Upgrading to an EFILive custom O.S

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Originally Posted by BowlingSS

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

And we need commercial version to do this?

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Any hope for us other users?

Bill

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Not at this stage Bill, we have some very, very neat stuff in the final stages of testing right now that will make the commercial upgrade well worthwhile.

Cheers,
Ross

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Originally Posted by GMPX

Not at this stage Bill, we have some very, very neat stuff in the final stages of testing right now that will make the commercial upgrade well worthwhile.

Cheers,
Ross

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Anything you want to share as a teaser? The $150 upgrade cost was well worth it, even for us poor Kiwi's that have to pay 1.3 times that amount (damned US currency being so strong). You get so much more functionality for next to no cost.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Originally Posted by GMPX

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Originally Posted by ws6togo

I am new to the EFI community and have a question. I have a 00 WS6 TA and am not sure what is meant by:
"If you are upgrading a 1999 or 2000 O.S to a 2001+ O.S then you will not be able to use any existing .tun file you may have for your 1999/2000 vehicle.
You will need to obtain a stock (or modified) .bin or .tun file to suit your vehicle. "
Obtain a stock .bin or .tun file from where? Do the HP tuner files work with EFILive?
Sorry to sound like a newbie...BUT I AM

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The issue is the 1999 & 2000 PCM O.S's were sort of unique enough to be quite different to the 2001+ releases, which makes it very hard to 'adapt' a 1999 calibration into a 2001.
If you have not already done too much tuning on the car yet then use a tun or HPTuners bin from from a matching 2001-2002 WS6 (looking at your user name I am assuming you have a WS6?).
If you are going MAFless then it is pretty much mandatory you upgrade to a 2001 O.S or even better EFILive custom O.S (so you keep the twin spark tables), because the 2001+ programs did not use 2 VE tables.

Hope that helps.....

Cheers,
Ross

P.S - Newbies are welcome here too, we all have to start somewhere.

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So I should be able to determine my GM O.S. number for my '00 WS6 TA? I just noticed at the top of this sticky that the year starts at '01. I have not done any computer tuning at all yet. What would be the "recommended" 01 WS6 tun file for me? The only mods I have done are Hypertech. I have changed to 160 stat, changed shift firmness and raised RPM between shifts, I added the "power tune" which probably doesn't do a darn thing. The only major chages I have done to my car so far is TCI 3000 stall converter and added BGRam air kit to my hood to make it more functional. I also added the lid with K&N filter, Have SLP Y pipe but its not an OYP. with QTP electric cutout in the I pipe.

Questions on updating a 99 O.S. to 02 O.S. If the truck is bone stock is there any benefit updating it to a 02? I know for instance the 2000 truck gained 10 hp over the 1999 didnt know if was just tuned different or if was something mechanical they changed. It was just a curious questions.

I plan on using a custom o.s. when the ones come out where you can adjust afr at any given rpm along with map :D

What's the purpose in the efilive o.s.?

Basic summary below:

Only Version 1 OS has currently been made publicly available at this stage - 2 & 3 aren't far off

Version 1 - This will include the following -
Dual Spark Mafless with Octane scaler control.


Version 2 - This will include the following -
Dual Spark Mafless with Octane scaler control.
Valet mode speed limiter selectable via a toggle switch.
Two Step Rev Limiter for NON ETC cars.

This version is perfect for those who still want to run with a MAF and don't want to have to do a retune as you will have to do with Version 3.

Version 3 - This will include the following -
Dual Spark Mafless with Octane scaler control.
Valet mode speed limiter selectable via a toggle switch.
Two Step Rev Limiter for NON ETC cars.
Full RPM vs MAP Commanded AFR table with one really neat trick!!.
2 OR 3 bar support (up to about 26psi of boost with 10kPa,1.5psi increments) plus a boost timing table.

the 2 step sounds cool

is there something wrong with the 01270003 tun?

This version of the EFILive Tuning Tool has not been
configured to display this PCM's operating system.

Unregonized PCM

This may occur if...
your PCM has been updated by a GM dealer
to fix a software problem in the PCM.
OR
you are attempting to load an EFILive custom PCM
program without installing the matching *.cal file.
OR
you are attempting to load a non-EFILive custom PCM program.

Please save this calibration's *.tun file
and email a copy of it to: [email protected]
so that we can add support for it.

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Originally Posted by GMPX

I was 'hoping' to get the valet mode in this round of releases, but that is a major job, it's a rewrite (in assembler) of the speed limiter routines in the PCM (both cable and ETC throttle) across lots of GM O.S's, all of which are different (where is the sighing emoticon?).

Anyway, this lot should get everybody going MAFless.

Cheers,
Ross

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What is the valet mode?

Bill

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

is there something wrong with the 01270003 tun?

This version of the EFILive Tuning Tool has not been
configured to display this PCM's operating system.

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Please make sure you also copied the set of *.cal files that were on the download page into -
:\Program Files\EFILive\V7\Calibrations

EFILive will display that message if there is no matching cal file for that O.S number.

Cheers,
Ross

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Originally Posted by BowlingSS

What is the valet mode?

Bill

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Bill,

Included in the download was a pdf file -
"Custom OS Upgrade Tutorial.pdf"

It is all covered in that.

Cheers,
Ross

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Originally Posted by GMPX

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

is there something wrong with the 01270003 tun?

This version of the EFILive Tuning Tool has not been
configured to display this PCM's operating system.

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Please make sure you also copied the set of *.cal files that were on the download page into -
:\Program Files\EFILive\V7\Calibrations

EFILive will display that message if there is no matching cal file for that O.S number.

Cheers,
Ross

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I checked it ross and there is no cal for this, it seems to be missing in the zip file you guys have to download.

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

I checked it ross and there is no cal for this, it seems to be missing in the zip file you guys have to download.

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:oops: :oops: :oops:
You are correct, it is missing, I'll get Paul to redo the zip in the morning.

Cheers,
Ross

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Originally Posted by GMPX

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

I checked it ross and there is no cal for this, it seems to be missing in the zip file you guys have to download.

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:oops: :oops: :oops:
You are correct, it is missing, I'll get Paul to redo the zip in the morning.

Cheers,
Ross

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Thought maybe it was me doing something wrong.

Hey ross get to bed it 2 am over there

Is OS 3 out now or just OS1?

Bill

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Originally Posted by GMPX

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Originally Posted by BowlingSS

What is the valet mode?

Bill

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Bill,

Included in the download was a pdf file -
"Custom OS Upgrade Tutorial.pdf"

It is all covered in that.

Cheers,
Ross

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I got it thanks,
Bill

Hey ross fix my OS 3 yet?

12202088 GM OS doesnt work with 01250003 said not correct cal for this OS

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

12202088 GM OS doesnt work with 01250003 said not correct cal for this OS

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I am running 01290003 and found that (from memory anyway) I couldn't go straight from 12225074 (stock OS) straight to 01290003.

You may have to upload 01250001 or perhaps 01250002 first, and then use the 12202088 cal on those before going to the V3.

That's what I found anyway...

Hope that helps.

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by 87gmc

12202088 GM OS doesnt work with 01250003 said not correct cal for this OS

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After three tries it took it.

Did they go into the V3 Custom OS, or did you have to step through a previous V1 or V2 edition?

FWIW my 12202088 cal went right into 01250003... no errors.

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Originally Posted by SS2win

FWIW my 12202088 cal went right into 01250003... no errors.

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That is the one I am going to when I get my upgrade.

Bill
:D :D

I just upgraded my 2001 to OS3. Just make sure B3647 is in AFR units. I was in EQ Units and I set it like the Doc and car would not start. It was only about 15 times toooooo rich...

Bill

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Originally Posted by BowlingSS

I just upgraded my 2001 to OS3. Just make sure B3647 is in AFR units. I was in EQ Units and I set it like the Doc and car would not start. It was only about 15 times toooooo rich...

Bill

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Must make a note of that in the Custom OS Tutorial.
Paul

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Originally Posted by GMPX

At this stage I would encourage all 1999/2000 vehicle owners to upgrade to a 2001+ O.S, we just cannot implement some of the features we have planned into the 1999/2000 O.S's, so at some stage you folks might feel you are missing out.


Cheers,
Ross

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How does somebody with a 1998 upgrade?

Get a newer PCM.

hi new to the efilive stuff trying to cruch all this into my head just got a commercial system whats diff about a custom efilive o.s. trying to lurn all i can befor i dig into the twin turbo 582 i have to tune hoping i can do it with out any problems trying to lurn some on my own 8.1 with out pissing off the wife tosting some thing lol been reading lot of the post and the forms and datalogging my avalanch trying to lurn lot diff then the gen 7 or fast systems i have used any way just trying to figure out what the custom os is about :Eyecrazy: thanks

Hi. The custom OS's allow full speed density or open loop tunes with dual spark maps and functioning octane scaler. They also have expanded VE tables, along with a few other extra tables to help with boosted applications.
Keep us updated on your 582 project.

thanks so i see the efilive has custom os under file i looked at one is that where i pic them from and how do you know whats what allso on the autotune does that change the ve table to match your air fuel as you drive or do you have to datalogg the info and lay it over and make changes

my os is 12216125 i take it that number has to match all the way though to work

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Originally Posted by 69camaro5speed

my os is 12216125 i take it that number has to match all the way though to work

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I can't find that OS #. I'm going to assume that it is 12212156 in which case the correct custom OS for your stock OS is 020200xx series.

Apologies if this is not what you are asking.

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Originally Posted by 69camaro5speed

my os is 12216125 i take it that number has to match all the way though to work

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From memory that O.S was used on the E85 Fuel trucks, we never did a custom O.S for that one. In the many months they have been out you are the only one that has ever asked!.

Cheers,
Ross

i looked again when i load the tune file it said os 12216125 cal.id 12216131 this is for a 2002 avalanch 8.1

:Eyecrazy: WOW lots of information to absorb. I have 00 WS6 and now I understand that I need the commercial version. No problem...I am ready to upgrade. I saw where the OS has different versions. Which OS year/version is the latest I can use and should I upgrade in small steps (ie. 00 to 01 to 02) or should I just jump from 00 to the latest and greatest...Yes I am I.T. guy too and have to have all the patches and SP's:exactly: Will the newer OS be easier to do the WBo2?
It was also mentioned that "EFI will have some very, very neat stuff in the final stages of testing right now that will make the commercial upgrade well worthwhile"... what is the "neat stuff" and should I wait a bit before upgrading??
I have also noticed that a lot of people like the dual spark map. Why is it better than single spark map?
On a side note what WB02 is best? I have been looking at the LC-1 and it looks good to me. Does the display from the cable readings display through the laptop or do I need a seperate display?

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Originally Posted by ws6togo

:Eyecrazy: WOW lots of information to absorb. I have 00 WS6 and now I understand that I need the commercial version. No problem...I am ready to upgrade. I saw where the OS has different versions. Which OS year/version is the latest I can use and should I upgrade in small steps (ie. 00 to 01 to 02) or should I just jump from 00 to the latest and greatest...Yes I am I.T. guy too and have to have all the patches and SP's:exactly: Will the newer OS be easier to do the WBo2?
It was also mentioned that "EFI will have some very, very neat stuff in the final stages of testing right now that will make the commercial upgrade well worthwhile"... what is the "neat stuff" and should I wait a bit before upgrading??

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I would say you could probably update to the 2001 or 2002 OS used in the WS6. I'm not 100% on that though (we only have Holden's down here).

There is very little difference (generally) between the 2001 and 2002 OS. I have checked several and they all have the same tables. I know exactly where you are coming from being an I.T guy, I am too :). These OS's are not like your PC OS's so don't try an compare them ;)

Tuning with a WB02 is easy in al OS's, there is nothing specific in the custom OS's that affect your ability to tune.

Neat stuff that I am aware of:
- Throttle position referenced fuelling
- Custom OS for NOS (N20)

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Originally Posted by ws6togo

I have also noticed that a lot of people like the dual spark map. Why is it better than single spark map?

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Basically because it restores the ability to have adaptive spark maps while running speed density (MAFless). If running speed density on the stock OS's you only have the low octane map referenced.

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Originally Posted by ws6togo

On a side note what WB02 is best? I have been looking at the LC-1 and it looks good to me. Does the display from the cable readings display through the laptop or do I need a seperate display?

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The LC-1 is fine, a lot of guys use those cause they are a pretty good price. Basically what happens is that you wire the wideband output into the FlashScan unit and then log a PID that brings that data into EFILive (your laptop) logs.

Hope that helps a little...

Cheers,

Yes...thanks for the answers Tordne

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Originally Posted by ws6togo

:Eyecrazy: WOW lots of information to absorb.

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ws6togo,

take one piece at a time, and "play" with the software alot;
read a tuturial and do a "dry run" first, understand all the steps;
when you're not sure about something, ask questions until it's clear;
there's a bunch of nice people here who are willing to help out...:rockon:
run the scan tool alot and check out as many PIDs as you can;
you'll do well, no worries mate.

Cheers,
Joe
:cheers:

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Originally Posted by joecar

ws6togo,

take one piece at a time, and "play" with the software alot;
read a tuturial and do a "dry run" first, understand all the steps;
when you're not sure about something, ask questions until it's clear;
there's a bunch of nice people here who are willing to help out...:rockon:
run the scan tool alot and check out as many PIDs as you can;
you'll do well, no worries mate.

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Thanks, Its people like you, Black02SS, and others that make working with tuning cars a lot easier. I can see why more and more people are going to EFILive !!

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Originally Posted by Tordne

Basic summary below:

Only Version 1 OS has currently been made publicly available at this stage - 2 & 3 aren't far off

Version 1 - This will include the following -
Dual Spark Mafless with Octane scaler control.

Version 2 - This will include the following -
Dual Spark Mafless with Octane scaler control.
Valet mode speed limiter selectable via a toggle switch.
Two Step Rev Limiter for NON ETC cars.

This version is perfect for those who still want to run with a MAF and don't want to have to do a retune as you will have to do with Version 3.

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Just to clarify, if it's "MAFless" why do you still want to "run with a MAF", and as for "dual spark", that's 2 tables, not 2 flashes of the plug per compression stroke, correct? How does one select the alternate spark and the Rev limiter settings? Thanks!