out of range when loaded.
{A0002} Octane Scaler Limiter, was out of range when loaded.




See here for how to correct OOR (there's a trick):


Fixing Out Of Range (OOR) Cells:
help-kr*-problem&p=87052 (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?9931-help-kr*-problem&p=87052#post87052) post #14
3000-RPM-max-and-setting-codes-03-Z06-with-Magnuson-at-150kPa (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14119-3000-RPM-max-and-setting-codes-03-Z06-with-Magnuson-at-150kPa) posts #14, #17
I-need-help-getting-the-most-out-of-my-car (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14654-I-need-help-getting-the-most-out-of-my-car) post#2

[SW1911]

iI think I found out what happened with the file swap on my end , too many flashes over two years and corrupted data , new file built I will post it later , I have been reading alot inbetween posts and m learning alot from that and you guys and believe im close to "getting the tool" anyhow I killed the brick

[joecar]

Taz, the Nov 21, 2013 (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?23483-Update-Nov-21-2013) tunetool has an option to disable the cax overlap check.Taz, it does not seem to work properly.

[SW1911]

joecar i did once see PCMLocks.ini before it bricked

[joecar]

That file would be for locking the PCM from the tunetool (I don't know it's details).

[EagleMark]

iI think I found out what happened with the file swap on my end , too many flashes over two years and corrupted data , new file built I will post it later , I have been reading alot inbetween posts and m learning alot from that and you guys and believe im close to "getting the tool" anyhow I killed the brickThere are ways to fix a brick! Pretty sure that's not an option on yours with the recent cooling modifications...
:anitoof:

[SW1911]

I seem to have it out for electronics that fail , I shoot them all , 3 laptops in the last six months and oh a vacuum cleaner LOL

[EagleMark]

I'd hate to get you mad at me! :cool:

[SW1911]

Its all good bro , I love this forum and all of the people I have met and helped me transition from brand X tuning tool to the efi which I am starting to fall in love with the more I use it

jim

[SW1911]

ok so the file I was building has incorrect trans operations , is there a way to get them back to stock without using and credits , I tried loading a stock tune from holden crazy ,changed the vin to the one I have flashed and I am asked for more credits , its me not knowing the tool and having trouble moving my brand x files to EFI

Cheers guys its the weekend

[joecar]

You only use a VIN licence ("credit") when you flash a controller that V2 has not yet flashed;

a VIN licenses links to a controller's serial number (i.e. calling it a VIN license is a misnomer, it is a controller license).

If you already flashed that controller, the software should not be asking you for more credits.


BTW: to change the VIN in a controller, use the scantool.

[joecar]

To change the transmission segment, do this:
- open your calibration file (the one with the wrong trans segment),
- open the other file (the one with the correct trans segment),
- go Edit->Copy Entire Segment->Tranmission,
- go Edit->Copy Entire Segment->Transmission Diagnostics,
- go File->Save As, and give it a new filename (or simply allow it to bump the _0001 filename appendage).

[joecar]

ok so the file I was building has incorrect trans operations , is there a way to get them back to stock without using and credits , I tried loading a stock tune from holden crazy ,changed the vin to the one I have flashed and I am asked for more credits , its me not knowing the tool and having trouble moving my brand x files to EFI

Cheers guys its the weekendWhat V7/V8 build versions do you have installed (form V7 scantool or tunetool, go Help->About).


Post screenshots of what you're attempting to do.

[joecar]

...

Cheers guys its the weekendCheers :cheers:

[SW1911]

very hard time with this file and because im new im stuck , I understand what im looking at just not the format and this file must be close to the last one i posted and go out monday , if i had hair I would be pulling it ot , LOl Thanks Joecar and taz , I wish someone would make a throw up smiley !!!! BTW im doing this all desktop if it matters , Im thinking the file transfer not going well and me still new at the tool is killing me maybe I should brick myself LOL

[SW1911]

16628

[darcy]

You need to run the tunetool as Administrator

[SW1911]

16629

[SW1911]

16629 all files are valid and i have not read anything about an administartor

thanks
jim

[joecar]

+1 what darcy said...

install V7/V8 software as administrator, then run the software as Administrator...

[joecar]

Why did you do a full flash (rather than a cal flash) into that PCM...?

[joecar]

Install/run as admin, and repeat the full flash.

[SW1911]

i did a full flash because i keep each tune not only on 3 hard drives but on a pcm also, installed it today , it runs but not great , i will get the scanner set up and do some logging, two scanners ,which one to use?

thanks
jim

[joecar]

For tuning use the V7 scantool (supports features like maps and filtering whuch the V8 scantool does not yet have).

[SW1911]

Got it , Joecar all I do is read now my eyes are popping out of my head , im setting the scanner up and have read post after post and I mean hours on wideband hook up and they are old posts , mine is a aem 30-4100 ,i use a surface pro tablet for in car , i cant find any newer posts on hooking up to the scan tool or if it is possible ?
Thanks guys

[ScarabEpic22]

You need to hook the WBO2 into your V2, either via analog or serial input.

For analog, you need to setup a calc_pid to pull the WBO2 signal in and provide the correct formula for your particular WBO2.
For serial, once it is connected to your V2 you need to program it appropriately via V8 S&T, F6 Devices, F8 Serial I/O.

[joecar]

Try to get serial comms working.

[SW1911]

ok guys I finally got to load my file in my test vehicle and get a quick scan , (is the v8 scanner not ready ?) found alot of things wrong I dont know if its my tune or the file conversion , but one thing that caught my eye was KR at idle , its a 411 swap unit ,LS1 pinned correctly with the correct knock sensor but the weird part is with the brand x tune i had only false knocks in boost at 10 ps1 @105 kpa , here is the tune and a quick scan.
thanks
jim

[SW1911]

I am also finding out how superior this tool is , I just need to keep focused on reading as I have been ,also I may invest in RR since most of my tunes are the same just to get them as right as they can be , does anyone agree ?

[joecar]

ok guys I finally got to load my file in my test vehicle and get a quick scan , (is the v8 scanner not ready ?) found alot of things wrong I dont know if its my tune or the file conversion , but one thing that caught my eye was KR at idle , its a 411 swap unit ,LS1 pinned correctly with the correct knock sensor but the weird part is with the brand x tune i had only false knocks in boost at 10 ps1 @105 kpa , here is the tune and a quick scan.
thanks
jimV8 scantool is being developed, it works good for viewing logs in chart form, but it does not have all the featured needed for tuning yet.

For tuning use the V7 scantool.

Your log shows:
- HO2S11 is mostly dead lean, and spikes rich on throttle close.
- HO2S21 is not working (mostly hovering at 450 mV).


Is this a 411 PCM (Gen3), is so then you are logging the wrong pids, namely (unless I'm missing something):
- KNKRTD (should be KR),
- INJPWB1/2 (should be IBPW1/2),
- DYNAIR_LS1 (should be DYNAIR),
- AFR_B (should be AFR; or even better EQIVRATIO);

[joecar]

In your tune file, you need to fix these out-of-range parameters:


Out of Range calibration summary: 09:20:35 am, Friday Apr 04, 2014

EFILive Custom Calibrations
{A0001} Forced Octane Scaler Percentage, was out of range when loaded.

Engine Calibration.Shiftlight
{B5802} Min Temp to Allow Shift Light, was out of range when loaded.

Engine Calibration.Torque Limiting
{B6618} Max Torque, Rear Prop Shaft, was out of range when loaded.

Engine Diagnostics.MAP
{C3003} Predicted MAP Max, contained one or more out of range values when loaded.


See here on how to fix OOR:


Fixing Out Of Range (OOR) Cells:
help-kr*-problem&p=87052 (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?9931-help-kr*-problem&p=87052#post87052) post #14
3000-RPM-max-and-setting-codes-03-Z06-with-Magnuson-at-150kPa (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14119-3000-RPM-max-and-setting-codes-03-Z06-with-Magnuson-at-150kPa) posts #14, #17
I-need-help-getting-the-most-out-of-my-car (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14654-I-need-help-getting-the-most-out-of-my-car) post#2

[joecar]

I find it strange that you have a COS containing table B3605 (OL fuel by ECT x RPM) rather than B3647 (OL fuel by MAP x RPM)...!?

[SW1911]

im not sure as you know you tool and os systems are all new to me

[SW1911]

and yes this is a 411 4.3 engine

[SW1911]

next very opinionated question what wideband is the most accurate with efi and the easiest to hook up without a mess of cables ,as i have read in other threads , im almost ready to go logging and my aem isnt working with efi but works with hpt , my roadrunner is on the way and i would like to get some straight answers I just have alot going on and the shop is busy and the truck is full of wires , cant hide much more

Thanks
Jim

[SW1911]

maybe a pid problem , but I did notice no aem ???that is what makes me wonder about the wide band

[5.7ute]

If you know the output voltages for the AEM, it is easy enough to modify one of the calc pids to get yours working.

[SW1911]

whats up dude , they are listed on the install sheet , but maybe im not setting up the right pid right ,im having a harder time than i though adjusting from one tool to another , scanner was up today except for wideband

thanks for the reply mick

Jim

[5.7ute]

I don't have my laptop here with me today so I will not be able to do a step by step off the top of my head. (Been looking through more Racepak logs than Efilive lately) If you are using the analog inputs though it shouldn't take too much to get you straight.
It is as simple as selecting the EXT.AD1 or 2 pid, whichever you have hooked up the wideband to on the flashcan inputs.
Then select the pid that converts that raw voltage into an AFR value.

[SW1911]

16735 hey guys i have my wideband hooded up analog A1, followed 5.7"s advice and all im seeing is a dead 10, dont know if i need to ground a1 or im missing a pid or not filtered correctly thanks again for all of the help
jim

[SW1911]

sorry to be a pain but all of the tutorial eith are very old or dont apply to my obvious crappy aem 30-4100

[darcy]

If you're using WB02 to tune, then they aren't in your PID list.

Since it's via the analogue port you need to log EXT.AD1, then to convert that to raw logged voltage to AFR, you need to log CALC.ARF_PLX1 (PLX uses the same voltage coversion as AEM - 2v+10)
Then, log the CALC.BEN_PLX1 for you correction factor.

Also add DYNCYLAIR_DMA, TPS.
The HO2S11/2 & LONGFT1/2 are unnecessary when WB02 tuning and can free up some more PID channels to keep it under 25, same for IDC2 & INJDC2, 1 bank is ususally adequate.


Don't try to follow the tutorial for VE/MAF tuning, go to the CALC.VET Thread (http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?15236-Calc-VET-correcting-MAF-and-calculating-VE-(in-single-log)) and use this revised procedure.

[SW1911]

AWESOME DUDE
a+

[SW1911]

Now i got this after trying to hook up my analog wideband,ground and 5v from wb in a1 and still no wide band???all other scanners work , wide band pid ext a1 thats it , ground and signal to a1

update I can read through the hand help but im getting an error on the cable which i have switched out with three known good ones, SENT TO SUPPORT sorry im just having a hard time using two tools and learning efi from step one

[joecar]

Post a log file.

[SW1911]

cant log on lap top no sd car sorry joe car , my venture seems endless cant even get wb02 to work and my roadrunner just showed up arrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhh and all of the tutorial and liks are out of date such as tac cables

[joecar]

Are you serious...?

SD card is less than $5 for a name brand.

You can temporarily bring your laptop to to your car in your driveway, and log like that.

If you have not gotten laptop working then how are you going to use the RR...?

When you say the tutorial is out of date, did you goto the Calc.VET thread and look at post #1 (recently updated)...?

There are threads on how to assemble and/or fabricate your own wideband serial comms cable.

Come on, get it going :) (you're otherwise missing out)

[SW1911]

sorry joe , I may have missed one , and i do have an sd card, laptop wont log data have to use scan tool , otherwise serious ??? why doesnt someone get rid of the out of date stuff , im trying but its hard when your used to another tool serious???????????????? and as far as the wideband stuff , it should not be that hard , i have one wire to hpt

[SW1911]

and remember i have stated in my first reply thread #1 DECIDING T TO BUY i know nothing abot this tool ,but am willing to lean with help

[joecar]

no worries, we'll get you going...

(I'm trying to update all the stuff... the Calc.VET thread post #1 is being updated)

You could wire your wideband to one of the analog inputs on V2... but the serial comms interface is much better, you should try to get this going if you can...

which wideband did you say you have...?

[SW1911]

aem-34100 , thanks dude you guys are awesome due to the problems with the interface i have no ability to do any wb logs sorry waiting on a reply from support

[SW1911]

ok i have been up logging data , learning the pids , way different from the other tool , did I just say tool ?? may even try giving the roadrunner a try this weekend or next , is there a pre built pid list anywhere ? Talked to Greg what a great guy , JOECAR i feel I should make a random post and log the time to see how long it takes you to find me ,,LOL

thanks guys
CHEERS

[joecar]

Try either of these pid files... copy to the PIDs folder.

[SW1911]

thanks Joe , no fun ????? rlmao love this forum

next beer or beers are on me

[joecar]

Also, here's a ready made dash, unzip it to the folder VDash.

[joecar]

lol, I'm trying to figure out how I would detect your next post on any car related forum...

:)

[SW1911]

I figured it out !!!, I will even make it fair , you give the day and US EST time when you are usually up on the board and thats when I will do it , no tricks ,same name , nand I will give you 30 minutes to find me , winner paypals for a case of beer !

found out why im having a hard time , I cant devote all of my time to one tool ,so this weekend is efi only !! I need to get up with th RR asap I think it will bemy best friend once I get it

regards
jim

[joecar]

you figured it out (that I don't sleep)...?

[SW1911]

no i figured out how you can catch me ! you just need to , like I said you give a us est time and date when you are at your peak posting , and if you catch me in 30 min beer is on me for real , if you dont you owe me some beer ha ha I love it , work has to be fun
thanks joe

jim

[joecar]

Problem is that googling your user name gets 115,000 non-automotive related hits (Smith & Wesson model 1911).

[SW1911]

no just here buddy ,,,wouldnt be fair any other way and you have the advantage this wa , lol this is fun

[joecar]

lol

[SW1911]

Ok roadrunner connected !!!!!!!! I used my benchtop controller , Using a surface pro 2 tablet I plugged it up along with efi live and a usb splitter and got nothing but I could see the RR in the harware menu so I did a hard restart and boom it detected the RR without any usb drivers so I entered all of the license info and it ready , thoughht this might help someone else using the surface pro , my test file is built now all I have to do is content with the scanner ,, BTW Thanks for the files Joecar you stalker lol

if I can get it going this weekend I will post results

Thanks all and especially the follower

[joecar]

Cool :cheers:

[SW1911]

HELLO ALL DOES ANYONE HAVE HPT , I found my injector tables are different from one tool to another and was wondering if I post a hpt and a semi ready efi file if you could tell me if they match up or not

Thanks all and im sure i will see you soon joe lol

[5.7ute]

Copy & paste the HPT data to excel, transpose the tables (Copy & paste special in excel) then place into Efilive.

[SW1911]

hey whats up , how was the track ? I live on race pac

The tables are really different example ect vs pulse rate , efi has it I dont think hpt does

[5.7ute]

Copy & paste all the HPT tables & labels to an excel spreadsheet & post it on here. Then anyone can have a look.
The Mildura trip was fun but long. 4000ks in 2 days travelling there a back & 2 long days at the track took it out of me. (Crewing on an interstate based Nostalgia Nitro car) Including a 400km detour to pick up the new (to us) Tremor body.

[joecar]

The EFILive tunetool has a transpose tool, see the Conversions tab.

[SW1911]

thanks guys , but check the arrow out on my injector timing , you will notice it looks nothing at all like efi , im just wondering if hpt has the time set as default with no ect , just dont need to get jammed up , today will be my go at the Road Runner

Thanks
Jim

[SW1911]

I am very happy I made the change , on the support is awesom , two the tool is very powerful , thanks to all who contribute i appreciate it , see you in a bit Joe lol

[SW1911]

ok so im plugged in and my fuel pump only comes on for a milisecond , crank no start , i set the timer to 4 seconds and still have the same issue arrrrrgh

[joecar]

thanks guys , but check the arrow out on my injector timing , you will notice it looks nothing at all like efi , im just wondering if hpt has the time set as default with no ect , just dont need to get jammed up , today will be my go at the Road Runner

Thanks
JimHi Jim, it seems EFILive does not provide the Injection Timing Boundary parameter.

[joecar]

ok so im plugged in and my fuel pump only comes on for a milisecond , crank no start , i set the timer to 4 seconds and still have the same issue arrrrrghSet the timer back to stock.

( which parameter id is the timer...? )

[SW1911]

im kool , joe got everything up and working kinda kool , just no changes that i know of are being made and do you have to be on the table you want to emulate ?,,Joe i hit the flash button by accident thats why it wouldnt start doh

edit also I didnt download my tune to the tool or set a filter in RR so were off today to see what happens , its kinda kool that efi being backwards to me I built a pretty decent file truck runs good

[SW1911]

now rr is active but no changes are being made , im missing something ?not sure what

[joecar]

Post screenshots.

[joecar]

im kool , joe got everything up and working kinda kool , just no changes that i know of are being made and do you have to be on the table you want to emulate ?,,Joe i hit the flash button by accident thats why it wouldnt start doh

edit also I didnt download my tune to the tool or set a filter in RR so were off today to see what happens , its kinda kool that efi being backwards to me I built a pretty decent file truck runs goodFlash button is only applicable if the RR has actual flash (which it mpst likely does not).

[joecar]

now rr is active but no changes are being made , im missing something ?not sure whatYou should be able to make changes and see them take effect in real time...

for example, goto desired idle tables and alter idle speed.

[SW1911]

16872

[SW1911]

ok so now i have a new problem , new laptop 2 -2.0 usb and one 3.0 rr was dropping out so i switched it to the 3.0 now my scanner drops out and i get a windows error usb device not recognized ????? any help on this one

[joecar]

Use the USB2 port (you can configure the USB3 port to be USB2)... and use the older USB driver (Start->All Programs->EFILive->V8->USB Driver Manager)

[SW1911]

ok , new news , im dropping out on my scanner now , like every 30 seconds on every computer I have 4 of them all configured the same , this is very frustrating , if I unplug it from the usb port it will come back for 30 seconds and the worst part is im right in the middle of a file a very important one , joe thanks but im not sure what driver to use there are three choices ,,,, im on windows 8

thanks guys
Jim

[SW1911]

tried all drives none work correctly

[joecar]

Use driver 2.2.4.

Set your USB ports to 2.0 (not 3.0).

[SW1911]

all of the other computers are and none of them worked ? stumped joe

[joecar]

You're logging with the V7 scantool and after 30 seconds it drops out of logging...?

[joecar]

In scantool, go Edit->Properties->Logging, and set "Frames (x1000)" to 50 or 100 (so the log time goes greater than 1 hour)... click Ok and restart the scantool.

[SW1911]

kool i will try that , i was told the v8 was not ready so i am on v7 thanks joe