E38 PID - were working, now they don't

[99k1500]

OK guys I am not a tuner. I have a V2 and am working on a tune with a very respected tuner (Remote tune)
I sent a log in from MY 2014 Camaro L99 (E38)
All of the requested PID's were available and logged...
I applied the first remote tune.

When I now try to connect to get a new scan for updates, There are 3 PID's that are unsupported!
Air Flow Grams/Cyl - E38.APCYL_DMA
Air/Fuel Ration Commanded - E38.AFRatio_DMA
MAP Corrected VE - E38.SCALEDCORVE_DMA

My software and firmware are updated ( I am currently trying the Public Beta, in an effort to figure this out. I was on the previous version before) Currently V7.5.7(285)

OS
12656198
Calibration
12656197

Is there a rhyme or reason as to why I was able to log this data two times ( I saved the original tune) And now I can't?

I have deleted the PID VML and VPD file and had the software recreate them.

Are these PID's in anyway connected to the dashboard.... My first two logs had a default dashboard that was showing metric information. (Grasping at straws)

Thanks

[ScarabEpic22]

Have you rescanned the Supported PIDs? Connect to the vehicle using V7.5 Scan and click Info->Validate PIDs. The Scan tool will repoll the ECM and detect all Supported PIDs and make them available for scanning.

[99k1500]

Yes I have tried this, multiple times.. also from what I understand deleting this files forces effusive to rescan and recreate the PID compatibility.
I don't know for sure that the first few logs contained valid data. I just know that I did not get the error, and there "seems" to be valid data on the first few logs.

[joecar]

Also...try this:

in scantool do:
- File->Select Controller, and select your controller,
- File->Enter VIN, and enter your VIN,
- File->Connect,
- go look at the Console tab (do Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, and paste it in a reply to this thread),
- Info->Validate Pids,
- go look at Console tab again,
- on pids tab uncheck Supported, and set System to All.

[99k1500]

Also...try this:

in scantool do:
- File->Select Controller, and select your controller,
- File->Enter VIN, and enter your VIN,
- File->Connect,
- go look at the Console tab (do Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, and paste it in a reply to this thread),
- Info->Validate Pids,
- go look at Console tab again,
- on pids tab uncheck Supported, and set System to All.

12:09:23.490: Request VIN...
12:09:23.559: VIN: 2G1FK1EJ1E9******
12:11:12.346: Request VIN...
12:11:12.420: VIN: 2G1FK1EJ1E9******
12:12:50.202: Disconnecting ...
12:12:50.638: CAN-VPW Bridge Deactivated
12:12:50.639: Disconnected
12:12:50.857: Loading generic configuration file: sae_generic.txt
12:12:50.857: User defined calculated PIDs file: calc_pids.txt
12:12:50.858: Enhanced configuration file: gm_enhanced.prn
12:13:06.863: Scanning for EFILive FlashScan V2 HAPI
12:13:06.874: Autodetect interface ...
12:13:06.990: Interface firmware version: 2.7.82
12:13:06.991: Connection to [FSV2] interface is OK
12:13:06.996: CAN-VPW Bridge Activated
12:13:07.052: Current protocol set to: "ISO 15765 CAN"
12:13:07.053: Autodetect ECM...
12:13:07.076: Connection to ECM is OK
12:13:07.081: Current protocol: "ISO 15765 CAN"
12:13:07.187: USB driver version: 2.8.40
12:13:07.188: USB library version: 3.2.7
12:13:07.193: Interface firmware model: FSV2
12:13:07.198: Interface firmware version: 2.7.82
12:13:07.203: Interface firmware date: Apr 10, 2015
12:13:07.207: FlashScan serial number: 003807695122
12:13:07.212: FlashScan license number: 003807695122
12:13:07.330: Request VIN...
12:13:07.395: VIN: 2G1FK1EJ1E9******
12:13:07.496: Request operating system...
12:13:07.508: Operating system: 12656198
12:13:07.734: Loading generic configuration file: sae_generic.txt
12:13:07.735: User defined calculated PIDs file: calc_pids.txt
12:13:07.735: Enhanced configuration file: gm_enhanced.prn
12:13:08.525: Request VIN...
12:13:08.589: VIN: 2G1FK1EJ1E9******
12:13:08.698: Request operating system...
12:13:08.707: Operating system: 12656198
12:13:08.728: Validating PIDs...
12:13:09.181: Validating Modules...
12:13:09.194: Initialising PIDs...
12:13:09.403: Initialising Modules...
12:13:09.403: Ready.

[99k1500]

My tuner let me know...
The first log had the parameters, but they were showing "bunk" data. It's not a big deal, the only one missing is the E38.APCYL_DMA... Unfortunately, it is the most important, but I can make do without it.

I just wanted to know if this was the norm or if others had this issue.

[99k1500]

Is it reasonable to think that my operating system does not support those 3 PID's? Any other Ideas?

[SPi]

I am having this exact same issue with that PID on E38's. I think it has only happened since the update that was offered before the latest one. Anyone else having this issue?

[99k1500]

That seems to be the time I had an issue... Not sure the data I got was valid but there was DATA... Just tried the July 31,2015 Pre-Release.... No change for me. Still can't log those three PID's

[Blacky]

OK guys I am not a tuner. I have a V2 and am working on a tune with a very respected tuner (Remote tune)
I sent a log in from MY 2014 Camaro L99 (E38)
All of the requested PID's were available and logged...
I applied the first remote tune.

When I now try to connect to get a new scan for updates, There are 3 PID's that are unsupported!
Air Flow Grams/Cyl - E38.APCYL_DMA
Air/Fuel Ration Commanded - E38.AFRatio_DMA
MAP Corrected VE - E38.SCALEDCORVE_DMA

My software and firmware are updated ( I am currently trying the Public Beta, in an effort to figure this out. I was on the previous version before) Currently V7.5.7(285)

OS
12656198
Calibration
12656197

Is there a rhyme or reason as to why I was able to log this data two times ( I saved the original tune) And now I can't?

I have deleted the PID VML and VPD file and had the software recreate them.

Are these PID's in anyway connected to the dashboard.... My first two logs had a default dashboard that was showing metric information. (Grasping at straws)

Thanks

That OS (12656198) does not have any DMA PIDS defined for it yet.
If you managed to log those PIDs in the past it would be because the ECM had a different OS in it that had the DMA PIDs defined.
I don't have any timeframe of if/when DMA PIDs support will be added for that OS.

Regards
Paul

[ringram]

Mine used to work too on a 2007 E38 and my new 2014 E38 and now the PIDS show unsupported for me too. This includes Spark DMA pids. I think maybe something bust as it was definitely supported before.
I was going to check with another laptop, but it seems I am not alone.

[Blacky]

The DMA PIDs are defined per operating system, not per controller type. So the DMA PIDs that are already supported/defined for older E38 operating systems are probably not yet supported/defined in the latest E38 operating systems. When sending in issues related to unsupported DMA PIDs it would be good if you could include the ECM's operating system number.

Regards
Paul

[finishline]

Three years to the day and this still hasn't been resolved? Running the same operating system as the original poster and having the same issues. My customer is over 100 miles away. Anybody else?

[joecar]

Use the pids SAE.LAMBDA instead of the AFR pids

( do you need a BEN calc pid for that...? )

[finishline]

Hey Joe,

Your always to the rescue and your help is always appreciated!

I did tune it in lamda after I couldn't get the AFR working.

The problem I still had was I needed the pid E38.APCYL_DMA for my spark tables.
That's the heading at the top of my spark table that allows me to track across my
spark map with my logged file.

What I just can't understand is why EFI Live Developers can't incorporate these pids into our software
after someone has made them aware of their short comings. The same goes with the cax files for transient
fueling. Everyone knows how important those are with the big injectors everyone is running on their
turbo cars these days. A lot of us can't write a cax file and really that's what we are paying the developers to do.

I'm off my soap box now. Just wanting my EFI Live Tuning Software to let me tune cars the way it was designed.

Thanks for your help Joe. If you have a workaround for the air flow pid i'm interested.

[joecar]

I know some pids/tables are hard to find.



I'll take look to see what cax's I have;

and I'll look at my list of calc pids for an E38 airflow pid (based on VE) (might have to calculate it).