autove help please

[garyk1970]

Well I'm learning.....I've got my efilive up and running on my turbo Silverado and I'm at the stage of autove ...
Autove is setup with my v2 and a Aem ungo wideband (I'm using plx pids.they are close) and here's my question...
I made a 35 minute log and covered a lot of cells....painstakingly covered allot of rpm/kpa....this particular log I saved while is was watching cell count before I averaged the cell count....I went back and opened the log, seen it was on cell count , switched to average cell count and now l the cells shows 10.7 to 10.8 rather than all the 0.7-2.1's I observed during the drive.....can I recover the log somehow?

[400ss]

Well I'm learning.....I've got my efilive up and running on my turbo Silverado and I'm at the stage of autove ...
Autove is setup with my v2 and a Aem ungo wideband (I'm using plx pids.they are close) and here's my question...
I made a 35 minute log and covered a lot of cells....painstakingly covered allot of rpm/kpa....this particular log I saved while is was watching cell count before I averaged the cell count....I went back and opened the log, seen it was on cell count , switched to average cell count and now l the cells shows 10.7 to 10.8 rather than all the 0.7-2.1's I observed during the drive.....can I recover the log somehow?


I think you need to explain more your setup,, what year? Custom operative system? MAF or mafless?? pid list, post your tune, your log

[garyk1970]

That's a joke? Its a issue saving and recovering a log. Not a tune issue. I'll record another log in the morning and hopefully save it correctly this time.

[400ss]

Ok. Sorry.
If you did the log and save it. How can the data of the log changue? Maybe the data input of the ve map is what changued?

[garyk1970]

No problem, i figured you didnt unerstand the issue....im not the best at relaying and writing my issues.......if I save while watching the cell count before clicking the average (x) tab, it corrupts the file somehow?

[joecar]

Didn't you save the log to a file...? Post the log file here.


Also post a screenshot showing what you now see...


it seems to me you were looking at a BEN map, and now are looking at an AFR map


and now l the cells shows 10.7 to 10.8 rather than all the 0.7-2.1's I observed during the drive

[joecar]

Also, what model AEM wideband do you have...?

[joecar]

No problem, i figured you didnt unerstand the issue....im not the best at relaying and writing my issues.......if I save while watching the cell count before clicking the average (x) tab, it corrupts the file somehow?It shouldn't...

[400ss]

First you select the pids right? Then you do the log. Then stop the log and save it. When looking on the map you did you can changue the to view cell count or average of the input data

[400ss]

I doesnt corrupt thelog

[garyk1970]

Joe;
I did save the log/file....I'll post up the info in the morning.... (I have better internet at work). I'm not sure what model arm...its only 6 months old with the gage....I have the 5v+ and a ground hooked up to Adv1 input and set pids to plx .....its off but I've been adjusting my counts...I'm just trying to get the tune in the ballpark and learn....
After I open the log file, no where can I find the page on the map to copy and paste to my ve....

[garyk1970]

First you select the pids right? Then you do the log. Then stop the log and save it. When looking on the map you did you can changue the to view cell count or average of the input data



Yes, I've successfully logged and pasted to my he several times.....just my best log is corrupt and was hoping to recover it....
Joe: I know its not afrs....I'm not sure what the 10's are from? I know I didn't follow the instructions and it happened....it happened a few times....no matter what I do while viewing the log, can I get the 0.8-1.2's to come back

[johnv]

I think you must have just opened the wrong Map, click on the MAP tab, then click on the A B C D E F G .... to display the different saved Maps,
you want the Ben Map so you can paste and multiply in your VE table.

[garyk1970]

No other maps made yet...when I try to copy and paste to my ve, they all read 500.....
This happens after I save a log and reopen it....

[400ss]

Copy with labels and paste and multiply with labels

[joecar]

No other maps made yet...when I try to copy and paste to my ve, they all read 500.....
This happens after I save a log and reopen it....What does the map look like (post screenshot)...?

When you paste, do you paste-multiply...?

[joecar]

Are you trying to follow the AutoVE tutorial...?

If so, then there are a few things you need to address:
- PE Enable needs to be edited to enable easier,
- OL STFT trimming needs to be disabled (B4205),
- log GM.EQIVRATIO instead of GM.AFR;

also things will be easier if you do the following:
- use EQR for fueling units (rather than AFR),
- use g*K/kPa for VE units;

To see examples of maps, look at post #1 of the Calc.MAFT thread (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?16413-Calc-MAFT-correcting-VE-and-calculating-MAF-%28in-single-log%29-gt-reverse-of-Calc-VET)... this is an updated AutoVE (ignore the part about calculating/pasting the MAF table)... you can tailor it to use only wideband.

[joecar]

Post your calc_pids.txt file (from the User Configuration folder).

[garyk1970]

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[garyk1970]

ok...i think ive got it...

[garyk1970]

my tune is here;

cos3
sd
4.8, cam,heads,turbo, intrercooler,80 lb injectors
4l80e


dont laugh too hard...im learning...boost ve table has not been worked on, only been to 2-4 psi

[garyk1970]

I haven't worked non high rpm on the base ve table either.... I'm slowly getting to boost...as you'll see I'm not ready to turn the truck loose....

[5.7ute]

Post the log file as well.

[garyk1970]

Post the log file as well.

See post 21.

[garyk1970]

Post the log file as well.

See post 21.......sorry that's the tune....nowhere close to a 3/4 to wot run....

[joecar]

We're not laughing... we want to get you going...

[joecar]

What year/model/vehicle...?

What mods...?

What injectors (flowrate @ rated pressure)...?

Is your FPR manifold-referenced or not...?

Did you measure rail pressure (if manifold-referenced, temporarily remove reference hose while measuring)...?

MAF or MAF-less...?

Front NBO2 sensors...?

[joecar]

Hmmm....

what happened to HO/LO spark tables...?

shift pressure tables are maxed out...?

[garyk1970]

Thanks, I've had no help other than here and reading a lot....I appreciate the help.

1999 regular cab Silverado
2010 4.8 (lingenfelter 58x module)
411 ecm
4l80e built trans w/ptc l/u tc 3000 stall
Ported heads. Ls7 valve springs..ls9 can
Gapped top rings .0028"
Trick Performance front mount turbo kit and front mount intercooler.
Walbro 450 fuel pump and hot wire kit
Aem ungo wideband
80 lb surefire injectors
Will add alky when tune gets past 15 psi...

I own a Automotive repair shop... I specialize in auto electrical for 29 years....

[garyk1970]

On injectors the best I can calculate is 102lb or 12.08cc.
Fuel pressure is high 70 and I choose unreferenced.I unplugged the regulator to eliminate any possible vacumn failure.
Mafless SD cos3 tune.
There's two o2 sensors and a wide band on the down pipe...

My concern is my fuel pressure, one o2 is on the drivers header, other is in downpipe too.

[garyk1970]

Hmmm....

what happened to HO/LO spark tables...?

shift pressure tables are maxed out...?



I don't know??

[garyk1970]

Shift pressures are a result of trying to firm up the shifts....the torque converter I have makes the trans feel real soft.....the trans can't hit hard enought to bother me....

[5.7ute]

First things first we need to look at the log file to see if we can see what is going on.
Is your wideband running analog or serial connection?

[garyk1970]

My wideband is analog....I have the 5v out and a ground connected to the adv1 input on the bottom of the v2.
I have it set wrong to a plx wideband for testing just to get me started , So it reads off...my gage shows 12.2, the plx pid will show 12.7...
I will log a drive tomorrow... Any particular instructions? Idle, drive, wot burst?

[garyk1970]

It gets better....my map is a duramax 3.3 bar....I've tried everything to scale it and its off...1/2 psi at least..
Now that I've got live data setup, I can work on that too...its not gonna be right till I address these issues.....
Efilive is a lot to get at first...and like I've said I've never been around it before and no one to help me.

[garyk1970]

Thanks guys, 10:30pm here in Georgia....I'll check back in the morning.

[joecar]

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First 2 pics show the wrong BEN pid... if you got serial comms between the AEM and the FSV2, then then BEN pid will be CALC.WO2BEN (found in the calc_pids.txt file from post #1 of the Calc.VET or Calc.MAFT threads).

The 4th pic indicates you pasted using the map cell counts... when looking at a map, the n button is the cell counts, and the x-bar button is the cell average value.

[joecar]

On injectors the best I can calculate is 102lb or 12.08cc.
Fuel pressure is high 70 and I choose unreferenced.I unplugged the regulator to eliminate any possible vacumn failure.
Mafless SD cos3 tune.
There's two o2 sensors and a wide band on the down pipe...

My concern is my fuel pressure, one o2 is on the drivers header, other is in downpipe too.Are the injectors rated to flow 80 lb at 43.5 psi (3-bar)...?

For boost you will have to run a reference hose to the FPR because in the 411 tune files the IFR does not extend into boost...
Can't you run some heavy duty fuel hose and clamp it to the FPR and MAP nipples...?

MAF-less, ok.

Do you have exhaust manifolds or headers...? So the NBO2 sensors are one per bank...? Does the wideband get sufficiently hot...?

[5.7ute]

You are certainly jumping in at the deep end starting with a boosted tune.
Do you have the voltage output info for your wideband so that a calc pid can be made to correctly log the data.(if it isn't supported) All your ducks should be in a row before you start or you will end up chasing your tail & getting frustrated rather quickly.
Injector data is also one of the most important things to get correct before you start.

[joecar]

Oh, I thought you got serial comms going, sorry...

which model AEM UEGO...?

[5.7ute]

X2 with the boost referenced regulator.

[joecar]

I don't know if that MAP sensor is suitable...

[garyk1970]

Also, what model AEM wideband do you have...?

aem 35-8460 wideband with gage...

[garyk1970]

Are the injectors rated to flow 80 lb at 43.5 psi (3-bar)...?
\yes. my fuel pressure is high also...70 psi static...probably a return line issue

For boost you will have to run a reference hose to the FPR because in the 411 tune files the IFR does not extend into boost...
Can't you run some heavy duty fuel hose and clamp it to the FPR and MAP nipples...? yes, i can reconnect....no problem..

MAF-less, ok.

Do you have exhaust manifolds or headers...? So the NBO2 sensors are one per bank...? Does the wideband get sufficiently hot...?
drivers manifold is stock...passenger manifold is trick performance stainless cast manifold (turbo mounted on it)with NO o2 spot....the passeger o2 is in the down pipe...the wideband is in the down pipe...both are 18-30'' from turbo...

[garyk1970]

You are certainly jumping in at the deep end starting with a boosted tune.
Do you have the voltage output info for your wideband so that a calc pid can be made to correctly log the data.(if it isn't supported) All your ducks should be in a row before you start or you will end up chasing your tail & getting frustrated rather quickly.
Injector data is also one of the most important things to get correct before you start.

yes i have..:D im not new to turbo charging, supercharging, fast programs, or holley fuel injection...but efilive is new to me...i know the numbers to shoot for, just now how to setup the program up to get there.....
the wideband is off.....im trying to figure out how to adjust...ive had a hard time callculation my injector data...

80 lb sure fire injectors based on 43 psi
fuel pressure is 70 psi..not sure why...i think my pump is too big for stock lines
i will connect the stock pressure regulator...ive read wherte a stock 99 silverado one will work with boost.

thanks

[garyk1970]

I don't know if that MAP sensor is suitable...

is there one thats better, or a good one i can install? just was lazy, choose one that was plug and play...

[joecar]

aem 35-8460 wideband with gage...Does it have a serial comms port (is this how it talks to the gauge)...?

[joecar]

yes i have..:D im not new to turbo charging, supercharging, fast programs, or holley fuel injection...but efilive is new to me...i know the numbers to shoot for, just now how to setup the program up to get there.....
the wideband is off.....im trying to figure out how to adjust...ive had a hard time callculation my injector data...

80 lb sure fire injectors based on 43 psi
fuel pressure is 70 psi..not sure why...i think my pump is too big for stock lines
i will connect the stock pressure regulator...ive read wherte a stock 99 silverado one will work with boost.

thanksEFILive hints:
- set VE units to g*K/kPa,
- set fueling units to EQR,
- set PE sufficiently rich to be safe (and make sure it will enable),
- log GM.EQIVRATIO,
- use wideband Lambda for correcting VE and/or MAF tables (might need a calc pid for it),
- disable MAF and trims, correct VE table;
- disable VE and trims, correct MAF table;

More info, see posts #2, #4, #29, #38 in this thread: Summary Notes (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14188-Summary-Notes)

[garyk1970]

Does it have a serial comms port (is this how it talks to the gauge)...?


hello Joe;
im using the 5v out of wb and a ground connected to A1 input on the bottom of the v2...

[400ss]

There is a thread on how to correct maf and calculate ve. Inside the thread shows how to setup calc pids to use analog signal and use it with eqr and lambda. I think

[joecar]

hello Joe;
im using the 5v out of wb and a ground connected to A1 input on the bottom of the v2...Can post the AEM user manual pdf here...

[joecar]

Here is what 400ss is referring to (see post #1): Calc.MAFT thread (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?16413-Calc-MAFT-correcting-VE-and-calculating-MAF-%28in-single-log%29-gt-reverse-of-Calc-VET)

[joecar]

This is also helpful (both Calc.VET and Calc.MAFT thread refer to this also): Calc.VET Summary Notes (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?16280-CALC-VET-Summary-Notes)

[garyk1970]

Has anyone opened a log to see what's there?

[5.7ute]

Has anyone opened a log to see what's there?
Still waiting for you to post one up.

[garyk1970]

Sorry for being unclear... Has anyone figured out why when I save a autove map, then reopen that table shows invalid numbers?

[5.7ute]

No one else is having that problem, hence why we need you to post your log file to have a look.
I would be extremely confident that the problem is in your map settings, ie you are logging the wrong pids. Once we see your logs raw data we will be able to sort you out.

[joecar]

If your BEN_PLX map shows 10.7 (see post #37 above), then when you paste-multiply you will very likely exceed the VE cell max range.

[joecar]

Post log file, and the tune file that the log was taken from.

[garyk1970]

Post #20 is my pid file.....and you guys need a ve log...coming up in a couple hours when I'm at work.

[garyk1970]

Thanks again...

[garyk1970]

If your BEN_PLX map shows 10.7 (see post #37 above), then when you paste-multiply you will very likely exceed the VE cell max range.

What I'm not understanding is the numbers are .7 to 1.2.....those are normal numbers? Then I copy with labels and paste and multiply....everything works as should?
But if I simply save the log and come back, the numbers are different (10s)....sometimes I cant copy and paste right away (log on my way to work 37 mile trip)

[garyk1970]

a log file and current tune file....

[5.7ute]

There is definitely something strange going on there. The EXT.AD1 voltage pid values are getting corrupted when you save the log. (I am sure your V2 would be dead if it saw 70 volts)
I would first try doing a complete reinstall of efilive.

[garyk1970]

OK, I'm gonna do this now.

[5.7ute]

Also let us know what build number of Efilive you are using.

[garyk1970]

Last time I down loaded the lastest version on this forum.
https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25137-Update-Feb-2015

[garyk1970]

ok, i now have;

v8 8.2.2 build 270
7.5 7.5.7 build 276
boot 2.07.07 2/7/14
firmware 2.07.77

[5.7ute]

No worries. Now you will need to do another log, save & see if the EXTAD1 voltage still get corrupted. If it does we will have to kick it up the chain to get a fix.

[garyk1970]

OK...driving 40 minutes home , I'm going to log the trip....I'll report later.

[joecar]

Gary:

- is your FlashScan a V1 or a V2...?
- which wideband do you have...?
- did you connect a ground/return to the AD1- pin...?

[garyk1970]

Gary:

- is your FlashScan a V1 or a V2...?
- which wideband do you have...?
- did you connect a ground/return to the AD1- pin...?

I have the v2

Aem....model # in past post (I don't remember model#)

Yes , 5v on positive, gage ground on negative

[garyk1970]

I logged another drive and nothing has changed...after save be screen has different numbers saved than logged..

I also noticed the 70+ volts on the wide band....I'll double check everything....my gage never fluctuates.

[5.7ute]

I also noticed the 70+ volts on the wide band....I'll double check everything....my gage never fluctuates.
You do mean in the logged data after it has been saved???

[garyk1970]

Yes...before I save, on the data log map...I see numbers ranging .07-1.3....those I assume are "normal" numbers?
Then after i save the log, that same map shows 10.8 on all cells.

Before I saved, I saw 70v on the wideband log also...not sure what's going on....I'm an automotive electrical field engineer by trade....I'll monitor the v2 input....I'm sure its not 70v in...

[5.7ute]

Try just logging the EXT.AD1 pid on its own. Then check the values before & after saving.

[Blacky]

Looks like a bug with the way EXT.AD1 is being stored i the log file. Both EXT.AD1 and GM.AFR are being stored at the same byte offset in the frame. That means they will both be using the same raw value to compute their actual display value. One of them will be wrong, in this case the EXT.AD1 value will be wrong.

If you adjust the charts in V7 so that the EXT.AD1 PID is plotted with a vertical axis of 0..100 (instead of 0..5) you will see that the EXT.AD1 data is exactly the same as the GM.AFR PID's data.

I'll get a fix available for it asap.

Regards
Paul

[5.7ute]

Paul, would a work around be to use the EXT.AD2 slot instead?

[Blacky]

Paul, would a work around be to use the EXT.AD2 slot instead?

Probably not, I expect all EXT.* PIDs are being handled (incorrectly) as calculated PIDs and no data is being stored in the log file for the EXT.* PIDs. That means when the Scan Tool software tried to extract the EXT.* data from the log file it pulls the data from the first real PID in the log file. In this case its the GM.AFR PID.

Unfortunately I can't think of a workaround right now.

Regards
Paul

[5.7ute]

Logging the voltage through the EGR system like we do with the fuel pressure sender & making a calc pid should work.

[garyk1970]

Thanks for the help guys....
Paul, is this a "quick" fix or do I need to find another way to add a wideband?

I do have a empty egr circuit I could use for input. (Thanks 5.7ute)

[Blacky]

Thanks for the help guys....
Paul, is this a "quick" fix or do I need to find another way to add a wideband?

I do have a empty egr circuit I could use for input. (Thanks 5.7ute)

Hopefully I'll have a fix for it today. Which wide band are you using, ccan you use the serial interface instead of the analog voltage connection?

Regards
Paul

[garyk1970]

I'm using aem wideband and I don't have a serial plug I've been using analog input. I've been using plx pid's and the log shows .5 AFR lean(ie my wideband will show 15.2 and the log shows 15.7)...

[Blacky]

Hopefully I'll have a fix for it today.

Update:
It took most of today to find and fix the external PID issue. It was a larger problem than it first appeared. All changes are done. Testing will happen tomorrow. I expect to post an update with the problem fixed sometime tomorrow, assuming the testing all works out ok.

Regards
Paul

[garyk1970]

Nice!! Great job as always.

[garyk1970]

Any updates?

[Blacky]

Any updates?

Yes, the testing has gone well. I plan to make the update available today.
Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Any updates?

Update posted here: https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25152-Update-Feb-09-2015

Regards
Paul

[garyk1970]

Thanks again Paul...

[400ss]

im having a problem like this but with the serial wideband lambda.. take the log. save it, close it, when i reopen it does not has the data of the wideband lambda :S, i gonna try the last update

[Blacky]

im having a problem like this but with the serial wideband lambda.. take the log. save it, close it, when i reopen it does not has the data of the wideband lambda :S, i gonna try the last update

Make sure you also download and install the obdiiV7.dll attachment that is explained in Issue 5 here:
https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?25151-Known-issues-with-Feb-09-2015-release-of-the-EFILive-software-and-firmware

Regards
Paul

[garyk1970]

update;
I finally got time to play with my truck and all is well.....thanks again everyone that helped....cheers:thankyou2: