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waggz
August 22nd, 2018, 11:48 AM
So I'm going to start data logging my car in EFILive on each run at the drag strip. What are the channels or PIDs that I need to have and look at? I want to cover items that will help tune the car across the board from engine, transmission, suspension, and so on.

Any video links on how to use the black box function that I can teach myself with?

I'm toally new to this so some step by step help would be great on how to get this going from the computer to the box. I've always had someone tune the car and I've never really played with the software.

Screen shots would be great so I can try and figure the rest out as I need to.

The car is a 2000 Trans Am street/strip car with a stock bottom end, stock head engine with a wet shot of nitrous, and all supporting mods for nitrous system. Car also has a built 4L60 transmission and ATI converter.

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:13 PM
Hi waggz,

Let's go step-by-step... first do this, see post #1 here: Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch (https://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?20699-Setting-up-a-FSV2-from-scratch)

for the pid list, you will want to include these pids:
SAE.TP
SAE.RPM
SAE.MAF
SAE.MAP
SAE.ECT
SAE.IAT
SAE.LONGFT1 and 2
SAE.SPARKADV
GM.KR
GM.EQIVRATIO
GM.DYNAIR
GM.SHIFTLAST
GM.GEAR
GM.TCCMODE
GM.TCCSLIP
GM.TFMPRS
GM.TRQENG
( if that's too many pids, we might have to drop one or two )


Which wideband are you using...?
if analog connected, then also log EXT.AD1 and/or EXT.AD2.
if serial comms connected, then also log EXT.WO2LAM1, EXT.WO2EQR1, EXT.WO2ST1.


We're going to use EQR and/or Lambda for tuning.

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:17 PM
Other question:
if car is running nitrous, we have a Custom OS that has tables for nitrous and boost...
we'll need to know the OS id # of the car's current tune (visible when you view the tune), there might be a COS for this... otherwise we can upgrade the OS to the 2002 F-car 12212156 (which has various COS's available).

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:19 PM
After you configure your FSV2 for BBL, then read post #4 at the same url.

waggz
August 22nd, 2018, 12:24 PM
I forgot to mention that the bbl is already set up, I just need to get some PIDs in there to log when I make passes. My tuner already put a custom OS in the car that flips to the nitrous tune when the system is armed.

I should have learned more about the tuning side of things and how to do stuff like this but I never had to. I haven't been able to get a hold of my tuner so I'm trying to get these PIDs loaded for me to log this weekend at the NMCA race.

I crew on Ray Litz's LSX powered drag radial car so I know some really high level concepts about data logging but nothing super specific.

waggz
August 22nd, 2018, 12:25 PM
Using an AEM wideband

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:27 PM
The pids I mentioned above are for checking engine/transmission performance.

If you need to do tuning, we will tailor the pid list accordingly (depending on VE tuning, MAF tuning, etc.).

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:29 PM
Are you connecting the AEM using analog connection to the FSV2 (the long orange socket with a row of pins)...?

( I would recommend this since the AEM updates fast )

Which model AEM...?

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:32 PM
I have to leave to commute home and eat dinner with my Mrs, so I'll check this thread in a few hours.

joecar
August 22nd, 2018, 12:45 PM
oh, from the pid list above, do this:

remove these pids:
GM.TCCSLIP
GM.TRQENG

add these pids:
GM.IBPW1
GM.IBPW2

waggz
August 23rd, 2018, 07:16 AM
oh, from the pid list above, do this:

remove these pids:
GM.TCCSLIP
GM.TRQENG

add these pids:
GM.IBPW1
GM.IBPW2

I'm not sure on the model, been in the car for a while. Right now the wideband isn't being plugged in to the flashscan, no hook up for it from the wideband. I'll have to look and see if I'm wrong there.

I,ll swap out these pids tonight when I try to make it all happen

waggz
August 23rd, 2018, 10:06 AM
The AEM wideband has a orange connector with just two wires in the connector. Where do I plug that into the flashscan?

joecar
August 23rd, 2018, 10:35 AM
The AEM wideband has a orange connector with just two wires in the connector. Where do I plug that into the flashscan?
Turn your FSV2 over and look at the back of it...

along the bottom edge, see the long/narrow orange socket...
on the label next to this socket, look for AD1+ and AD1-

wideband 0-5V signal connects to AD1+
wideband signal ground connects to AD1-


FSV2 analog socket front view.png

(https://forum.efilive.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6662&d=1258931546)FSV2 analog socket rear view.jpg (https://www.lsxmag.com/image/2015/02/img_1318gr.jpg)

waggz
August 23rd, 2018, 10:39 AM
Turn your FSV2 over and look at the back of it...

on the long/narrow orange connector label, look for AD1+ and AD1-1

wideband 0-5V signal connects to AD1+
wideband signal ground connects to AD1-

sent you a text, going to need more help than i thought.

joecar
August 23rd, 2018, 10:43 AM
I edit my post above, I made it more specific, added a pic.

joecar
August 23rd, 2018, 10:44 AM
I haven't received text or pm yet...

waggz
August 23rd, 2018, 10:59 AM
strange, just sent you an e-mail with my number in cause there was an issue

ND2RACE
November 23rd, 2019, 05:40 AM
Wow I don't get on this forum much anymore as I really only deal with the same old stuff, and then I find my buddy asking about this stuff.

For the record, it's set up on COS 5, I set it up and tuned it for him. I hadn't used BBL really at all, so I guess that's what he was trying to figure out. We did get it working. Good to know this forum is still a good working place for information unlike so many other forums at this point.

joecar
December 8th, 2019, 07:38 PM
I'm sorry, I did not see any emails (my email provider blocks @gmail and @yahoo)...

it is easier for me if you post pics and files here.