HELP: ECM DEAD after CSP5 Upgrade!

[EverydayDiesel]

I just got my csp5 in today so i followed the guide for the 6.7L cummins CM2100A.

Upgraded fine, flashed fine, went to start the truck and no dice. Edge doesnt recognize it as a dodge, cant reflash (says ignition isnt on even though it is)

What are my options?

[Road]

When you load your stock read into the V8 software does the bootloader say ok to flash?

[EverydayDiesel]

The original file says B9999 Tune File Analysis ok to flash.
The CSP5 file doesnt have anything there.

[2007 5.9]

Did you run the bootloader patch first? Did you get a $0340 error

[EverydayDiesel]

No errors thrown.

I dont know anything about a bootloader patch?

Is there anything I can do with this ECM?

[Road]

No errors thrown.

I dont know anything about a bootloader patch?

Is there anything I can do with this ECM?
What year model and OS?

[EverydayDiesel]

ECM: Cm2100
Engine: 6.7l
Year: 2007.5
OS: 11551035

[Road]

ECM: Cm2100
Engine: 6.7l
Year: 2007.5
OS: 11551035
Try flashing this one in it and see if it will start. Its for a automatic

[EverydayDiesel]

thanks but it tells me

Executing: C:\Program Files (x86)\EFILive\V8\Config\CMC_F.obj
Virtual Machine Started
Script Loaded
Script Verified
Please: Wait...
Script exited with code $0549: Ignition is switched off.


The ignition is on, efi live usb is hooked to the computer, the other end is hooked up to the odbii port

[Road]

thanks but it tells me

Executing: C:\Program Files (x86)\EFILive\V8\Config\CMC_F.obj
Virtual Machine Started
Script Loaded
Script Verified
Please: Wait...
Script exited with code $0549: Ignition is switched off.


The ignition is on, efi live usb is hooked to the computer, the other end is hooked up to the odbii port
The only other thing I know of is disconnecting the batteries for a little while

[EverydayDiesel]

Took the negative batterys cable off the truck. Turned the key to drain the ecm. I will let it set overnight and see what happens. Thanks for helping!

[EverydayDiesel]

Battery reset did not work. I tried to flash with smarty jr but it didnt work. Also tried efi live but failed

[EverydayDiesel]

Well I suppose the ecm is dead. Anyone know where i can get a CM2100A for cheap?

[Road]

Well I suppose the ecm is dead. Anyone know where i can get a CM2100A for cheap?
Dang smarty. Did you start with a known good file?

[EverydayDiesel]

Sure did. Got the clean file off tune file depot.

[Road]

Sure did. Got the clean file off tune file depot.
So the stock file programmed but the DSP5 failed?

[EverydayDiesel]

Yes I was able to flash stock and modified from file tune depot all day (at least 10 times) same base file 'ok to flash' but with upgraded csp5 conversion it failed. No errors were given before during or after the flash. Wait for countdown. Turn ignition on to start and it is completely dead

[cindy@efilive]

Hi Justin,

I answered your PM, however I have understood the sequence of events between this thread and our PM to be different. I got the impression that the truck had a smarty on it, you returned it to stock and then converted that file for CSP, and flashed it into your truck because it said 'Ok to flash'

But I get the impression here you used a file from the tune file depot to convert to CSP rather than your smarty 'stock' tune.

The CSP document says

If the truck has had a different tuner on it in the past (i.e. not EFILive) then the conversion process may fail. EFILive highly recommends Customers source a good known base file for CSP5. This may involve either a dealer flash, or obtaining a suitable file from your chosen tuner.

EFILive cannot always detect the presence of other tuners in files, if a situation occurs where EFILive's modifications 'clash' with other tuners modification it might result in a bricked 'brain dead' ECM that cannot be recovered.

I think I'm going to change the document to add NEVER convert a base file that may contain traces of a previous tuner. ALWAYS start with a clean base file.

Your ECM is dead - dealer software will not recover the ECM. You need a new ECM. If the new ECM contains RSA encryption, you'll find the patch files in your software installation in the directory C:\Program Files\EFILive\V8\Installation Defaults\Tune\CMC

Cheers
Cindy

[cindy@efilive]

Justin, can you please email me the tune file that caused your ECM to brick.

We will download both OS 11551035 files from the tune file depot and compare the back end data to the file you submit.

Cheers
Cindy

[EverydayDiesel]

Hi Justin,

I answered your PM, however I have understood the sequence of events between this thread and our PM to be different. I got the impression that the truck had a smarty on it, you returned it to stock and then converted that file for CSP, and flashed it into your truck because it said 'Ok to flash'

But I get the impression here you used a file from the tune file depot to convert to CSP rather than your smarty 'stock' tune.

The CSP document says

If the truck has had a different tuner on it in the past (i.e. not EFILive) then the conversion process may fail. EFILive highly recommends Customers source a good known base file for CSP5. This may involve either a dealer flash, or obtaining a suitable file from your chosen tuner.

EFILive cannot always detect the presence of other tuners in files, if a situation occurs where EFILive's modifications 'clash' with other tuners modification it might result in a bricked 'brain dead' ECM that cannot be recovered.

I think I'm going to change the document to add NEVER convert a base file that may contain traces of a previous tuner. ALWAYS start with a clean base file.

Your ECM is dead - dealer software will not recover the ECM. You need a new ECM. If the new ECM contains RSA encryption, you'll find the patch files in your software installation in the directory C:\Program Files\EFILive\V8\Installation Defaults\Tune\CMC

Cheers
Cindy

Sorry for the confusion, please let me clarify

I ran a smarty jr for many years on the truck.
Recently I purchased efi live.
I returned the smarty jr tune on the truck back to "stock"
Then I got a tune from tune file depot, changed the vin and loaded the tune (with some deletes)
This past friday I got a CSP5 switch in the mail.
I took the tune that I got from tune file depot that was "ok to flash" and had flashed ok, followed the CM2100A guide to converting the file to CSP5.
Once converted I saved as to a new file name and closed efi live.
Then I opened the newly saved file and flashed it to the truck.
No errors were during the conversion of the file to CSP5, during or after the flash.
I went to start the truck and it did not turn over, the truck sits dead in the drive way.


I have heard of people getting the dodge dealership to try and flash the ecm with no luck.
A good friend of mine works as cummins and believes he can force the firmware onto the ecm but we will not know until a few more days.
The dodge dealership uses handshaking methods to communicate to the ecm to verify it is the correct ecm that it is flashing, since the firmware is garbage or blank it cannot begin this handshake.
I am told that the cummins way starts at the first address and keeps writing the data (including the boot loader) We have not tried this yet but we will know in a few days.
The problem with this is that it will be the latest revison which will have the RSA encryption which you have told me that we can patch.

As a backup plan do we have a good source of CM2100A ecm's? I would like to have one as a backup in case this ever happens again.

I appreciate your help on this but unfortunately I do not have your email address. Do you want the base tune that I downloaded from tune file depot or do you want the CSP5 converted file?

[cindy@efilive]

Thank you for the clarification. Can you please email me the CSP converted file you flashed into your ECM. My email address is [email protected]

I'm sorry I don't have a source of replacement ECM's, but you could try SoCal Diesel and see if they have any.

Cheers
Cindy

[EverydayDiesel]

Thank you for your help. I emailed the file.

Also when I get another ecm for this truck, will that cost me another license?

[GMPX]

Replacement licenses are given if you need to get another ECM (just show proof of purchase).
I just flashed your tune in to our bench ECM and it is fine, still working 100% so the converted CSP5 file you sent in appears to be ok.

[EverydayDiesel]

Well it flashed fine on my truck but only when I go to start it is there a problem. Either way I hope it was just a fluke and wont happen again.

One thing that happened in the middle of flashing is that my wife opened the passenger door while it was flashing. I'm not sure if this could have caused this but I will for sure be locking the doors from now on when I flash

[GMPX]

What do you mean 'a problem' ? "Dead ECM" to me is no longer able to communicate with the ECM. Did you try just putting the stock tune off Tune Depot in it?

[EverydayDiesel]

I mean it appeared to flash fine for me. No errors or anything out of the ordinary. It was only until I went to start the truck when I noticed the ecm was dead. I checked all the fuses. I am not able to flash anything now. When I go to read write any tune It tells me the ignition is turned off.

[EverydayDiesel]

If I may make a suggestion for something to work on for the future. I would like to see maybe a seperate function or program that forces a write at every segment including the boot loader which would be used as a last resort. If you needed help writing this I can help out as it would definitely be C or even assembler required to do so.

Just a suggestion. I appreciate your help with this.

[GMPX]

Right ok, I thought you meant the ECM was still ok but the truck wouldn't start.

[Road]

I mean it appeared to flash fine for me. No errors or anything out of the ordinary. It was only until I went to start the truck when I noticed the ecm was dead. I checked all the fuses. I am not able to flash anything now. When I go to read write any tune It tells me the ignition is turned off.
Have you tried to communicate with ant other modules on the truck? It is starting to sound like you have a power problem. Even if the ecm is bricked I would think you would get some other message beside turn the key on.

[EverydayDiesel]

Replacement licenses are given if you need to get another ECM (just show proof of purchase).
I just flashed your tune in to our bench ECM and it is fine, still working 100% so the converted CSP5 file you sent in appears to be ok.


I ordered another ECM from a salvage yard for 350.
In hind sight how can we determine what went wrong so it does not happen again?

When I get this ecm, I do not know if it had a programmer on it or not. So what is the best thing to do in this situation? Download the same file from tunefiledepot and load it on there? Then do a full read and use that one?

Do you think my wife opening the door could have caused this bricking?

I am just trying to determine what happened so I dont have to pay another 350.

[EverydayDiesel]

Have you tried to communicate with ant other modules on the truck? It is starting to sound like you have a power problem. Even if the ecm is bricked I would think you would get some other message beside turn the key on.

I am not sure how to be honest, efi live only communicates with the ecm as far as my knowledge.
I have two brand new batteries from odyssey (PC2150) so I doubt the are the problem.

[EverydayDiesel]

Am I suppose to have the csp5 switch plugged in when I flash??? I didn't do this and I didn't see anything in the cm2100 doc but a pass through and non pass though versions are available so it only makes sense that it would not be needed.

For this next ecm do I plug it in when flashing?

[GMPX]

Best to have the CSP5 switch unplugged when flashing.

[EverydayDiesel]

Ok that's what I did in the first place. I am just trying to figure out what went wrong so I don't do it again. To make a mistake is to learn but to not learn from your mistakes is called stupidity


Could opening the door during a flash cause it to fail like this?

[Road]

Ok that's what I did in the first place. I am just trying to figure out what went wrong so I don't do it again. To make a mistake is to learn but to not learn from your mistakes is called stupidity


Could opening the door during a flash cause it to fail like this?
If it was me I would have that used ecm flashed with dealer tools first. You have no ideal what is in it now and would be bad to brick another one.

[GMPX]

I have no explanation for what went wrong, the only time this happens is when Smarty does a 'return to stock' but it actually doesn't do it. Then CSP5 upgrades are patched over the (non) stock file and the result is a disaster.
But with the files you sent in it would appears none of them were modified by anything else before.

[2007 5.9]

I have no explanation for what went wrong, the only time this happens is when Smarty does a 'return to stock' but it actually doesn't do it. Then CSP5 upgrades are patched over the (non) stock file and the result is a disaster.
But with the files you sent in it would appears none of them were modified by anything else before.

He wasnt working with a "Read"...so the state of the ECM was unknown before he flashed the "Clean File" in from the interwebs....

Is it possible that the "Return to Stock" from Smarty failed to remove properly, then since he didnt read the ecm, the condition of the ecm was unknown, so when he flashed the other file in, it went that way of the Dodo?

[EverydayDiesel]

He wasnt working with a "Read"...so the state of the ECM was unknown before he flashed the "Clean File" in from the interwebs....

Is it possible that the "Return to Stock" from Smarty failed to remove properly, then since he didnt read the ecm, the condition of the ecm was unknown, so when he flashed the other file in, it went that way of the Dodo?

I am under the impression that the file from tune file depot is the full tune? I had that one loaded on the ecm about a week before the csp5 upgrade.

[EverydayDiesel]

I have no explanation for what went wrong, the only time this happens is when Smarty does a 'return to stock' but it actually doesn't do it. Then CSP5 upgrades are patched over the (non) stock file and the result is a disaster.
But with the files you sent in it would appears none of them were modified by anything else before.

If i take one of the tunes below and flash it via EFI live, is that the same as the dealer flashing it? What if the guy who had this ecm previous to me had a tuner? Would an immediate flash of one of the stock files clear all of that out?

http://www.tunefiledepot.com/calibrations/stock/Dodge/2007%20Dodge%20Ram%20Truck%20Automatic%20ISB%206.7 %20Litre%20(11720809-72351435).ctz
2007 Ram Truck Automatic 6.7 Litre (ISB) 11720809 72351435 (ECM) CMC 1.4 M

http://www.tunefiledepot.com/calibrations/stock/Dodge/2007%20Dodge%20Ram%20Truck%20Automatic%20ISB%206.7 %20Litre%20(11551035-55350435).ctz
2007 Ram Truck Automatic 6.7 Litre (ISB) 11551035 55350435 (ECM) CMC 1.4 M

Do you recommend one of those tunes over the other? I used the 553 in my old tune because it matched what was in my initial read with smarty (this read was not ok to flash so I did not use it)

[2007 5.9]

I am under the impression that the file from tune file depot is the full tune? I had that one loaded on the ecm about a week before the csp5 upgrade.

Ohhhh so you had already been driving on a EFI flashed file for a week, then performed a csp update then everything went south....

Then I'm truly lost as to why your ecm decided to take a dirt nap

[EverydayDiesel]

So I just installed the ECM from the junk yard.

I got the tune from file tune depot.
First time I flashed (that tune nothing edited except vin in the calibration box) it failed with checksum error
Tried it again and it worked.

The truck starts but runs for about 5 seconds and then shuts off.
Edge says code P0513 invalid skim key.

Then I go into ECM Options --> Parameters and disable B9905

During this flash I have to keep trying (3rd time is a charm)

Now the truck starts but these lights are on
1. Air bag light
2. Security light (red dot bottom right)
3. ABS Light

What is causing these lights?

EDIT: I have checked the vin number about 10 times, and it is correct in efi live.

[Mitco39]

Sounds like you need a factory tool to update/relink the other modules to the swapped ecm.

[Chris_pat05]

did you ever get this resolved?

[EverydayDiesel]

I bought a new ecm. My friend that works at cummins is still finding the cables for the CM2100.

[anarchydiesel]

You have codes present in the other modules. Hook up a good scan tool to the truck and clear all codes. Most likely it will be happy.

[Gear head]

I beleave that the first ecm could have been brought back by putting it on the bench and then forcing it into rom boot mode with bench cable. There is a way to do this with all cummins ecms. I have never had a ecm on a truck that couldn't be brought back by forcing the ecm to reboot.

[EverydayDiesel]

do you have the pinout to do a bench flash?
what program do you use to load the rom?

[Gear head]

calterm but i am now in the same boat as you. I am trying to find out which pins are the ones to put it into rom boot mode. It is like foring your pc to reset. I have done this alot with class 8 truck ecms put i have the rom boot harnesses.