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Totally understandable. I'm an equal opportunity profiteer, DSP 5 one day and COS 5 the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
So I wouldn't say help one and forget the other, I think this would help secure the Sport Compact,
Camaro and Cadillac markets.
Hey Ross, any update on the reads? Didn't know if you could say if you were going to try to support "x" ECMs or not :)
Good work ross, 15mins to read the bosch ecm is good i use hpt and it takes like 27mins I have a lot of tunes that have been read with hpt are they of any use i will start reading as many as poss with v2 and send them thu. regards Jason
We are still working on Cummins, the Bosch ECM won't be considered until that task is complete. I haven't really looked over the files we have yet, but thanks to everyone for sending them in.
Would this include the New V6 Camaro ?
Bump !!!!!
I can't wait! Baby V6's getting ripped!
Above is a quote from a post I made in March. Nothing has changed on this stance, with the exception that it looks like part of our 2012 will be consumed with other projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Given the conjecture on the forum over the last couple of weeks about wanting a defined answer on what we will and won't support, it's probably best to say that it's not looking like we will pursue these Bosch ECM's in 2011. Pushing development into 2012 is doubtful too given the ECM is being replaced as GM move to Flex Fuel on the engines currently supported by the Bosch ECM (these ECM's can't do E85).
We estimate it would take at least 3 months solid work to understand these systems and map them out, that's assuming all goes well. Our development experience with Bosch ECM's on the Duramax left a bad taste so we know nothing will go smoothly. Based on this and the not so overwhelming further request for support (it takes more the 20 people to shout yes please!), consider this on an indefinite hiatus for the moment. We are sorry for this as I know there is a number of people who were looking forward to the possibility of tuning these ECM's with EFILive.
There is some software out of Europe for tuning these Bosch systems, we may continue to develop the flashing process for the E55, E69 & E77 so Autocal could be used on the Bosch ECM's, we've had a few requests just for that function, no editing, just a method of remote flashing.
Cheers,
Ross
Just wondering, How would this be useful ??Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Thanx
-Justin
There seems to be a number of people out there who can tune these Bosch ECM's using one of the various tuning packages for them (from the US or Europe) or just a simple Hex editor.
Suppose you develop a mail order tune for an E77 ECM, you can then use Autocal to deliver the tunes to customers. Autocal doesn't need to understand the maps in the ECM, it just flashes the file in. So in that sense, they don't need EFILive at all apart from using Autocal to deliver a tune.
Interesting, for the consumer side it means another package or option must be utilized to flash these ECMs but from EFILive's side, a little work to develop correct read/flash routines and you can sell more AutoCals. Makes sense to me, I might not like it, but it makes sense! Plus it would leave the door open down the road to develop the editing side with a little less work.
Like that AMAZING T43 that needs soooo many calibration updates in the later years!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Unfortunately ones man's rock is another man's gold. We see both sides of the fence all the time, Diesel guys telling us to forget all the gas vehicles and the gas guys telling us to forget the oil burners.
There is a tuning market for nearly everything, the decision we have to make is to assess if it's worth our time to add support for certain controllers. Bosch (to us) is way harder to deal with than the good old Delphi ECM's, so there will have to be a reasonable amount of interest in this to have us commit to making it happen. Having said that, I have been really surprised at the amount of ECM reads so far, especially from our Australian customers.
Forget NOT your BIGGEST SUPPORTERS!
Chuck CoW
Chuck, was there nothing on TV last night? Digging up a year old thread. Hey, did you try the new tables for the ECM to help with the T43?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
No, was away in Texas at VARARAM all last week and didn't want to bust up someone's car
testing new stuff..... I'll work on that now that I'm home.
By the way, when you eventually take that Turbo 400 and big block out of your caddy and
install an LSx with a 6L80e I'm not gonna be of much help to you if you don't get me some more
T43 tables to work with!!!
Chuck CoW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzr12gBrXA8Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
Are you trying to say that I'm an OOMPA-LOOMPA????? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Chuck CoW
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
I agree 100%, I dont think its a good business idea to have your customers buying your competitors product. I am getting used to there laylout.
Have you been following this thread?
http://forum.efilive.com/showthread....-removal/page8
Yes, unless I missed it it nothing has been released yet to the public and no more CAX files were being sent out. So I am still in the same spot as before using HPT.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Got a BadTuneFile after reading a 2010 V6 Camaro today... Email Sent to Andrew.
Nemo, we've had reads sent in from some 2011 V6 Camaro's, so it should work without the badfileformat error. Though I think what is happening is you have read it with V8 then tried to open it in v7.5. This won't work, v7.5 has not been configured in any way to handle these Bosch V6 ECM's. The demand for tuning these you would think might be high, it just doesn't appear that way. The ability for EFILive to read the Bosch E77 & E69 ECM's has been out for over a year and I can't say that we've been flooded with files asking for support. I would suggest this might be why HPT quit working on them too.
If you get your hands on a 2012 V6 Camaro, different story, they switched to the E39 ECM which we do support.
So are these ECMs still on indefinite hiatus?
Know you're busy with the 6.7L Cummins stuff still and getting 03-05 SCI and 09+ Cummins stuff ready to go plus keeping up with current GM stuff. So plenty of time to crack these lovely Bosch ECMs, right? :D
EDIT: Just saw you beat me to it Ross...
Pretty much so, the small interest we got was people wanting to bolt turbo's on and run them in 2bar, as far as I know GM's versions of these ECM's (at least on the Camaro, Cadillac) were never written for 2bar. I couldn't imagine even contemplating doing such a thing as writing a 2bar OS for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22
HPT have added enough to the LNF side of things which is the same PCM for the tuners to be happy. As for further expansion I'd say its because they're too busy constantly making 2bar Cos for E38/E67s and trying to get their Dodge stuff off the ground (years in the making...)
C'mon Ross, now you have the T43 TCC slip tables taken care off - time to work on the sly on the Bosch stuff. A different kind of headache from the Cummins stuff would be a welcome change? ;-) how about using it as a test for the v8 editor when it comes to fruition
not to mention those '08+ E77 and E69 controllers that HPT cant even read. People have given up asking HPT for it as they're focused on Dodge and not many people know EFILive can read them all, and those who do know theres no editing for it.
Yep, if you pursue it Id love to see a COS for the LNF (if it needs it, already is boosted from GM so might be a 2Bar OS already?).
What really bothered me was the Bosch ECM in the 10-11 Camaro V6s, now that its an E39 for 2012 I know we can tune those!
COS requests are what Ross is afraid off! People use the GMPP OS for LNF with good results. Just editing for stock OS would be good, people have had it really good for GM OS's with EFILive and HPT. Back in the old days you had to make do with the stock OS with scaling etc lol. They still worked pretty good. Most of the tables with Bosch have rescaleble axis so its pretty configurable up to the internal calculation limits.
To be honest, I've really lost interest in these now I'm playing with the E39. I had the opportunity to work on a VE V6 that was getting cams, twin TB intake and lots of other work, but in the end I simply told the guy to get an after market ECM to manage the engine. Less pain and more control than the stock unit could manage.
Simon.
I sent E77 file out of stock 2007 Caprice LS with 3.6L
any updates regarding editing those ECMs
Thanks for sending the tune in, but there has been no change of heart with supporting the Bosch ECM's.
I'm wondering if a forthcoming iteration of V8 will be able to get my Bosch dishwasher to give an extra rinse cycle?
Will there any near future support for E69 ?
since its for 2010-2011 V6 camaro and for 2006-2011 GMC Acadia
there will be a lot of interested customers
We are not currently working on them wesam. We've had the ability to read those ECM's for quit some time and little interest has been shown from that perspective.
As I work on MANY V8 CAMAROS........ 2 or 3 people ask me every week about the V6 cars....caddys...etc. While it's possible to get them done them,Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
It would be much easier to keep things in house......
The economy is such that any support your offer is just simply money in the bank for your customers!
Thank you.
Chuck CoW