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Thanks Eric, I think the serial number is embedded in the RR, so even the guts kit swap is going to have issues I think, I'm not done trying yet, let me try another person for help then I will let you know about the swap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth97
boy it sure is great taking 2+ hours just to adjust the TCC in my trans since I cant get my RR to work in my v6, I when there are known others who get this to work. ive sent Craig 4 or more emails with no response, must be he doesnt want to sell any RR's since I have even offered to buy another one, I dont even think he checks his e-mail, I only had 1 response right after he posted here, man this is really annoying!! :ranting:
Send him a PM.
It is not like him to not respond promptly to email,
he may not have gotten it or may not be able to.
Did you use the email form on his website? He usually responds to me on the first day. Maybe because your problem is complicated? I'd use the form on his website instead of his direct address.Quote:
Originally Posted by s10mods
I'm going to try to load the V6 tune in right now actually once I find it here. I guess in the name of us being tuning brothers, I'll eat my spare license swapping RR's for you if you would like if it takes the V6 file.
Dont try to waste an EFILIVE license, EFI live doesnt support the v6 files, only tunercat does. if we did swap RR units i believe we would have to contact paul or ross to have our licenses swapped. i am still trying to get mine to work, I just need to get ahold of Craig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth97
I meant I'll just spend a license to tune your RR in my hands if we do swap. I guess we could bother paul or ross but I have a license for the time being. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by s10mods
I just programmed your 2001 .cal file and it seemed to work fine except when I tried to read it the other software gave an error box saying the file has one or more incorrect checksums. That checksums may may be disabled or the file corrupt.
Now I programmed your 98 file. Again, seemed to work fine. Read it and same safety box.
My girlfriend has a 2002 V6 S10 and so does my dad. Lets figure out how I can test my RR on a live V6 for you on this end and then we will swap and I'll try to figure out why yours doesn't work.
I'm going to TC her V6 when she is sleeping tonight (LOL!). Can I program it into my 512k V8 RR and it will work or do I need a V6 PCM? I have a spare V6 PCM if this becomes necessary.
Let me know asap so I can go try this out.
Eric
if it is a v6 s10 it should be the 0411 pcm which I assume is what your RR is, mine is a 0411, the V6 car pcm is different, it is a 717. your RR should work just fine in a 2002 S10, but you would have to swap the guts out in to a 717 to make sure it totally works, then find a 2001 ish L67 3.8 717 equipped FWD car for testing.
IT WORKS!!!!!!!! I just have to give props to John from TC, I sent him an e-mail and I had a response within 12 hrs with the fix, I had an old version of the RR program was my problem. any time I have ever had a question he always responds way faster than anybody i have ever delt with. Thank you John :master:
Guys, on the V6 PCM, we started to add support for them some time back but the project never got completed. At that time the E38 & E67 ECM's just hit the streets and we thought that support for them was more important than spending another month or so on the V6 PCM.
2 years on unfortunately we just haven't had a chance to get back to the V6 PCM again.
On a positive note though, we were working on all PCM's from about 98 through to the last of the 3800's which I think is still used in one model using the P05 PCM.
One day we'll get there.
With Craig, I am sure he now has someone employed full time to handle support, check he's website to see if there is a support@ type Email address rather than trying to get him direct.
Cheers,
Ross
Awesome!! Glad to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by s10mods
I guess the obvious question for ross or paul then is are they willing to let efilive users have the same functionality with thier RR's as TC users by removing the serial check feature or giving people a way to work around it?
It's got nothing to do with the serial check, EFILive Tune has no idea what a 3800 V6 PCM file is. You can't just load a file in to some software and it just works!, EFILive needs to be understand the file layout of the V6 PCM, it needs to know map locations and layouts, at present none of this is defined in the software. If it was a 2 day job we would have done it a long time ago, unfortunately it is not.
RR should work on the 4cyl PCM though as the Tune software recognises those files.
Cheers,
Ross
Ross, John and Joe are tuning their RoadRunner with TunerCATS. TunerCATS and the RR use a different operating system than EFI Live and the RoadRunner and so basically you cannot tune with TC and then try to read with EFI Live. When you switch between the two softwares, it erases your RoadRunner completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Just so everybody is in the loop here. Joe, John and myself all own EFI Live and TunerCATS. We all started with TunerCATS because we didn't know whether to pick HorsePowerTuners, EFI Live, or if another product on the market had any advantage (Hypertech, Superchips, LT1Edit) or just forking out $10K for the GM stuff would be our best bet. We discussed this in a forum post for ages.
TunerCATS allowed us to program unlimited PCM's (for playing and learning) and had a very attractive price tag. A few hundred dollars and then you buy Definitions for more cars if you need them, rather than one license per car as EFI Live and others seem to do. EFI Live is also about $800 to get started with. The entry in can be steep. Remember, I'm only 27 today. I was much younger and much poorer back then.
So a bunch of us got into the Group Buy and bought TunerCATS. We are glad we did because it was only offered a short while. Less than a year I think but not sure.
After using TC and seeing screenshots of the updates to EFI Live and the other software, we all decided that while it had its benefit other software (with that higher price tag) was worth the extra money it cost.
So a bunch of guys bought EFI Live and I followed soon thereafter (when I got an extra $800, phew). TC has advantages, and so does EFI Live. EFI Live is an awesome product, as is TC. Support for TC is slower and less but still there. Support for EFI Live, well, you know the deal so far! Excellent! I guess with EFI Live you are paying for updates and support with your $800 and it does show.
Have I gotten my $800 worth? CERTAINLY! Commercial Scan and Tune was the best investment so far. Still have one license left I haven't used.
Eric
Right, now I see the problem, well, I don't really know what is going on but I 'get it'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth97
Cheers,
Ross
Ross, I think the question was to give the ablilty to flash any tune supported by EFILive in to your licensed RR unit weather it is licensed as a 512K or 1024K, I could not flash a 1024K file in my "512K" RR, EFILive told me that my RR was a 512K and that the file was not compatible..Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
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Originally Posted by s10mods
post #70Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Moates
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Originally Posted by mr.prick
you dont understand, What is being said in that post is that you cannot flash a 1024K file in a RR that is installed in a 512K pcm and have it work. The RR will accept any file, it is assumed that the RR will be installed in the correct pcm for which the file is intended. I now have a 717 pcm running a RR, I also have a 242 pcm that is setup to install the RR. what we are saying is it would be nice to be able to flash any supported EFILive file in to a RR, but it is locked to the file that you originally purchased it for. IE if you bought a 1024K RR you can only flash 1024K files to it with with EFILive, if you bought a 512K RR then you can only flash a 512K file to it with EFILive. I can use TC with the 411, the 717, and the 242 all with the same RR, not locked.
I might be wrong here as I am only going off memory, but at some stage Craig might have had 2 x RR types for the LS1, 512K & 1Mb, obviously programming a 1Mb file in to a RR 512K PCM would result in problems, and vica versa.
It sounds like we have some sanity checks involved more than a money grab exercise forcing you to purchase both types.
Cheers,
Ross
How different are the LLY, E40, E38 and similar ECM's from the PCM's that the RR currently works in, electricly? I know the above ECM's have a "Fitment issue" with regards to the RR, but if one got brave and took apart one of the ECM's, would a RR "Guts Kit" work with one from an electrical standpoint? How about the LBZ/LMM? They're 2MB, IIRC, but if the RR was upgraded to support 2MB ECMs, would it work with a LBZ or LMM ECM?
Correct. Can you add something in the Advanced Options to allow S10Mods to flash a 1024k file into his 512k RR? Maybe an OverRide?Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
check out post 70, http://forum.efilive.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=70Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Craig said the RR units will accept up to a 1mb file and that they dont care what pcm they are installed in to. what he is refering to not working is if you upload a file in to it that is not a match to the pcm the RR is installed in, that is what wont work. like if I didnt remove the emulator from my LS1 pcm and tried to run the ls1 pcm in my v6, that wont work. but since I put the RR in a v6 pcm and flashed the v6 file, it now works. what we are wondering is can EFILive give the permition to flash a 1mb file in to our purchased as 512K RR and vice versa? for this to work correctly it is assumed that the RR will be installed in to the proper pcm for which the file is intended for.
The LLY, E40 use a different flash chip than the LS1, LB7 etc, Craig might not have designed it to handle emulation of a burst flash device even though they are 1Mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar281
The E38 & LBZ ECM's are even worse, burst flash but also 32 bit, plus running at 50MHz or so, not low 20MHz rates like the LB7.
I'll ask Paul to look at this thread, he will need to confirm why the restriction is in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth97
Cheers,
Ross
I built in a check to make sure the correct file was going into the correct RR device. We have to cater for everyone's skill level- if you know what I mean.
That said, I figured someone would want to bypass that check. So to bypass it, just hold down the Ctrl and Shift keys while clicking on the RR full flash icon.
But if you do that, then we are not responsible for the aftermath if/when the RR PCM fails to operate the target vehicle correctly.
Regards
Paul
Thank you, I cant wait to try it out, I know the RR makes tuning so much faster, I am so glad that it works in my grand prix. I just finished tuning the trans parameters, it didnt taks much time at all to get it right where i like it.:grin:
Yeah, we should finish off support for those V6's one day :music_whistling_1:
That would be excellent. :rockon:Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
Funny... honda people and Crome use a pretty darn long cable.
Ross.. I am missing something.. .v6 3.8s?
GM 3800 support would be great. maybe some day it will be avail.
The RR works on it with TC2, but just not a big demand for 3800's.....
Shame, I would love to run my RR with EFILive, it datalogs great, no issues at all.
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Originally Posted by s10mods
Are the RR Guts kits still for sale? Cant seem to find them on the moates website?
Contact Moates, they may be able to point you to another source.Quote:
Originally Posted by auspeed
I might be wrong but I think Moates no longer does any RR kits at all, the project is dead for good. If they tell you otherwise please let us know in this thread.
My customer here in LA tried to get a 411 RR from Moates, they told him it would take 3 months due to parts supply problem...
( let me verify this )
Did you find out what happened with the RR from Moates?Quote:
Originally Posted by joecar
He obtained one from a third party... do you want me to get you details...?Quote:
Originally Posted by kangsta
Yes please
ok, I'll probably talk to him on Monday (tomorrow).
I contacted Moates the other day in a e-mail,They said about 2 weeks for a 0411pcm Roadrunner