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Bruce Melton
August 9th, 2006, 01:57 AM
DTC P1514 Throttle Body Performance

Circuit Description
The PCM uses the TP, the BARO, the IAT and the engine RPM in order to
calculate an expected Mass Airflow rate. The PCM compares this value to the
Mass Airflow value and the speed density calculation in order to verify the
proper throttle operation.

Conditions for Running the DTC
* DTCs P0601, P0602, P0604, P0606, P1515, P1516, P1517, P1518 are not set.
* DTCs P1120, P1220 and P1221 are not set at the same time or DTCs P1120 and
P1220 are not set at the same time.
* The engine operates longer than 1 second.
* The engine speed is greater than 500 RPM.

Conditions for Setting the DTC
* The PCM detects that the difference between the actual airflow (MAF) and the Speed Density calculated airflow is greater than expected.
* All of the above conditions met for less than 1 second.

This goes on to suggest TB problem.
I have had this a few times since new stroker with same LS1 Shaner TB as previous modded 346. Stock MAF. It happens during full throttle first or second gear WOT which is a traction limited event. The car drops to "reduced power" which is very dramatic and dangerous. Can be cleared and normal operation resumed.
Is it possible that in this condition engine is increasing air intake too fast for the MAF ? (beyond expectation above) If so what to do?
Tune seems otherwise fine.
Thanks for your thoughts,
Bruce

joecar
August 9th, 2006, 03:15 AM
Bruce,

There are two tables that you may need to increase for your stroker (which pulls more air than stock):

C6101
C2911

Airflow is exceeding C6101 causing DTC P1514 to be thrown.

I'm not sure how C2911 is involved (maybe someone can comment here).

Cheers
Joe

SSpdDmon
August 9th, 2006, 03:16 AM
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/search.php?searchid=3739304

Bruce Melton
August 9th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Looks like I am not alone on this one. Took C6101 up 25% and will try that.

Thanks Guys.*

*Going from WOT hang on- to no power, instantaneously is no fun but it gets your attention like no other code!

Redline Motorsports
August 9th, 2006, 02:03 PM
Bruce,

I go through this all the time w/90mm TB's and greater breathing engines. You are exceeding the predicted airflow table which needs to be raised. I usually jack it 200% at first. I think if you can log the max air values AFTER you raise the table to avoid the 1514, you could remap that table. I believe this table is here as a failsafe for the ETC. If the ETC got away for some reason, the PCM will compare gms/sec vs MAP and determine if the load is wrong for the throttle opening. This is why it goes into "reduced power" mode.

Howard

Bruce Melton
August 10th, 2006, 12:57 AM
So far my "destructive testing" @1.25x stock C6101 seems to show the fix is in.

Thanks all--

joecar
August 10th, 2006, 03:34 AM
So far my "destructive testing" @1.25x stock C6101 seems to show the fix is in.

Thanks all--Cool. :cheers: