Utilizing AI to learn about writing quality delete files

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Has anyone used AI to help them learn about writing stock delete tunes. I understand all the “experienced/expert tuners” feel superior on this forum so I’m mainly talking to all the average joes that are finding their passion of diesels and diesel performance. I realize that most of the average joes that don’t have connections or “plugs” are gunna have to spend the time and money breaking shit to learn this stuff and I’m here for it. If anyone has tried the AI approach to give them guidance let me know what you found
Much appreciated “average joes” plenty thanks

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[nonnieselman]

I find its much easier/cheaper to just buy a Tune file.

[Omega_5]

AI won't help you at all, especially when it comes to custom editing.
Note that AI learns from training, usually open source material. If you can't find information on what you're looking for, public AI won't know either.
You could custom train one, but that would assume that you know what it needs in order to be trained. Which in turn asks, why bother with AI?

The guys doing this work don't just go around 'breaking shit'. We pour a lot of time and effort in to reverse engineering, and some very careful trial and error.
If you want to go down the path of proper custom editing, take a few classes on coding fundamentals and machine language.

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im not looking for cheaper and easier. im getting really interested in the operation of the ecu and truck. i want to learn how everything works and reacts. i have a badass hot tune with zero engine codes and complete functionality thats really fun (500-550hp) and now i want to learn how the cake was made because its interesting to me and pulls my attention.

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ill take a few classes in the future but for now ill stick with the tools i have. i think the information is definitely out there for the AI to pick up and give me, even if its wrong at least its something. i get that tuners dedicate their life to figuring out how to reverse engineer properly, however itd be nice to get some pointers on how to get stared so i get my truck running right. when i figure out how to tune these trucks im gunna give as much advise and knowledge to other people as possible (and not charge them for it)

[Omega_5]

So, are you wanting to learn how to make power in a diesel engine?
Or learn how to find and map out all the parameters EFI didn't map out?

Two very different things, and two very different paths to accomplish each (kind of).

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I’ve had big power before. Now I want to learn what efi didn’t include for one reason or another and how to apply those things. Not only for deletes (however that’s what I need at the moment) but for everything else. To put it simply I want full control over everything the motor does and could potentially do.

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So, are you wanting to learn how to make power in a diesel engine?
Or learn how to find and map out all the parameters EFI didn't map out?

Two very different things, and two very different paths to accomplish each (kind of).

You seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so check this out. I would like to accomplish reconfiguring the cruise control controller to run off of throttle percentage as opposed to a set mph. I know it’s “doable” lol but I haven’t heard anyone try to do it yet.

[Omega_5]

On a CM2200?
From what I can see on a quick glance, it might be custom OS territory.
Nearly every CC table is referenced to road speed. Off the top of my head, I can't even think of a way to send the torque request in place of the VSS. Let alone how it would impact every failsafe and downstream function.

Now, to your earlier comment. Everyone always wants to control everything on a controller. However, that's a lot. These modern controllers have a lot going on.
For reference, a CM2200 has about 11700 parameters in it. Not all are truly editable. But, it gives an idea of the magnitude.
Since it was part of the discussion, the dedicated Cruise Control system has about 170 editable parameters alone. When I tune a truck, if the owner requests it, I only touch 5 of those at most.
Something just don't need to be messed with.

[got boost?]

2450 controller has 17k parameters. get a good known tune file from a reputable tuner unlocked. get the stock version of that tune. buy WINols and get the appropriate ecfg (for the cummins) start learning. I did it 5-6 years ago. 2450 controller requires about 700-900 parameter changes to make a good delete file that runs well no codes. Big truck require more cause you can't block as many codes as you can in pickups.

[Omega_5]

Maybe I'm old, but I really don't get the concept of having an AI spoon feed half baked slop information.
I understand if you want to use it as a starting line. But, if you want to understand something properly, you should be diving in to the source material. First principles will always get you further.

[Jim P]

You seem pretty knowledgeable about this stuff so check this out. I would like to accomplish reconfiguring the cruise control controller to run off of throttle percentage as opposed to a set mph. I know it’s “doable” lol but I haven’t heard anyone try to do it yet.

Wasting your time. It does use throttle position, to maintain set vehicle speed

[Jim P]

AI will not tell you how to delete emissions either, at best it can describe to you what the code is doing. And as far as modifying code, it is a far deeper rabbit hole than what you think it is.

[Jim P]

Cruise control uses an equivalent pedal position, within the engine side code and within the transmission side code. In HP Tuners, I believe Warp Tuning has it as well, in the transmission parameters there is a throttle interpret table, that table is 1 out of 4 for the throttle and is used specifically for cruise control mode.

[diesellan]

IF anyone want to learnt more about cm2450b I can guide.