BB Logging update (March 4th)

[Blacky]

Some good things are slated for the next (and hopefully final) Black Box Logging beta update.

DMA PIDs can now be logged.

The GM enhanced PIDs are being entered into the config files.

LC-1 and LM-1 wideband serial interface is working (no more analog voltage connection issues - yay!).

PLX and FJO wideband support should follow.

Dyno integration is being added - hopefully that is ready for the next beta release as well. The first phase of this will be just to output various PIDs to a dyno so any dyno controller can log PIDs that it would not normally have access to - like commanded AFR, knock etc. The second phase will be to collect dyno data and log it in FlashScan.

The current schedule is to release the next BB Logging update, on the weekend of 15-16 March.

The screen shot below shows the AFR log from an LC-1 wide band controller. Both digital and analog AFR were captured to provide a comparison. Its a large image, in some browsers you may need to click on the image to show it at the correct resolution.

Blue is lambda,
Yellow is serial/digital AFR,
Green is analog AFR.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

And for those with "eagle eyes", yes the Console has moved from the F12 tab page to the F6 tab page and the new Dynamic Vehicle Testing (DVT) controls will be available on the F12 tab page.

Note: DVT = Bi-directional controls.

The bi-directional controls will work correctly with high speed logging.
They will be implemented over the coming months for as many supported controllers as we can.

Regards
Paul

[dc_justin]

This is all great news Paul.

Looks like I'll need to dust off my fried LC-1 and see about getting it repaired.

Keep up the good work.

[Blacky]

This is all great news Paul.
Looks like I'll need to dust off my fried LC-1 and see about getting it repaired.
Keep up the good work.

If its just the "analog out" that's fried you won't need to get it repaired.
Just use the serial connection from now on...

Regards
Paul

[dc_justin]

If its just the "analog out" that's fried you won't need to get it repaired.
Just use the serial connection from now on...

Regards
Paul

Status unknown really... I've NEVER been able to connect to it via serial, so I'm not sure what's going on with it. Not extremely happy with the PLX I replaced it with either, as the ground offsets vary daily...

[ScarabEpic22]

Awesome guys! Cant wait to see whats in store for the rest of 08, but DVT sounds very promising!

[Hyper99]

LC-1 and LM-1 wideband serial interface is working (no more analog voltage connection issues - yay!).:rockon:


If its just the "analog out" that's fried you won't need to get it repaired. Innovate was nice enough to warrant my LC-1 after it lost its mind - both channels stuck in narrow band mode/ unresponsive to programming.:frown: :rockon: Made AutoVE difficult to say the least, but works like a champ now. (although it does seem to "dance" a bit on the reported values - is there going to be a filter setting to control the sample times on the serial on the EFILIVE side?)

[Blacky]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached images.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

is there going to be a filter setting to control the sample times on the serial on the EFILIVE side?)

Yes, there already is a filter setting in FlashScan for the A/D inputs, it will work the same way for the wideband input.

We'll just need to be careful not to set the filter too high or the resulting update lag could cause incorrect BEN factors.

Notice in the screen shot that the serial data is smoother than the analog data. So that will increase the accuracy before any filters are applied.

Regards
Paul

[TAQuickness]

:D :D :D

Great news Paul!

[Beer99C5]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached image.

Regards
Paul

Any Limit to the length on the crossover cable? The serial connecter will not pass through the firewall gromment, I can pass the wires through the gromment, then attach the connector, probably be 2 meters long. Is 2 M OK for the serial port crossover?

[jay p]

How about a fix for the 6 speed Allison?

[Gelf VXR]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached image.

Regards
Paul

Theres always one!! What if you are using two LC-1's? Can they be connected at the same time?

[Gelf VXR]

Theres always one!! What if you are using two LC-1's? Can they be connected at the same time?

They can be linked in series for the LC-1 software, but will efilive log both?

[Chevy366]

Oh God that is great , no more Analog inputs for the LC-1 ! :notacrook: :jump:
I have one of the JAW's , Just another Wide-band (not assembled yet) , with a Serial out on it as well , wonder if it will work ?

[Ninety8C5]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached image.

Regards
Paul

The female 9 pin connector I have has pin 1 where you have the ground connected. From what I found on the web, the male and female pin designations are reversed. i just want to be sure which way to wire the db-9 plug.

DB9 Male and Female


http://www.zytrax.com/images/rs232_db9.gif
DB9: View looking into male connector
http://www.zytrax.com/images/rs232_db9_f.gif
DB9: View looking into female connector

[Chevy366]

Does it matter which end connects to where , one end for LC-1 and other V2 ?

[Blacky]

Any Limit to the length on the crossover cable? The serial connecter will not pass through the firewall gromment, I can pass the wires through the gromment, then attach the connector, probably be 2 meters long. Is 2 M OK for the serial port crossover?

The cable can be 50 feet long, I think that should be enough :)

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

How about a fix for the 6 speed Allison?

That's being worked on this Friday. I'm just waiting for the Allison test equipment to arrive. The Allison problem will be solved in this next beta release.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

They can be linked in series for the LC-1 software, but will efilive log both?
Yes, EFILive will log multiple* Innovate devices.

The initial relaese may only support one, but it has been set up to handle mutliple devices and the firmware will eventually support more than one.

*Limited to four Wide band devices.


Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

The female 9 pin connector I have has pin 1 where you have the ground connected. From what I found on the web, the male and female pin designations are reversed. i just want to be sure which way to wire the db-9 plug.

It was a late night, my bad. The plugs are both MALE, not female. No wonder I had trouble dating when I was at school.:frown:

I'll post new images....

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Does it matter which end connects to where , one end for LC-1 and other V2 ?

The crossover cable is symmetrical, it can be connected either way.
Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

New (corrected) images are posted in the first page of this topic.
Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Oh God that is great , no more Analog inputs for the LC-1 ! :notacrook: :jump:
I have one of the JAW's , Just another Wide-band (not assembled yet) , with a Serial out on it as well , wonder if it will work ?

If you have the data format specification that it transmits, let me know and I'll add it as a supported device to FlashScan.

Regards
Paul

[joecar]

Paul, cool... good job mate... :cheers:

[joecar]

An alternative to fabricating a cross-over cable is to slice up the LC-1 serial cable, swap and solder 2 wires, and apply heat shrink tubing or tape... doing it this way is dirt cheap.

[Chevy366]

An alternative to fabricating a cross-over cable is to slice up the LC-1 serial cable, swap and solder 2 wires, and apply heat shrink tubing or tape... doing it this way is dirt cheap.
Post some pictures of the Mod !

[Blacky]

An alternative to fabricating a cross-over cable is to slice up the LC-1 serial cable, swap and solder 2 wires, and apply heat shrink tubing or tape... doing it this way is dirt cheap.

But then you can't program or log the LC-1 from the PC.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

It may be possible to just order this adapter:
http://www.bb-elec.com/product_family.asp?familyid=52 Product 9SGM.

I have just asked B&B if that adapter crosses over pins 2 and 3. I'll post up the reply when I get it.

If it does cross over pins 2 and 3 then you can use it, if not then back to fabricating your own.

Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

If you have the data format specification that it transmits, let me know and I'll add it as a supported device to FlashScan.

Regards
Paul
Will see if I can acquire .

Quote from JAW website :
"Only Pin 2,3 and 5 are used by JAW."
Further info when acquired .

[joecar]

But then you can't program or log the LC-1 from the PC.

Regards
PaulAh, good point...;)

[Chevy366]

http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=510-9971&SEARCH=&MPN=30%2D9531&DESC=30%2D9531&R=510%2D9971&sid=47CC9100115CE17F Would be nice but I bet they are straight through .

[Blacky]

It may be possible to just order this adapter:
http://www.bb-elec.com/product_family.asp?familyid=52 Product 9SGM.

I have just asked B&B if that adapter crosses over pins 2 and 3. I'll post up the reply when I get it.

If it does cross over pins 2 and 3 then you can use it, if not then back to fabricating your own.

Regards
Paul
The 9SGM is straight through and can't be used. B&B suggested this connector instead:
http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?sku=9PMMNM&TrailType=Sub

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/ProductDetail.asp?SKU=510-9971&SEARCH=&MPN=30%2D9531&DESC=30%2D9531&R=510%2D9971&sid=47CC9100115CE17F Would be nice but I bet they are straight through . Yes that will be straight through.

This one should work though...
http://byonics.com/cables/null.php

Or this one
http://www.connectworld.net/cgi-bin/iec/M1391
It claims to be a null modem adapter. The "null modem" phrase is meant to indicate that it has 2 and 3 crossed over. I'mnot 100% sure that it does have 2 and 3 crossed over.

I think this one will work:
http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/30D1-C1.html

This one is the perfect solution:
http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/30D1-C1-S.html

Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

This one is the perfect solution:
http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/30D1-C1-S.html

Regards
Paul
Was going to ask if that one would work , answered . :cheers:

[kbracing96]

Will my serial port on my Tech Edge WB be supported?

[joecar]

Yes that will be straight through.

This one should work though...
http://byonics.com/cables/null.php

Or this one
http://www.connectworld.net/cgi-bin/iec/M1391
It claims to be a null modem adapter. The "null modem" phrase is meant to indicate that it has 2 and 3 crossed over. I'mnot 100% sure that it does have 2 and 3 crossed over.

I think this one will work:
http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/30D1-C1.html

This one is the perfect solution:
http://www.sfcable.com/cable/p/30D1-C1-S.html

Regards
PaulI do like that last one, low profile... :cheers:

[joecar]

And it's pretty much dirt cheap. :cheers:

[Blacky]

Will my serial port on my Tech Edge WB be supported?

If you can provide the serial data format that your TechEdge outputs, we should be able to add support for it.

Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

Is this what you needed for the JAW ? :
Here is the basics of the serial port:

Computer sends "0" to JAW to request 1 datalogging packet

When JAW recieves "0", JAW will send a datalog packet, each packet consists of 8 bytes. The first BYTE represents AFR/Lambda the 2nd BYTE is temperature.

The first BYTE is the index into a lookup array to find the actual AFR or Lambda.

These are the Arrays:

// AFR holds the look up values to finding the Air to fuel Ratio, JAW communicates a value between 0 to 83 that is used as the index for the AFR array to find the Air to Fuel Ratio
public static double[] AFR ={ 34.28, 33.26, 32.28, 31.33, 30.43, 29.56, 28.73, 27.93, 27.17, 26.43, 25.73, 25.06, 24.41, 23.80, 23.21, 22.64, 22.10, 21.59, 21.10, 20.62, 20.17, 19.74, 19.32, 18.93, 18.55, 18.18, 17.83, 17.49, 17.16, 16.84, 16.53, 16.23, 15.94, 15.65, 15.37, 15.10, 14.70, 14.68, 14.53, 14.38, 14.24, 14.10, 13.97, 13.84, 13.71, 13.59, 13.47, 13.35, 13.23, 13.12, 13.01, 12.91, 12.80, 12.70, 12.60, 12.51, 12.41, 12.32, 12.23, 12.14, 12.05, 11.96, 11.88, 11.80, 11.72, 11.64, 11.56, 11.48, 11.40, 11.32, 11.25, 11.17, 11.10, 11.02, 10.95, 10.87, 10.80, 10.72, 10.64, 10.57, 10.49, 10.42, 10.34, 10.26, 10.18 };

// Lambda holds the look up values to finding the Lambda, JAW communicates a value between 0 to 83 that is used as the index for the Lambda array to find Lambda
public static double[] Lambda ={ 2.33, 2.26, 2.20, 2.13, 2.07, 2.01, 1.95, 1.90, 1.85, 1.80, 1.75, 1.70, 1.66, 1.62, 1.58, 1.54, 1.50, 1.47, 1.44, 1.40, 1.37, 1.34, 1.31, 1.29, 1.26, 1.24, 1.21, 1.19, 1.17, 1.15, 11.2, 1.10, 1.08, 1.06, 1.05, 1.03, 1.00, 1.00, 0.99, 0.98, 0.97, 0.96, 0.95, 0.94, 0.93, 0.92, 0.92, 0.91, 0.90, 0.89, 0.89, 0.88, 0.87, 0.86, 0.86, 0.85, 0.84, 0.84, 0.83, 0.83, 0.82, 0.81, 0.81, 0.80, 0.80, 0.79, 0.79, 0.78, 0.78, 0.77, 0.77, 0.76, 0.75, 0.75, 0.74, 0.74, 0.73, 0.73, 0.72, 0.72, 0.71, 0.71, 0.70, 0.70, 0.69 };

So if the Frist Byte is "2", then using that as the index the AFR=32.38 and Lambda=2.20.
Uses pins 2 , 3 and 5 .
Let me know if you need anything different !

[kbracing96]

If you can provide the serial data format that your TechEdge outputs, we should be able to add support for it.

Regards
Paul

Is this the info you need?

http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/1v5/techo.htm

[Gelf VXR]

Yes, EFILive will log multiple* Innovate devices.

The initial relaese may only support one, but it has been set up to handle mutliple devices and the firmware will eventually support more than one.

*Limited to four Wide band devices.


Regards
Paul

Excellent! thanks

[Blacky]

Is this what you needed for the JAW ?
That should be sufficient. Obviously you'd need to test it for me since I don't have that wide band here :)

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Is this the info you need?

http://www.techedge.com.au/vehicle/wbo2/1v5/techo.htm

Perfect, thanks.
Paul

[Chevy366]

That should be sufficient. Obviously you'd need to test it for me since I don't have that wide band here :)

Regards
Paul
Will do , once firmware has been released . :master:

[Goldfinger911]

Oh man! I am just starting AutoVE again after a new intake and injectors. I cant WAIT for this firmware update!!

Paul - Your like Santa Claus. Hahahaha. Good work mate.

[dc_justin]

And for those with "eagle eyes", yes the Console has moved from the F12 tab page to the F6 tab page and the new Dynamic Vehicle Testing (DVT) controls will be available on the F12 tab page.

Note: DVT = Bi-directional controls.

The bi-directional controls will work correctly with high speed logging.
They will be implemented over the coming months for as many supported controllers as we can.

Regards
Paul

Ooh, I missed this part of the post initially. That is GREAT! Will this include anything new (such as injector balance test) and a case relearn on other controllers?

[Cougar281]

How will DVT affect us Diesel guys? Also, any updates on the 6 speed Allison read problems?

[joecar]

And for those with "eagle eyes", yes the Console has moved from the F12 tab page to the F6 tab page and the new Dynamic Vehicle Testing (DVT) controls will be available on the F12 tab page.

Note: DVT = Bi-directional controls.

The bi-directional controls will work correctly with high speed logging.
They will be implemented over the coming months for as many supported controllers as we can.

Regards
PaulDoes this mean if you undock the tabs you can view the dash while using bidi controls...?

[dc_justin]

Does this mean if you undock the tabs you can view the dash while using bidi controls...?

You can do that now. :cheers:

[joecar]

You can do that now. :cheers:Yes, you can... :cheers:

I just have to remember to start recording before doing bidi... (I usually forget :doh:but that's just a personal problem :fluffy:)...

unless it has changed... wait, let me test it out again...

[dc_justin]

Yes, you can... :cheers: ... I just have to remember to start recording before doing bidi... (I usually forget :doh:but that's just a personal problem :fluffy:)...

unless it has changed... wait, let me test it out again...

Other way around. You have to have the bidi window open before recording if you're in stream-fast. In General or dynamic, you can open at any time.

[joecar]

Yes, you're right... can you tell I'm having a day...


me -> :bash: <-day

[Chevy366]

So what is the protocol of the serial on the V2 cable , pin 2 Tx and pin 3 Rx or other way around ?

Thanks

[JezzaB]

With this exciting stuff coming up I thought I would contact PLX see if they can help us boys. I know the SM-AFR unit has a TX and RX serial ports for daisy chaining units:



....please pass this along to EFI live. This is the serial protocol for the SM-AFR

The iMFD Digital output is

19200 Baud
8 Data Bits
1 Stop Bit
No parity

Packet format is as follows for the SM-AFR

1) Start bit (0x80)
2) Address bit MSB (0x00) for SM-AFR
3) Address bit LSB (0x00) for SM-AFR
4) Instance (0x00) if only one SM-AFR is connected
5) Data MSB
6) Data LSB
7) Stop bit (0x40)
(Packet set repeats exactly every 100mS)


Interpreting the data bits is as follows.

int datamsb;
int datalsb;
int data;

datamsb = datamsb & 0x3F; //This ignores 2 most significant bits
datalsb = datalsb & 0x3F;

data = (datamsb << 6) | datalsb; //data is the AFR value



when data is 0, AFR is 10 (gasoline) = 0.68 lambda
when data is 255, AFR is 20 (gasoline) = 1.36 lambda
when data is 256 AFR is "lean"
when data is 257 AFR is "Air"

All you'll need is a Max232 chip to convert TTL to RS232 levels
_________________
PL
PLX Engineer
www.plxdevices.com

Looks like ill be making up a cable :)
Jez

[Blacky]

Ooh, I missed this part of the post initially. That is GREAT! Will this include anything new (such as injector balance test) and a case relearn on other controllers?

Initially only the controls will only be activated manually. The actual tests, that perform multiple actions and produce a result (like cylinder balance tests and injector balance tests) will be implemented on a per controller basis.

CASE will be included for all controllers fow which we have the CASE bi directional data (I believe the E38 is covered).

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

How will DVT affect us Diesel guys? Also, any updates on the 6 speed Allison read problems?
We will be implementing as many bi-di controls for the diesels as we can.
The Allison 6 speed is being worked on this weekend.
We'll post up the status on Monday - pm me on Monday night if I have not posted.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Does this mean if you undock the tabs you can view the dash while using bidi controls...? Yes, see screen shot...
Paul

[Blacky]

Yes, you can... :cheers:

I just have to remember to start recording before doing bidi... (I usually forget :doh:but that's just a personal problem :fluffy:)...

unless it has changed... wait, let me test it out again...

It has changed in the new version, you can start/stop bi-di controls any time in any scan mode.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

So what is the protocol of the serial on the V2 cable , pin 2 Tx and pin 3 Rx or other way around ?
Thanks
There are two types of serial interfaces. Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) and Data Communications Equipment (DCE). Traditiaonlly the PC (or terminal) is considered the DTE and a modem (or whatever you are connecting to the PC) is considered the DCE.

FlashScan is technically a DCE because it connects directly to a PC. DCE equipment (i.e. FlashScan ) transmits on pin 2 and recieves on pin 3.

For anyone who is interested...
The wideband controllers are also DCE because they connect directly to a PC. Because FlashScan and the wide band controllers are both DCE, when connecting them directly to each other, you need to connect pin 2 to pin 3 and pin 3 to pin 2.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Looks like ill be making up a cable :)
Jez

Make sure you take note of this comment:
All you'll need is a Max232 chip to convert TTL to RS232 levels

Regards
Paul

[ScarabEpic22]

Wow guys, I cant wait for some more DVT controls whenever they get implemented. Being able to lock my trans on a dyno would be great for power plus being able to hit the cells you cant hit (safely) on the street!

[Chevy366]

There are two types of serial interfaces. Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) and Data Communications Equipment (DCE). Traditiaonlly the PC (or terminal) is considered the DTE and a modem (or whatever you are connecting to the PC) is considered the DCE.

FlashScan is technically a DCE because it connects directly to a PC. DCE equipment (i.e. FlashScan ) transmits on pin 2 and recieves on pin 3.

For anyone who is interested...
The wideband controllers are also DCE because they connect directly to a PC. Because FlashScan and the wide band controllers are both DCE, when connecting them directly to each other, you need to connect pin 2 to pin 3 and pin 3 to pin 2.

Regards
Paul
Thanks for the info .

[TAQuickness]

Yes, see screen shot...
Paul

What a tease! :D

[mr.prick]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached images.

Regards
Paul
will this need to be a custom cable, or will any serial to serial bridge work?
and when will this go live?
i am not going to run the beta with all the complaints i`ve seen.

[joecar]

will this need to be a custom cable, or will any serial to serial bridge work?
and when will this go live?
i am not going to run the beta with all the complaints i`ve seen.Any DB9-male-to-DB9-male null modem cable (i.e. it crosses pins 2 and 3 (Tx and Rx)) should work.

If you're going to wait, then look at the last option in post #34: showpost.php?p=64469&postcount=34 (http://forum.efilive.com/showpost.php?p=64469&postcount=34)

That low profile null modem adapter is just pefect.

[JezzaB]

Make sure you take note of this comment:
All you'll need is a Max232 chip to convert TTL to RS232 levels

Regards
Paul

No problems there Paul. Ill make one up on the weekend and if you can intergrate the protocol, ill test it out when the beta is released.

Jez

[ringram]

Right that does it. Im going to have to buy a car so I can use DVT and serial WB!
Time to rid myself of this Ford..

BTW: Those null modem adapters are on ebay as well.

[Bruce Melton]

Maybe when this is available we can get a dummied down version?
I am going with a LM-2 and will need the Cliff Notes when all this bleeding edge stuff is resolved. :Eyecrazy:
Thanks for the evolution.

[oztracktuning]

I will be interested in what you find with the PLX serial logging Jezzab

[Treurentner]

Hi Paul,

Will be the datastream from AEM gauge type Wideband also supported?
It´s an AEM UEGO 30-4100
Information about the datastream is here:
http://www.carbide-red.com/pdf/aem_uego_30-4100.pdf
Many thanks!

Marco

[Cougar281]

Paul, will we be able to initiate fast learn on the Allison controllers without clearing taps like the PPE programmer can?


We will be implementing as many bi-di controls for the diesels as we can.
The Allison 6 speed is being worked on this weekend.
We'll post up the status on Monday - pm me on Monday night if I have not posted.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

Hi Paul,

Will be the datastream from AEM gauge type Wideband also supported?
It´s an AEM UEGO 30-4100
Information about the datastream is here:
http://www.carbide-red.com/pdf/aem_uego_30-4100.pdf
Many thanks!

Marco

It looks like that can be supported :)
Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

public static double[] Lambda ={ 2.33, 2.26, 2.20, 2.13, 2.07, 2.01, 1.95, 1.90, 1.85, 1.80, 1.75, 1.70, 1.66, 1.62, 1.58, 1.54, 1.50, 1.47, 1.44, 1.40, 1.37, 1.34, 1.31, 1.29, 1.26, 1.24, 1.21, 1.19, 1.17, 1.15, 11.2, 1.10, 1.08, 1.06, 1.05, 1.03, 1.00, 1.00, 0.99, 0.98, 0.97, 0.96, 0.95, 0.94, 0.93, 0.92, 0.92, 0.91, 0.90, 0.89, 0.89, 0.88, 0.87, 0.86, 0.86, 0.85, 0.84, 0.84, 0.83, 0.83, 0.82, 0.81, 0.81, 0.80, 0.80, 0.79, 0.79, 0.78, 0.78, 0.77, 0.77, 0.76, 0.75, 0.75, 0.74, 0.74, 0.73, 0.73, 0.72, 0.72, 0.71, 0.71, 0.70, 0.70, 0.69 };
Might want to let the JAW guys know there is an error in the Lambda lookup array. I think it should be 1.12 not 11.2

Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

Son of a gun , will do .
They also say 2(Tx) , 3 (Rx) , and baud Rate is 14400. The data format is 8N1.


Thanks
Gil

[ntae]

For the PLX users there is some talk over at PLX


http://www.forum.plxdevices.com/viewtopic.php?p=6481#6481


Geoff

[TAQuickness]

For the PLX users there is some talk over at PLX


http://www.forum.plxdevices.com/viewtopic.php?p=6481#6481


Geoff

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's cool!

[Highlander]

Note: SFCable Inc does not ship to Puerto Rico... bunch of racist bastards!!!

[Lennart]

While being on topic, PLX needs some help in the enhanced OBD paramters for their recently released DM-200 OBD gauge. It is a very neat looking unit but unfortunately only supports generic OBD stuff.
I would love to see an EFILive enhanced edition of that device which would be useful for many of us.

[macca_779]

For the PLX users there is some talk over at PLX


http://www.forum.plxdevices.com/viewtopic.php?p=6481#6481


Geoff

Nice work Geoff.. I'll be hitting you up to convert mine once we're out of Beta.

[mistermike]

Yes, EFILive will log multiple* Innovate devices.

The initial relaese may only support one, but it has been set up to handle mutliple devices and the firmware will eventually support more than one.

*Limited to four Wide band devices.


Regards
Paul
Great. That's what I'll be waiting for. I'm locked into using dual LC-1's with my setup. The bank to bank airflow differences under vacuum necessitate taking an average of both banks, as they can differ by over 1 whole AFR unit.

[macca_779]

For the PLX users there is some talk over at PLX


http://www.forum.plxdevices.com/viewtopic.php?p=6481#6481


Geoff

Nice work Geoff.. I'll be hitting you up to convert mine once we're out of Beta.

[Blacky]

Great. That's what I'll be waiting for. I'm locked into using dual LC-1's with my setup. The bank to bank airflow differences under vacuum necessitate taking an average of both banks, as they can differ by over 1 whole AFR unit.

My original post indicated we would support 4 wide band controllers simultaneously. However, for simplicity I've reduced that to 2xLC-1's or 1xLM-1 + 1xLC-1.

Regards
Paul

[TAQuickness]

My original post indicated we would support 4 wide band controllers simultaneously. However, for simplicity I've reduced that to 2xLC-1's or 1xLM-1 + 1xLC-1.

Regards
Paul

That's the ticket! I too am a victom of the lean bank tune-around

[stigmundfreud]

Litterally last month I threw away about 10 years worth of colleted null modem cables - gah! Every nokia or pix I worked on was shipped with them and I had a thing for collecting

Cant wait to ditch the analoge inputs, nice one guys!

[Blacky]

Paul, will we be able to initiate fast learn on the Allison controllers without clearing taps like the PPE programmer can?

We are currently working on bidi controls for Allison (and other controllers). If it is possible to add that feature we will.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

The allison 6 speed reading/flashing problem is fixed in the next beta release on Saturday.

Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

FlashScan LC-1 Serial data logging video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yufIFjGuw

Note: "Error 9" displayed on FlashScan's screen is generated by the LC-1 when it detects "Supply Voltage too low".

Regards
Paul

[joecar]

FlashScan LC-1 Serial data logging video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yufIFjGuw

Note: "Error 9" displayed on FlashScan's screen is generated by the LC-1 when it detects "Supply Voltage too low".

Regards
Paul
Way to go... :cheers: ...can you display EQ instead of Lambda...?

(or would I just take care of that in calc_pids.txt...?)

[TAQuickness]

Joe - I think that'll be a calc_pid. If memory serves, the LC1 transmits AFR and Lambda based on the configuration stored/programed to the device. It's still a bit early in the AM, but if I'm not mistaken, the Lambda and calculated BEN should be about the same...

[Blacky]

Way to go... :cheers: ...can you display EQ instead of Lambda...?

(or would I just take care of that in calc_pids.txt...?)

No problem on th eEQ Ratio. I can just make it "F2" to toggle Lambda/EQ.
Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

FlashScan LC-1 Serial data logging video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yufIFjGuw

Note: "Error 9" displayed on FlashScan's screen is generated by the LC-1 when it detects "Supply Voltage too low".

Regards
Paul

Alright ! :jump:

[joecar]

Will you be able to initiate an LC-1 free air calibration from V2...?

[stigmundfreud]

Will you be able to initiate an LC-1 free air calibration from V2...?

is it not just as easy to use logworks? Or did you go and splice that wire already? ;)

[joecar]

Hey, if it can be done with V2 why bother connecting LogWorks... ;)

And that will give me an excuse to slice up a perfectly good wire... :cheers:

[Ira]

It may be possible to just order this adapter:
http://www.bb-elec.com/product_family.asp?familyid=52 Product 9SGM.

I have just asked B&B if that adapter crosses over pins 2 and 3. I'll post up the reply when I get it.

Paul
You need a null modem, like this: http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?sku=9PMMNM

Or this one for $3.00 or so, http://www.trianglecables.com/202671-mm.html

But at $20 each it's not a very cost effective solution.

Ira

[Chevy366]

Hey, if it can be done with V2 why bother connecting LogWorks... ;)

And that will give me an excuse to slice up a perfectly good wire... :cheers:
LM Programmer , firmware updates !

[Cougar281]

The allison 6 speed reading/flashing problem is fixed in the next beta release on Saturday.

Regards
Paul

Will this release include more PIDs such as Desired/Actual Fuel rail pressure?

[Gelf VXR]

LM Programmer , firmware updates !

I have two cables:rockon:

[Blacky]

Will you be able to initiate an LC-1 free air calibration from V2...?

Yes, FlashScan can do that already :)
It shows "Free air Calibrate" on the screen while calibration is in progress.

Paul

[Blacky]

Will this release include more PIDs such as Desired/Actual Fuel rail pressure?
Yes, we expect to have at least the same number of PIDs available for BB logging as we currently have for pass through logging.
Regards
Paul

[Chevy366]

I have two cables:rockon:
?
Can you do LC-1 firmware update through the V2 cable ?

[joecar]

Yes, FlashScan can do that already :)
It shows "Free air Calibrate" on the screen while calibration is in progress.

PaulCool... thanks... :cheers:

[joecar]

LM Programmer , firmware updates !I'm not too keen to do firmware updates on my LC-1... I tried this once one time and my LC-1 stopped working (Innovate did fix it up for me).

[Ira]

This and an ethernet cable would do the trick also!

http://www.rogerssystems.com/store/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=430

I think it comes with 8 pins on wires ready to plug into the DB9 connector.

Ira

[Blacky]

?
Can you do LC-1 firmware update through the V2 cable ? No.

[joecar]

This and an ethernet cable would do the trick also!

http://www.rogerssystems.com/store/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=430

I think it comes with 8 pins on wires ready to plug into the DB9 connector.

Ira
Ira,

I think Paul has found one already, see the last link in this post: showpost.php?p=64483&postcount=37 (http://forum.efilive.com/showpost.php?p=64483&postcount=37)

It's low profile and it's under $3.00. :cheers:

[Chevy366]

No.
Thanks , only reason I asked the V2 video has to be the latest firmware 1.10v because the LC-1 goes to 99% on heater warm up percentage .

[Blacky]

Thanks , only reason I asked the V2 video has to be the latest firmware 1.10v because the LC-1 goes to 99% on heater warm up percentage . The LC-1 used in the video has the latest firmware, but that was done using Innovate software. There is no way to do it from EFILive, nor would we want to try. Regards Paul

[Chevy366]

The LC-1 used in the video has the latest firmware, but that was done using Innovate software. There is no way to do it from EFILive, nor would we want to try. Regards Paul
I understand , stay out of the chain of faults , if firmware flash goes bad then it is Innovates thing .
So best not to ruin the LC-1 com then !

[stigmundfreud]

The LC-1 used in the video has the latest firmware, but that was done using Innovate software. There is no way to do it from EFILive, nor would we want to try. Regards Paul

something people noticed on the latest firware is random 04 and 08 codes that would clear after a restart. Only experienced the 04 code once myself and the latest version sees the LC-1 ready a lot lot quicker.

I have noticed though that no matter what sample rate is chosen it still seems to give an instant sample, something running via the serial output seems to react to much better?

[mistermike]

FlashScan LC-1 Serial data logging video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85yufIFjGuw

Note: "Error 9" displayed on FlashScan's screen is generated by the LC-1 when it detects "Supply Voltage too low".

Regards
Paul

Well, that's slicker than a ..... well it's really slick. Will that work with a pair of LC1's? hehehe.



My original post indicated we would support 4 wide band controllers simultaneously. However, for simplicity I've reduced that to 2xLC-1's or 1xLM-1 + 1xLC-1.

Regards
Paul
Thanks Paul, my vehicular dreams will finally be realized. http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?t=7063

[Hyper99]

ETA when the beta will be ready?

:cucumber:

Cable is ready and waiting....

[Chuck CoW]

For those of you wanting to get a jump start on the LC-1, LM-1 serial interface logging, you will need to construct a crossover cable that connects the Innovate serial cable to the FlashScan serial cable.

See attached images.

Regards
Paul


This is all GREAT NEWS! I think I'm going to faint! Not so much from excitement about serial wideband (little white lie here) but from all the carbon monoxide I inhaled for the past year messing with the A/D inputs...:bash:


I see you have a double DB9 to use with the innovate LM1 serial cable we already have......BUT...

Does V2 come with a modular phone cord to DB9 cable or adapter? I don't remember seeing such a thing....:nixweiss:

Chuck CoW

[Redline Motorsports]

Chuck,

So that explains why you are! LOL!!

Paul,

What needs to be done to incorporate the Autronics System B wide band into this serial format?

Howard

[Gelf VXR]

Any DB9-male-to-DB9-male null modem cable (i.e. it crosses pins 2 and 3 (Tx and Rx)) should work.

If you're going to wait, then look at the last option in post #34: showpost.php?p=64469&postcount=34 (http://forum.efilive.com/showpost.php?p=64469&postcount=34)

That low profile null modem adapter is just pefect.

Small issue with this one, you can only fasten one cable, the other may pull out?

I'm home in two weeks, looking forward to trying this out :)

[joecar]

Small issue with this one, you can only fasten one cable, the other may pull out?

I'm home in two weeks, looking forward to trying this out :)My experience with DB9 and DB25 is that there's plenty of friction between male/female (hmmm....:tongue:), they won't fall apart unless pulled upon.

But, I think I'm going to make a phono-to-RJ12 as mentioned in this thread:http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?p=65451#post65451

Cheers,
Joe
:cheers:

[Gelf VXR]

Now that I can extend the cables i want to mount my V2 visable some where on the dash / console. Is there a mounting bracket available (quick release)?

It was laying in the passenger foot well.

[stigmundfreud]

velcro sticky pads

[Blacky]

Now that I can extend the cables i want to mount my V2 visable some where on the dash / console. Is there a mounting bracket available (quick release)?

It was laying in the passenger foot well.

No, we don't make any mounting brackets for FlashScan. It would be a good idea though. I have nowhere to put mine where I can read it in my car :(

Paul

[Highlander]

No problem on th eEQ Ratio. I can just make it "F2" to toggle Lambda/EQ.
Regards
Paul and AFR Toggle??????

Well.. the chirps do make up for the bracket in a way.. the other day i was driving and something started CHIRPING and I let of the throttle.. i was like... WTF is that?? after a while.. When I checked the scan...OK COOL>>.. it was FS telling me ... LET OFF YOU MORONIC BASTARD ITS KNOCKING!!!! JAJAJA actually.. I did understand it as i had let off as soon as i heard it.. INTUITIVE!!!!... where are all these features explained????????

[Goldfinger911]

As long as we are on the topic...
I made a mount for mine by taking one of those cell phone holders/cradles that clip to your AC vents. I removed the adjustable arms that are on the side, then putting velcro on the surface. There are two little arms to support the V2, and the velcro holds it in place, easy to see and it cant get stepped on. I will post a pic in a few hours.

Here is a link to the one I bought: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103140&cp=2032052&f=Taxonomy%2FRSK%2F2032052&categoryId=2032052&kwCatId=2032052&kw=car+mount&parentPage=search


It was laying in the passenger foot well.

[TAQuickness]

I'd like to see your pictures of that installed

[Goldfinger911]

Just got home. Here are some pics.
I run my cables down behind the mount and then tuck them under the center console on their way to the OBD2 port. Easy to install and easy to remove. The LED alerts are very visible while driving too.

[ScarabEpic22]

Very nice man, I like that mount!

[Blacky]

and AFR Toggle??????

AFR is always dislayed. Just Lambda and EQ ratio are toggled.
Regards
Paul

[Blacky]

where are all these features explained????????

Ummmm! in the version 8 documentation that is not released yet :frown:

Regards
Paul

[joecar]

Just got home. Here are some pics.
I run my cables down behind the mount and then tuck them under the center console on their way to the OBD2 port. Easy to install and easy to remove. The LED alerts are very visible while driving too.Cool... :cheers:

[TAQuickness]

the mount looks really good Goldfinger. I've been wanting to figure out a mounting bracket for a while now. Just been lazy.

[JezzaB]

I was going to make a 2.5mm stereo phone jack to RS232 via a MAX232 converter board but i decided to do this instead and intergrate it all.

http://www.splitpixel.com.au/PLX-RS232.jpg

Now i just plug in the cable (well with a gender bender. I didnt have a male rs232 socket);) Bring it on Paul!!!

Jez

PS I should tap a couple of screw points in there but it does fit nice and snug with just the connector and shouldnt pull out in a hurry

[stigmundfreud]

No, we don't make any mounting brackets for FlashScan. It would be a good idea though. I have nowhere to put mine where I can read it in my car :(

Paul

Veclro pad it to the sun visor :Eyecrazy:

[joecar]

Mine flops around in my lap... I take it with me when I exit the car... but it would still be nice to have a mount like GoldFinger's.

[AGRO]

Guys, im having a slight issue, when i try to check the status or program new firmware, message comes up saying "flashscan need to be in ded poll mode............" ummmm it is in dead poll, two leds flash.

please help.:help2: EDIT wrong thread.

[oztracktuning]

I have the RS232, circuit board and connectors - can you give some more info about how its done inside Jezz

[JezzaB]

I have the RS232, circuit board and connectors - can you give some more info about how its done inside Jezz

Email sent Steve.

[Blacky]

Guys, im having a slight issue, when i try to check the status or program new firmware, message comes up saying "flashscan need to be in ded poll mode............" ummmm it is in dead poll, two leds flash.

please help.:help2: EDIT wrong thread.

You can't use the old firmware programmer to reprogram FlashScan once it has been upgraded to bootblock V2.5.x.
You need to use the firmware progammer tha is part of EFILive_Explorer.exe in the \Program Files\EFILive\V8\EFILive_Hapi folder.

Regards
Paul

[Highlander]

The cool thing is that you no longer need to set it in dead poll mode!

[stigmundfreud]

/raises hand to ask question

Got the new firmware, null modem, gender changers, the lot hooked up. FS now displays the AFR and works very very nicely. Now I am trying to look for the pids to use for the digital input and selected:

WO2AFR1
WO2LAM1
WO2ST1

I've deselected all the old PIDs relating to AD1 inputs but obviously the BEN map is based on using the AD pids. Help!!

[Highlander]

everyone is having problems with them.. so wait it out... they are the ext.whatever

[stigmundfreud]

?? so we can now log via the serial port but the data doesnt translate to ve tuning or maf scaling or have i missed something?

[Highlander]

there is a problem at the moment i believe.. and not everyone is seeing the actual AFR.

There are tutorials all over the forum (which I haven't yet mastered, hence why I am not saying how) on how to enable AutoVE. But you just change the Calc PIDs to create your new BEN with the serial data instead of the A/D Data.

[stigmundfreud]

ah right so need to create my own ben pid? No idea how to to be honest!

[Blacky]

ah right so need to create my own ben pid? No idea how to to be honest!

There appears to be a problem with logging the new AFRs to the PC. Once that is fixed, I will post up some examples of how to set up the BEN PIDs for VE tuning. (Working on it now...)

Regards
Paul

[stigmundfreud]

Cheers Paul,

I'll go back to AD for now then which isn't much of a pain, I have my emissions test on Tuesday but going AD wont hurt for now.

On the flip side the FS now acts as a great scan guage for AFR whilst on the road! :D (Velcro all the way)

[stigmundfreud]

Well fingers crossed the emissions pass tomorrow, having just mounted the FS to the dash it makes a bloody good tool and great peace of mind to see the read out realtime.

The display works fantastically well worth the wait

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2366763865_bdde602e99_m.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/stigmundfreud/2366763865/)

[joecar]

Well fingers crossed the emissions pass tomorrow, having just mounted the FS to the dash it makes a bloody good tool and great peace of mind to see the read out realtime.

The display works fantastically well worth the wait

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2366763865_bdde602e99_m.jpg (http://flickr.com/photos/stigmundfreud/2366763865/)MIke, don't let the smog technician see your V2, keep it and any cables hidden while you're getting tested.

[stigmundfreud]

hehe I doubt it will be a problem, they are very relaxed about things over here so long as the car meets the legal requirements on emissions and cats.

So long as my idle is in 0.97 to 1.03 and 3000rpm is in the same range, it should pass emissions but if not I'll stick the old O2 back in and run closed loop for the tests.

but back to your point, it will be in my pocket and all cables out of the way anyway :D