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rrmccabe
May 24th, 2016, 08:06 AM
I am new to EFI live and have been using HPT the last 10 years so let me start by saying its likely operator error.

I tried to follow the PDF file and do the setup. Some stuff was not correct as I dont have com in and out for Wide-02. Just Com.

Also for black box logging it talked about EFI Explorer. I have no idea what that is but assume its something that applied to older version.

I am running 7.5

After setup I am able to see the proper wideband on the V2 controller. Approximately Stoich at idle.

However when I connect and look at it in the data tab in the software its showing almost steady at 7.6 range.

My PID shows Wide band AFR 1- LC1

Can someone give me some direction. I have a million questions but trying to figured it out but would like to get scanning with AFR so I can see some familiar logs/tunes to what am used to.

ScarabEpic22
May 24th, 2016, 08:11 AM
Rich, welcome over to the EFILive side!

If you have an LC1 you should be able to run an output to either the FS V2 serial input OR the FS V2 analog input. What wires do you have on your WBO2? Innovate did change the number of wires on the LC1 a while back.

You need both EFILive V7.5 and V8 software packages. You need to use V8 to update your FS V2 firmware and it has more robust read/flash routines, new Scan tool, and the Tune tool is in development.

rrmccabe
May 24th, 2016, 08:20 AM
Thanks for welcome and FAST response. And glad to see you over here Erik. Not many TBSS guys on the site running EFI live.

I do not have V8 installed. So apparently I can install both? I think I installed V8 to start and I thought it was missing some features so went back to the other version.

Well my innovate has two serial lines. The input is terminated and I have the V2 connected to that. I also have the pro version of HPT so I have an analog output hanging under the dash to connect that. I am not using that connection.

Its been a while since I have looked at the innovate so really dont remember specific wiring.

I would think since the V2 is registering 14.7x on the LCD display I must have something correct?

joecar
May 24th, 2016, 09:00 AM
Hi and Welcome.

Go here (in particular, see post #3) Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch)

rrmccabe
May 24th, 2016, 09:07 AM
Joe "save to file Settings.dat"

Does location matter?

joecar
May 24th, 2016, 09:16 AM
Joe "save to file Settings.dat"

Does location matter?Usually here: C:\Users\<you>\Documents\EFILive\V8\Config

but it does not really matter as long as you know where it is.

cindy@efilive
May 24th, 2016, 10:29 AM
Further instructions with screen shots on setting up FlashScan can be found here

https://support.efilive.com/kb_article.php?ref=8371-TIPK-2770
https://support.efilive.com/kb_article.php?ref=6659-YAHB-3781

Cheers
Cindy

rrmccabe
May 24th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Thanks everyone. The reason I asked about location was with 7.5 I was trying to save dashboard layouts to my one drive folder. It did not like that. No errors and acted like it saved however it was not working. I do major work from desktop and try to pickup files from one drive on notebook. Was not liking it.

rrmccabe
May 24th, 2016, 11:31 PM
LOL, will be a few more days before I can get back to this.

I had cable in a strung out "bad" location since I was having a hard time getting it to work. I took the TBSS to a local restaurant last night and must have kicked it out the door attached to the LC-1 cable. Drug it until it pulled off the EFI cable and null adapter.

LC-1 cable is going to be fine however the EFI live and null adapter is gone !

ScarabEpic22
May 25th, 2016, 07:06 AM
You need both software versions, they coexist just fine unlike HPT.

V7.5- Tune tool: edit calibration, can flash using old flash engine (recommend V8 though). Scan tool: scanning, logging, etc. I'd start with this for now.
V8- Tune tool: read/flash calibration, set file/locking. Scan tool: New features and functionality. FS V2: firmware, configuration, etc. Need V8 if only to do this.

You do have both serial in/out, I believe you need to connect the V2 to the serial out so the LC1 controller outputs a signal.

rrmccabe
May 25th, 2016, 07:19 AM
I installed it last night. And the entire HPT thing is a pain. I keep separate folders of old/new so I can swap them out.

I am sure I have the wideband connection working as it reads stoich on the V2 device when running. Just not sure why its reading 7.x in the software.

Will get back on it when I get my new cable :)

Thanks Erik, appreciate the help.

joecar
May 25th, 2016, 08:55 AM
I installed it last night. And the entire HPT thing is a pain. I keep separate folders of old/new so I can swap them out.

I am sure I have the wideband connection working as it reads stoich on the V2 device when running. Just not sure why its reading 7.x in the software.

Will get back on it when I get my new cable :)

Thanks Erik, appreciate the help.The wideband serial pids are these (regardless of which wideband):
- EXT.WO2AFR1,
- EXT.WO2LAM1,
- EXT.WO2EQR1,
- EXT.WO2ST1.


( i.e. not CALC.AFR_LC11, this is for analog voltage from the LC-1 wideband )

rrmccabe
May 26th, 2016, 11:58 PM
Well my new cable should be out for delivery today. So I can get back to this.

But here is my PID file in EFI live.

I did do the firmware updates while waiting. So see how that goes.

But as I left it the thing was reading correctly in black box mode 14.x and about half that in the software.

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 02:26 AM
If you're reading serial data from the LC-1 wideband (i.e. via null modem serial cable) then do this:
- remove the pid CALC.AFR_LC11.
- add the pids EXT.WO2AFR1, EXT.WO2EQR1, EXT.WO2LAM1, EXT.WO2ST1.

( and also remember to save the pid selection list to file )

rrmccabe
May 27th, 2016, 04:29 AM
The cable came so I am back to setting it up.

I am reading AFR from the box but getting no reading from the software so I have missed something.

CALC.AFR_LC11 shows 7.x but is pretty much static value so not updating.

I deleted the above PID and added EXT.WO2AFR1, EXT.WO2EQR1, EXT.WO2LAM1, EXT.WO2ST1 which I assumed would be for the external connectors but did it anyway and saved the file and that did not do anything either.

Is there a config setting on the box that allows pass-through of the AFR data because I am reading it at the box fine.

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 04:36 AM
Did you do this:


- start V8 Scan & Tune (S&T),
- goto F6: Devices,
- goto Logging page,
- checkmark Automatically select ALL digital (serial) PIDs <-- do this for serial wideband
- checkmark Automatically select ALL analog PIDs <-- do this for analog wideband
- set Logging Speed to Fast (10-40 frames/second),
- goto Serial I/O,
- set Com Port to Wideband,
- set Wideband Type to your wideband,
- save to file Settings.dat,
- click Program,
- click Close,
- exit V8 S&T.

More Info: kb_article.php?ref=8371-TIPK-2770 (https://support.efilive.com/kb_article.php?ref=8371-TIPK-2770)


When you BBL log, these serial wideband pids will be included (they occupy zero pid channels):
- EXT.WO2AFR1 and 2,
- EXT.WO2LAM1 and 2,
- EXT.WO2EQR1 and 2,
- EXT.WO2ST1 and 2.
( these are the wideband pids, so do not log the analog wideband ADR/BEN pids )

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 04:38 AM
In the scantool on the PIDs tab, do the EXT.WO2xxx pids have a red X thru each of them...?

Post a screenshot of the PIDs tab.

rrmccabe
May 27th, 2016, 04:40 AM
No because I am not scanning with V8. I was planning on using 7.x as I understand the gauge layout better.

Is this a problem?

rrmccabe
May 27th, 2016, 05:08 AM
Looks like it is working in V8 but still not V7

Attached are a couple screen shots. The V7 does not have Xs through it and appear to be valid PIDs.

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 05:44 AM
No because I am not scanning with V8. I was planning on using 7.x as I understand the gauge layout better.

Is this a problem?You use V7 to log, but you use V8 to configure FSV2 to make those pids show up during logging.

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 05:46 AM
Looks like it is working in V8 but still not V7

Attached are a couple screen shots. The V7 does not have Xs through it and appear to be valid PIDs.The V7 screenshot shows the EXT.WO2xxx pids... when you start logging, these should show data (on the Data tab).

joecar
May 27th, 2016, 05:49 AM
With that screenshot of V7, connect to your vehicle (click green button at top left), and record (click red button at bottom center)...

on Data tab you should see valid values for the EXT.WO2xxx pids.

rrmccabe
May 27th, 2016, 12:44 PM
I think I got it. Kinda of a pain but for the most part I am there. Guess you have to setup PIDs twice. Black box and software direct? No way to do one and copy over???

One thing I am having issues with is Injector Duty Bank1/2. I was able to find the PIDs in black box but have not found them in the software PIDs.

Thanks for all your help Joe

joecar
May 28th, 2016, 06:38 AM
Yes, set up pids in FSV2 and then setup pids in V7 scantool... in V7 scantool you can do Edit->Copy for Export to V8 to copy pids which you can then paste into V8 BBL.


LS1 injector pids are these: GM.IBPW1, GM.IBPW2, CALC.INJDC1, CALC.INJDC2.


No worries.

rrmccabe
May 28th, 2016, 10:48 AM
No worries.

Thanks but do appreciate your diligence !

I will see if I can find out the duty cycle PIDs. I was not having much luck but will try again.

Everything is working perfect except for that. I was not able to find any BBL imperial pids but appears you have to add them as alternates on each one you want imperial and them left/right arrow from the device to read imperial? Assuming I did that right.

rrmccabe
May 28th, 2016, 11:12 AM
Joe, those PIDs are showing up as non supported for the E40 on mine under 7.5 yet I am able to add them in BBL.

If I uncheck the supported checkbox they are there with an X through them.

joecar
May 28th, 2016, 03:15 PM
For E40 the injector pulsewidth pids may be different, try the other ones you see (GM.INJPW1/2)... and for those you will have to edit calc_pids.txt to create DC pids.

Edit: correction: GM.INJPWB1 and GM.INJPWB2.

rrmccabe
May 28th, 2016, 11:29 PM
OK great. Will check that out. Was wondering if I would have to calculate my own.

Not a huge deal. I can pick them up on BBL mode which is probably what I am going to do most the time anyway for WOT logging.

Not sure if you can answer this question but going to ask anyway. I ended up with EFI live (and am liking it) because my latest tuner tuned the truck with EFIlive and I could not longer read it with my HPT. Is it just a newer OS that EFI recognizes and HPT does not?

joecar
May 29th, 2016, 01:04 PM
I think for E40 the pids are GM.INJPWB1/2.



The calc pids for the DC% would be: {GM.INJPWB1}*{SAE.RPM}/1200 and {GM.INJPWB2}*{SAE.RPM}/1200


I can help you edit calc_pids.txt for this.

joecar
May 29th, 2016, 01:07 PM
If your tuner used an EFILive custom operating system (COS) then HPT cannot read it (and vice-versa, EFILive cannot read HPT COS).

Any GM OS edited by EFILive is readable by HPT and vice-versa.

As far as I know, EFILive and HPT recognize all the same LS V8 tunes.

rrmccabe
May 30th, 2016, 12:00 AM
I think for E40 the pids are GM.INJPWB1/2.
The calc pids for the DC% would be: {GM.INJPWB1}*{SAE.RPM}/1200 and {GM.INJPWB2}*{SAE.RPM}/1200
I can help you edit calc_pids.txt for this.
OK, I might call on you for help. But will look for documentation to see if I can figure it out.

So I am assuming this means that custom PIDs are added via this text file and not via the software?


If your tuner used an EFILive custom operating system (COS) then HPT cannot read it (and vice-versa, EFILive cannot read HPT COS).
Any GM OS edited by EFILive is readable by HPT and vice-versa.
As far as I know, EFILive and HPT recognize all the same LS V8 tunes.

How would I know? Is this of any value?

joecar
May 30th, 2016, 04:56 AM
See C:\Users\xxxxx\Documents\EFILive\V7.5\User Configuration\calc_pids.txt

for an example, see here: cal_pids.txt (https://forum.efilive.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14575&d=1360953394)


I'm not sure, but OS id 02606494 does look like an HPT COS (it does not look like a GM OS id).

rrmccabe
May 31st, 2016, 12:25 AM
Well it did not have a custom OS from HPT. But as soon as it was tuned with EFIlive I no longer could read it with HPT.

I googled that number and it let me back to here.

https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?3831-Stock-GEN-IV-Files&p=155137&viewfull=1#post155137

The tuner said he created some tables outside of EFIlive/HPT and uploaded them with EFI Live. Wonder if that is why HPT wont read it. Not something I understand. I just want to get back to some minor tweaking.