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RandyWS6

June 5th, 2007, 04:25 AM

I'm having problems with the cross over,Ive coped and pasted every thing i can,But i get a flashing check engine light (BUT) there's no code, Whats up with that. And between shifts (M6) i go extremely lean 19.5AFR but only between shifts ,at WOT my AFR is fluctuating from WB 12.2 to 12.9 ,The 2000 tune didn't do this at all it stade at 12.8 WB AFR and its the one i used to migrate over in the 2002 OS. I have the log file of a WOT run and the tuning files (2000) and (2002) OS. that has the 2000 OS in it. can some one look at this and tell me what the problem is. I just cant figure it out. I'm going to haft to put my 2000 tune file back in ,but i shore hate to. :nixweiss:

SSpdDmon

June 5th, 2007, 04:53 AM

The '01 and '02 f-bodies used the "DFCO M6" where as prior years didn't based on the stock tunes I have. So, DFCO turns on when you shift effectively cutting your injectors. That's why you have lean spikes during shifts.

If I have time later (really busy now), I'll see what I can tell from the logs.

RandyWS6

June 5th, 2007, 05:19 AM

O.K. i shore appreciate it.

SSpdDmon

June 5th, 2007, 05:32 AM

O.K. i shore appreciate it.
I'm sure you do... ;) :lol:

RandyWS6

June 5th, 2007, 05:40 AM

gotcha :redface:

SSpdDmon

June 6th, 2007, 11:11 AM

I'm having problems with the cross over,Ive coped and pasted every thing i can,But i get a flashing check engine light (BUT) there's no code, Whats up with that.... :nixweiss:

So, I took a look. It looks like you copied over everything you changed - not everything you can. There are way more differences than what you have. For example, below is an example of a '99 A4 vs. an '02 A4. That's just to get all of the stock tables from the '99 OS over to the '02 OS. After copying everything over stock for stock, you go and update all of the tables that you modified.

Also, it appears you have a great deal of timing - especially at part throttle. A blinking SES light is usually an indicator of a missfire. I noticed you have the Missfire detection DTC disabled. But, I'm wondering if it's bugging out because the misfire tables weren't copied over??? :nixweiss:

SSpdDmon

June 6th, 2007, 11:11 AM

Comparison summary: 08:05:59 pm, Wednesday Jun 06, 2007
Calibration comparison between 1999_Chevrolet_Camaro_LS1_4L60E_2002OS.tun and 2002_Chevrolet_Camaro_LS1_4L60E_stock (1).tun.
*Values that differ by more than 0.000001% are considered different.

B0101 "Main VE Table" 7.3398 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 18,19 inclusive."
B4901 "Charge Temperature Blending" -12.4268 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
B0201 "AIR Pump on Time" 12.2072 "CAL: 240.00 <-> ALT: 190.00"
B0304 "Baro Offset Factor" 1.0010 "Different from row 0 to row 5 inclusive."
B0702 "Catalytic Converter Low Protection Temp" -4.1016 "CAL: 1337.00 <-> ALT: 1526.00"
B0703 "Catalytic Converter Medium Protection Temp" -2.7344 "CAL: 1418.00 <-> ALT: 1544.00"
B1301 "EGR System Enable" N/A "CAL: Enable <-> ALT: Disable"
B3201 "Initial Fuel Prime" 0.1495 "Different from row 10 to row 15 inclusive."
B3319 "DFCO RPM Hysteresis" -0.0168 "CAL: 2.93 <-> ALT: 5.08"
B3320 "DFCO MAP" 0.5767 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,4 inclusive."
B3607 "Open Loop Lean Limit (Idle)" -0.3834 "CAL: 14.63 <-> ALT: 15.40"
B3610 "PE Delay RPM Bypass" -17.9690 "CAL: 3200.00 <-> ALT: 5500.00"
B3611 "PE Delay Coolant Temp Bypass (Upper)" -89.4725 "CAL: -40.00 <-> ALT: 249.83"
B3612 "PE Delay Coolant Temp Bypass (Lower)" 47.2108 "CAL: 283.93 <-> ALT: 131.00"
B3618 "PE Modifier Based on RPM" 0.1427 "Different from row 0 to row 18 inclusive."
B3616 "Normal PE Mode Enable" -18.0078 "Different from row 8 to row 18 inclusive."
B3609 "PE Delay Counter Adjustment" -0.2441 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 14,10 inclusive."
B3605 "Commanded Fuel When in Open Loop (Normal)" -0.6716 "Different from cell: 0,14 to cell: 6,16 inclusive."
B3701 "Injector Pulse Width Voltage Adjustment" 0.1368 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 27,16 inclusive."
B4001 "Injector Flow Rate" -0.0610 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
B4003 "Minimum Injector Pulse Width" 0.0152 "Different from row 20 to row 20 inclusive."
B4005 "Small Pulse Adjust" -0.0532 "Different from row 0 to row 66 inclusive."
B4203 "Closed Loop Normal Temp" 2.7784 "CAL: 167.00 <-> ALT: 158.00"
B4204 "Closed Loop Normal Temp Timer" 0.9766 "CAL: 16.00 <-> ALT: 12.00"
B3809 "RPM Boundaries for LTFT Cells" -39.8596 "Different from row 0 to row 2 inclusive."
B3810 "MAP Boundaries for LTFT Cells" 4.7628 "Different from row 0 to row 0 inclusive."
B4103 "Closed Loop Idle Throttle Position" 3.0078 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 1.99"
B4105 "O2 Switch point" -8.4597 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 1,8 inclusive."
B4111 "STFT Base Correction at Non-Idle" 7.4951 "Different from row 1 to row 8 inclusive."
B4401 "Default IAC Motor Park Position" -37.5000 "CAL: 160.00 <-> ALT: 310.00"
B4402 "Maximum IAC Steps" -13.7500 "CAL: 310.00 <-> ALT: 365.00"
B4612 "RPM Set Point Adjust in Gear" -12.1094 "CAL: 1.95 <-> ALT: 8.01"
B4613 "RPM Set Point Adjust in P/N" -12.1094 "CAL: 1.95 <-> ALT: 8.01"
B4614 "RPM Set Point Adjust Timer" -0.0916 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 0.38"
B4301 "Fan #1 IAC Correction" -0.2031 "CAL: 0.10 <-> ALT: 0.15"
B4302 "Fan #2 IAC Correction" -0.6797 "CAL: 0.20 <-> ALT: 0.37"
B4403 "IAC Effective area" 7.5000 "Different from row 8 to row 27 inclusive."
B4603 "Desired Idle Speeds" 1.1719 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 3,8 inclusive."
B4307 "Desired Airflow" -2.9694 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,15 inclusive."
B4353 "Idle Spark Control Delay" -0.4273 "Different from row 1 to row 7 inclusive."
B4304 "Startup Airflow Correction" -1.5625 "Different from row 3 to row 5 inclusive."
B4607 "Startup Decay Delay in P/N" -4.8829 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 20.00"
B4609 "Startup RPM Decay in P/N" -0.0397 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 5.08"
B4343 "Startup Friction Airflow Correction" 3.9063 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
B4344 "Startup Friction Airflow Decay" -0.0397 "Different from row 3 to row 9 inclusive."
B4345 "Startup Friction Airflow Delay" 0.0015 "Different from row 3 to row 9 inclusive."
B4604 "Startup RPM Offset" -1.1719 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 1,9 inclusive."
B4503 "Filtered RPM Airflow Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
B4504 "Airflow Learning Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
B4505 "Airflow Direct Speed Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
B4509 "Airflow Direct Speed Control Threshold" 0.0778 "CAL: 59.96 <-> ALT: 50.00"
B4511 "Startup Engine Underspeed Time Limit" -0.3662 "CAL: 3.00 <-> ALT: 4.50"
B4514 "Learned Airflow Correction" 0.0229 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 3,11 inclusive."
B4521 "Maximum Idle Short Term Correction" -1.5625 "Different from row 4 to row 9 inclusive."
B4309 "Throttle Cracker Airflow in Gear" -10.0008 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 16,11 inclusive."
B4311 "Throttle Cracker Activate Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 3.00 <-> ALT: 2.00"
B4312 "Throttle Cracker Deactivate Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 2.00 <-> ALT: 1.00"
B4313 "Throttle Cracker Decay Rate" -0.2350 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
B4317 "Throttle Follower Decay Rate in Gear" 0.0290 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 1,8 inclusive."
B5801 "Max RPM in All Gears" -100.0000 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 12799.80"
B5811 "Maximum Light On-Time" -100.0000 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 409.59"
B5913 "Spark High-Octane Table" 15.1925 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,24 inclusive."
B5914 "Spark Low-Octane Table" 14.2927 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,24 inclusive."
B5932 "Base Spark in Gear" 17.5953 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,12 inclusive."
B5933 "Base Spark in Park/Neutral" 17.5953 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,12 inclusive."
B5910 "Spark ECT Table" -6.6650 "Different from cell: 2,21 to cell: 28,36 inclusive."
B5956 "Coolant Temp Spark Multiplier" -100.0000 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 8,24 inclusive."
B5911 "Spark IAT Table" -5.5664 "Different from cell: 4,9 to cell: 28,20 inclusive."
B5943 "Spark IAT vs RPM Multiplier" 37.0117 "Different from row 3 to row 20 inclusive."
B5944 "Spark IAT vs ECT Multiplier" -100.0000 "Different from row 22 to row 24 inclusive."
B5919 "Optimal Timing" 14.4531 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 14,19 inclusive."
B5901 "Catalytic Converter Light-off" -13.3301 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 6,15 inclusive."
B5902 "Cat Light-off Temp Multiplier" 25.0000 "Different from row 4 to row 14 inclusive."
B5903 "Catalytic Converter Light-off Max RPM" 9.3751 "CAL: 3000.00 <-> ALT: 1800.00"
B5904 "Catalytic Converter Light-off Re-Enable" 6.2501 "CAL: 2500.00 <-> ALT: 1700.00"
B5915 "Minimum Spark Advance" 22.2168 "Different from row 1 to row 20 inclusive."
B5917 "Base Spark Vehicle Speed Threshold" 2.3438 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 4.00"
B3336 "DFCO Spark Timing" -5.5664 "Different from row 4 to row 20 inclusive."
B5926 "Min Coolant Temp for Spark Smoothing" 5.5568 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 14.00"
B5927 "Max Coolant Temp for Spark Smoothing" -77.7730 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 283.93"
B5928 "Min Engine Run Time to Enable Spark Smoothing" -3.6622 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 15.00"
B5924 "Spark Smoothing Limit (Closed Throttle)" -11.7245 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,0 inclusive."
B5925 "Spark Smoothing Limit (Open Throttle)" 6.2485 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,9 inclusive."
B5930 "Speeds for Spark Smoothing" -7.8127 "Different from row 0 to row 1 inclusive."
B5931 "RPMs for Enable Spark Smoothing" -8.5939 "Different from row 0 to row 1 inclusive."
B5934 "Idle Flare Control" 4.6864 "Different from row 1 to row 4 inclusive."
B5935 "Idle Overspeed Error" 6.2485 "Different from row 1 to row 9 inclusive."
B5936 "Idle Underspeed Error" -3.1242 "Different from row 2 to row 8 inclusive."

SSpdDmon

June 6th, 2007, 11:12 AM

CONTINUED
B6208 "Burst Knock Min Coolant Temp" -3.8854 "CAL: 140.00 <-> ALT: 152.59"
B6213 "Adaptive Spark Min MAP" -4.7628 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 55.00"
B6223 "Octane Scaler Threshold" -0.9277 "CAL: 0.59 <-> ALT: 1.01"
B6204 "Knock Retard Limit Not in PE Mode" 1.5450 "Different from row 5 to row 6 inclusive."
B6212 "Burst Knock Retard" 3.9139 "Different from row 0 to row 0 inclusive."
B6228 "Knock Sensor Sensitivity" N/A "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 8,13 inclusive."
B6240 "Knock Sensor Initial Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 245.00 <-> ALT: 255.00"
B6241 "Knock Sensor Minimum Learned Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 210.00 <-> ALT: 220.00"
B6242 "Knock Sensor Maximum Learned Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 245.00 <-> ALT: 255.00"
B6251 "Maximum TPS to Enable TPS Knock Mode" 40.0000 "CAL: 100.00 <-> ALT: 60.00"
B6253 "Delta TPS to Enable TPS Knock Mode" -1.0156 "CAL: 1.99 <-> ALT: 3.01"
B6254 "TPS Knock Mode Time" 3.0000 "CAL: 0.40 <-> ALT: 0.25"
B6244 "Knock Sensor Multiplier A (Cylinder Mode)" -2.3438 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 7,20 inclusive."
B6250 "Knock Sensor Multiplier TPS" -3.1250 "Different from row 0 to row 20 inclusive."
B1902 "Torque Loss from Spark Retard" 14.0234 "Different from row 1 to row 16 inclusive."
B6605 "TCS Spark Retard Torque Loss" -3.1242 "Different from row 3 to row 32 inclusive."
C6001 "Engine DTC Processing Enablers" N/A "Different from row 4 to row 172 inclusive."
C6002 "Engine DTC MIL Enablers" N/A "Different from row 4 to row 172 inclusive."
C3208 "Post-catalyst O2 Transition time - first" -6.0000 "CAL: 7.20 <-> ALT: 9.00"
C2901 "MAF High Frequency Fail 1" 2.5000 "CAL: 14000.0 <-> ALT: 13500.0"
C2903 "MAF High Frequency Fail Limit" -0.0183 "CAL: 6.00 <-> ALT: 18.00"
C2904 "MAF Low Frequency Fail 1" -6.4500 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 1300.00"
C2906 "MAF Low Frequency Fail Limit" -0.0031 "CAL: 4.00 <-> ALT: 6.00"
C2907 "MAF Test Min Engine Speed" -0.7813 "CAL: 300.00 <-> ALT: 400.00"
C2908 "MAF Test Min Run Time" 0.0000 "CAL: 0.40 <-> ALT: 2.00"
C2910 "MAF Test Max TPS" -45.0000 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 95.00"
C5602 "Misfire Detection Min Temp" -18.3417 "CAL: -40.00 <-> ALT: 19.41"
C5605 "Misfire Detection Max RPM" -23.4379 "CAL: 3000.00 <-> ALT: 6000.00"
C5608 "Misfire Detection Min Voltage" -0.3906 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 11.00"
C5609 "Misfire Detection A/C Delay" -0.0046 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 8.00"
C5610 "Misfire Detection A.I.R Delay" -0.0137 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 14.00"
C5611 "Misfire Detection Transmission Delay" -0.0015 "CAL: 6.00 <-> ALT: 7.00"
C5620 "Misfire RPM Idle Limit" 0.3906 "CAL: 950.00 <-> ALT: 900.00"
C5621 "Misfire Idle per Cylinder Mode" -44.2771 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
C5622 "Misfire Low RPM per Cylinder Mode" -49.7322 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
C5623 "Misfire Mid RPM per Cylinder Mode" -49.7322 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
C5625 "Misfire Low RPM per Revolution Mode" -47.3289 "Different from cell: 2,3 to cell: 2,3 inclusive."
C5626 "Misfire Mid RPM per Revolution Mode" 49.9565 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 24,16 inclusive."
C3901 "TPS Test Min Temp" -31.2576 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 140.00"
C3902 "TPS Test Min Run Time" -0.1678 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 120.00"
C3906 "TPS Vs RPM Test Upper" 38.6133 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
C3907 "TPS Vs RPM Test Lower" 14.6875 "Different from row 1 to row 15 inclusive."
D0902 "Part throttle 2->3 Shift Speeds" -0.3906 "Different from cell: 0,5 to cell: 0,5 inclusive."
D0903 "Part throttle 3->4 Shift Speeds" 10.5867 "Different from cell: 0,7 to cell: 0,9 inclusive."
D0907 "Part throttle 3->2 Shift Speeds" -5.4688 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
D0918 "Manual Hold Gear, 1st, 2->3 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
D0919 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 2->3 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
D0914 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 1->2 Shift Speeds" 13.6721 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
D0928 "Manual Downshift 2->1 Shift Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 38.00 <-> ALT: 37.00"
D0933 "Manual Downshift Gear 3->2 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
D1108 "Desired 1-2 Shift Times" 7.0000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
D1109 "Desired 2-3 Shift Times" 7.5000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
D1003 "TCC Apply Speeds - Fourth Gear" -0.3906 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,2 inclusive."
D1006 "TCC Release Speeds - Fourth Gear" 0.7813 "Different from cell: 0,5 to cell: 0,13 inclusive."
D2903 "TCC Solenoid Minimum PWM" -10.9989 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
D2904 "TCC Solenoid Maximum PWM" -2.0020 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
D0701 "Base Pressure 1->2 Shift" -8.5449 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,32 inclusive."
D0704 "1->2 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -2.0833 "Different from cell: 1,4 to cell: 3,13 inclusive."
D0702 "Base Pressure 2->3 Shift" -12.2884 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,32 inclusive."
D0706 "2->3 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -1.5625 "Different from cell: 2,4 to cell: 3,6 inclusive."
D0703 "Base Pressure 3->4 Shift" -7.1126 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 0,29 inclusive."
D1101 "Low Pressure Adjust 1-2 Shift" -8.3682 "Different from row 6 to row 6 inclusive."
D1107 "High Pressure Adjust" 8.3682 "Different from row 6 to row 16 inclusive."
D3801 "Force Motor Current" 12.5490 "Different from cell: 0,1 to cell: 16,16 inclusive."
D0801 "Torque Reduction 1->2 Shift" 29.9997 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
D0802 "Torque Reduction 2->3 Shift" -15.0029 "Different from cell: 0,7 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
E0102 "Transmission DTC Fault Max Pressure Enablers" N/A "Different from row 28 to row 28 inclusive."
E0103 "Transmission Failsafe Enablers" N/A "Different from row 37 to row 38 inclusive."
E0104 "Transmission DTC Fault Pressure Modifiers" N/A "Different from row 44 to row 51 inclusive."
E0801 "Slipping Trans Test Max TPS" -49.0005 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 99.00"
E0802 "Slipping Trans Test Min TPS" -10.0009 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 20.00"
E0803 "Slipping Trans Test Max Temp" -5.9471 "CAL: 265.55 <-> ALT: 302.00"
G0108 "A/C Torque Loss" -0.2350 "Different from row 0 to row 10 inclusive."
G0109 "A/C Torque Loss - IAT" 1.2589 "Different from row 5 to row 15 inclusive."

SSpdDmon

June 6th, 2007, 11:13 AM

Damn, that's a lot they changed in just 3 years. :lol:

RandyWS6

June 6th, 2007, 11:37 AM

I had to remove 0300 code, multi misfire because of my cam shaft ,this motor is not near stock, its a LS2 418cid. and nothing under the hood is stock ,the cam shaft is a Crane 250/266-650/650-112 and i never had a flashing ses light with my 2000 OS .I guess ill just put my 2000 OS back in till i figure out what I'm doing. here is a pic of my engine if would like to see it, and here is my 2000 OS tune that's in my car right now with no problem with flashing ses light. I pretty new at this ,i need a lot of learning to do. I can build the engines, but steal have a lot of learning on tuning ,There no body around here at home that dose tuning on these cars, so I'm on my own . :help2:

Thanks for the help. but you lost me.

SSpdDmon

June 6th, 2007, 11:43 PM

I didn't mean to lose you. All I was saying was.....each and every table needs to be copied over from the old, stock, 2000 OS file to a new 2002 OS file. The huge list above was a list of every table that was different between a stock '99 file and a stock '02 file.

Once you get done copying everything stock for stock, then you go in and modify the tables for your setup. That way, you're starting from a stock '00 file (in an '02 OS).

RandyWS6

June 7th, 2007, 12:32 AM

So if I change the tables that you are showing like for example B0101,B4901,B0201 and so on,but for the 00 to 02 OS ,then make the changes in need with my tune .Do I Copy and past or copy with labels and past with labels. I was looking at it last night and some of the tables wont copy over, they look the same but the rows and columns are in different places or if you can i don't know how . Ive try every thing i know witch isn't much :nixweiss: ,for example >>>>>

up date ill send pics later need to make smaller

SSpdDmon

June 7th, 2007, 01:21 AM

I think it's suggested that ALL tables are updated when migrating an '00 car to an '02 OS. I don't know if it will cure your problems for sure. But, it's worth a try. There are some tables that are new and you have to use the 2002 data for. There are some tables that are gone. There are some tables that are transposed (x axis became y axis and vise versa). And then, there are some tables that look the same at first glance - but, don't have the same resolution (e.g. the Desired Idle Airflow table). That's why I copied/pasted w/ labels for all I could. By copying/pasting with labels, it helps prevent those resolution mistakes. If you have a hard time finding a table from the old OS in the new OS (e.g. some of the trans settings are in different spots), use the search box on the top left to look for the table identifier (i.e. the "B3601" number).

For the tables where the axis are transposed, you can use the tool in the tuning software to 'rotate' the data. Copy w/ labels the entire table from the old tune, hit Ctrl+Alt+Enter, click Create New Table, and then click Transpose. :D

RandyWS6

June 7th, 2007, 08:46 AM

I copied all your tables that is listed ,the only problem im having is when i uses the conversion table , I can get it to convert but it will not save the column & rows , Like B5911 (Spark IAT Table) My 2000 is in (inHg link:SAE.KPA) and the 2002 is in(Oz/Cylinder Link:GM.DYNCYLAIR_DMA) it show converted but when i go back it not save ,it goes back to (Oz/Cylinder) ,does it supposed to ?

Thimble

June 7th, 2007, 09:25 AM

For the flashing SES, I had the same issue.

The light would flash only at idle, but no code displayed. I too had the P0300 DTC disabled, but it still did it.

To fix it, adjust C5606 (Misfire Detection Min RPM) to a value higher than your idle RPM speed, it should solve the problem.
What this does is effectively shuts off misfire detection until you reach that rpm. My car idles at 900rpm, so I set C5606 to 1200rpm, and I've not seen the flashing light ever again.

:cheers:

RandyWS6

June 7th, 2007, 10:39 AM

Thanks, mine was set at 650 rpm, i set it to 1500 is that ok, i noticed that the (C5605) max was set at 6000rpm and i shift at 7200 can i set it to 8000rpm ?

Thimble

June 7th, 2007, 10:47 AM

Thanks, mine was set at 650 rpm, i set it to 1500 is that ok, i noticed that the (C5605) max was set at 6000rpm and i shift at 7200 can i set it to 8000rpm ?1500 is fine for the low end...as long as it's slightly above your normal idle speed, it should eliminate the flashing ses.

Increasing C5605 will only increase the rpm range of possible misfire detection. If you still want to keep misfire detection operable at those higher rpm's, then yes, you can set it to 8k.

:cheers:

RandyWS6

June 7th, 2007, 10:54 AM

my idle is 1000 rpm . what do you think i should set it. and ill leave the C5405 max at factory settings.

ViolatorTA

June 7th, 2007, 12:28 PM

If you didn't have the flashing SES light with the 2000 OS then you shouldn't have it with your 2002 OS. I think you're adjusting the wrong places here. I believe you need to desensitise(sp) the knock sensors and make sure the entire tune is crossed over properly. This has already been done for you and loaded on the Holdren Crazy site. Go here
http://www.holdencrazy.com/EFILive/modifiedTunes.php
and DL the 1999 Camaro tune listed as "Stock Tune Migrated To 2002 Operating System" for either Auto or Manual, whichever you have. Copy all the tables that you change in your original 2000 tune into it and you should be set.

RandyWS6

June 7th, 2007, 01:41 PM

thanks a lot , Ill install it tomorrow.

joecar

June 8th, 2007, 02:26 AM

critter

June 8th, 2007, 03:36 AM

Like SSpd said, your vehicle has 2000 hardware (engine parts, trans parts, etc),
so you must copy all the tables from the 2000 file to the 2002 tune file...

(there were various differences including intake, exhaust, cam, heads (?), transmission updates and others)

(ok, some tables are missing or are transposed, but these can be dealt with separately)

Don't assume the 2002 tables match your 2000 hardware.
:)

Then why do I keep seeing the recommendation for guys with 2000 cars to take the 1999->2002 off HoldenCrazy and use it? the 1999 and 2000 are the same but both are different than 2002 in terms of hardware? I know the 1999 and 2000 injectors are different.

BTW, not trying to be a smart ass here; just trying to understand.

SSpdDmon

June 8th, 2007, 04:38 AM

'99 and '00 had minor differences in the tunes. However, there were hardware upgrades for '01 and '02. New injectors didn't come until '01 ('99/'00 had 26-ers). The tune on HoldenCrazy should have all of the tables copied over. If it doesn't, then it needs to be brought to the admins attention so we can post one that does.

RandyWS6

June 8th, 2007, 06:21 AM

I installed the 99 to 02 OS in my 2000 WS6 with my tune today and runs o.k., might need a little tweaking ,but no flashing SES light now. thank god. as far as injectors i have svo 42 lbs. so i to change IFR it any way. but i need a better tune tho

zapp168

June 8th, 2007, 09:12 AM

You may try what I did...On Holden crazy there is a modified tune of 1999 tune migrated to 2002 OS. I am not sure if it is what you need, but it maybe closer and therefore require less copying. I used the tune to convert a 98 to a 99+ computer, my car runs real well even though it is not tuned for my mods yet (cam, headers, STS turbo).

RandyWS6

June 8th, 2007, 09:46 AM

I did the 99 to 02 OS then i copied over my 00 mod.tune ,from what i can tell every thing seems to be working o.k. But when i (hit) the throttle i get a lean spike like 16 to 19 on my WB AFR, but if i slowly get into it its does just fine with no lean spikes .What would cause this? It will do this at idle or cruse or wot. it dont matter what speed, load or rpm , But i didnt before with the 00 OS. Missing a little something. :nixweiss:

RandyWS6

June 8th, 2007, 09:59 AM

joecar

June 8th, 2007, 12:42 PM

Then why do I keep seeing the recommendation for guys with 2000 cars to take the 1999->2002 off HoldenCrazy and use it? the 1999 and 2000 are the same but both are different than 2002 in terms of hardware? I know the 1999 and 2000 injectors are different.

BTW, not trying to be a smart ass here; just trying to understand.
'99 and '00 had minor differences in the tunes. However, there were hardware upgrades for '01 and '02. New injectors didn't come until '01 ('99/'00 had 26-ers). The tune on HoldenCrazy should have all of the tables copied over. If it doesn't, then it needs to be brought to the admins attention so we can post one that does.I believe that file has all the 1999/2000 (which are the same) F-car tables copied into the the 2002 file...
Might be a good idea to sanity check it...

Yep, 2001/2002 (which are the same) are different than earlier years...
different intake, cam, heads (?), exhaust, injectors, no egr, and may have transmission hardware changes.
No one is a smartarse for wanting to learn/understand... :cheers:

ViolatorTA

June 8th, 2007, 01:31 PM

Yes, you are correct Joe. When I used it for my conversion before goig OS5 I went through it. All tables are already transferred for you so that all you need to copy/paste from your existing tune are the tables which you have changed for your tune such as Primary VE, if you've already done VE tuning. IFR, if you changed injectors. Idle and so forth. This way you don't have to sit and copy/paste every table from a 99/00 over to a 01/02. This also will allow you to convert to Custom OS's if you want to upgrade your licensing.

Randy, I too got the spike but cannot remember what I had to change. I'll look back through all my older stuff as soon as I can and see if I can figure which it was.

RandyWS6

June 8th, 2007, 01:43 PM

Thanks, I appreciate it. Im stumped :confused:

ViolatorTA

June 9th, 2007, 09:00 AM

You'll have to go through the tune in the fueling and idle areas. I forget exactly which table was skewed and can't seem to find it. What I found was a table that was supposed to be all 0's in the 2D graph but when you looked at the graph it showed all zero's but there was a spike in the graph. Still read zreo but was a spike. When looking at the numbers in the table all read 0.0 untill you hit the +00 button up top a few times. There it was, 0.0049 for example. Changed that to all zero's and all was well. I'm pretty sure it was a fueling multiplier table.