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2010 Camaro
One day the customer experienced this problem after jabbing the throttle hard on the street. It happens every once in a while when starting the car, especially if you have to crack the throttle to start the car. Other times it happens under a hard acceleration in 1st gear, if tires spin and I am off the throttle then back on the throttle.
Tune is MAF only. All of the necessary airflow tables have been changed
If you have another throttle body try swapping it. I have also seen on supercharged cars the extension harness has issues with the pins and you loose the signal on one of the tps signals.
Also make sure the charging system is good.... Ie alternator....
DTC P2122
Circuit Description
The accelerator pedal assembly contains 2 accelerator pedal position (APP) sensors. The APP sensors are mounted in the pedal assembly and are not serviceable. The APP sensors provide a signal voltage that changes relative to the position of the accelerator pedal. The engine control module (ECM) supplies a separate 5-volt reference and low reference circuit for each of the APP sensors.
The APP sensor 1 signal voltage increases as the pedal is depressed, from approximately 1 volt at rest to above 2.5 volts when fully depressed. The APP sensor 2 signal voltage decreases as the pedal is depressed, from approximately 4 volts at rest to less than 1 volt with the accelerator pedal fully depressed.
If the ECM detects that the APP sensor 1 signal voltage is too low, this DTC sets.
DTC Descriptor
This diagnostic procedure supports the following DTC:
DTC P2122 Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensor 1 Circuit Low Voltage
Conditions for Running the DTC
• DTCs P0601, P0602, P0603, P0604, P0606, P0607, P0641, P0651 are not set.
• The ignition is ON or the engine is operating.
• The ignition 1 voltage is more than 5.23 volts.
• DTC P2122 runs continuously once the above conditions are met.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The APP sensor 1 voltage is less than 0.3625 volts for more than 1 second.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
- The control module illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) when the diagnostic runs and fails.
- The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Freeze Frame and/or the Failure Records.
- The control module commands the TAC system to operate in the Reduced Engine Power mode.
- A message center or an indicator displays Reduced Engine Power.
- Under certain conditions the control module commands the engine OFF.
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
• The control module turns OFF the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) after 3 consecutive ignition cycles that the diagnostic runs and does not fail.
• A current DTC, Last Test Failed, clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
• A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other emission related diagnostic.
• Clear the MIL and the DTC with a scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
• Use the J 35616 Connector Test Adapter Kit for any test that requires probing the ECM harness connector or a component harness connector.
• If DTCs P0700, P2122, P2128, and P2138 are set together in various combinations, inspect the APP sensor 1 and 2 signal circuits for being shorted together.
• For an intermittent condition, refer to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections .
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
- This step tests the internal circuits of the APP sensor 1 throughout its range of motion. If this DTC sets when slowly moving the pedal from the rest position to wide open throttle (WOT), replace the APP assembly for an internal fault.
- The ECM produces a measurable steady-state amperage that provides the 5-volt reference to the APP sensor 1. If the amperage on the 5-volt reference circuit is less than 80 mA, there is a condition with the 5-volt reference circuit or the ECM.
- This step tests for high resistance in the low reference circuit of the APP sensor 1. The ECM must be completely powered down to obtain an accurate resistance reading. It may take up to 30 minutes for the ECM to power down after the ignition key is removed. Removal of the ECM/TCM fuse allows the ECM to power down completely.
Step Action Values Yes No Schematic Reference: Engine Controls Schematics
Connector End View Reference: Engine Control Module (ECM) Connector End Views or Engine Controls Connector End Views1 Did you perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle? -- Go to Step 2 Go toDiagnostic System Check - Vehicle in Vehicle DTC Information 2
- Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
- Observe the accelerator pedal position (APP) sensor 1 voltage parameter with a scan tool.
Is the voltage less than the specified value?0.36 V Go to Step 5 Go to Step 3 3
- Observe the DTC information with a scan tool.
- Slowly depress the accelerator pedal to wide open throttle (WOT), then slowly return the accelerator pedal to the closed position.
- Repeat this action several times.
Did the DTC fail this ignition?-- Go to Step 13 Go to Step 4 4
- Observe the Freeze Frame/Failure Records for this DTC.
- Turn OFF the ignition for 30 seconds.
- Start the engine.
- Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame/Failure Records.
Did the DTC fail this ignition?-- Go to Step 5 Go to Diagnostic Aids 5
- Turn OFF the ignition.
- Disconnect the APP sensor harness connector. Refer to Accelerator Pedal with Position Sensor Replacement .
- Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
- Set up a DMM to test amperage on the 400 mA scale.
- Measure the amperage from the 5-volt reference circuit of APP sensor 1 to the low reference circuit of APP sensor 1, with a DMM.
Is the amperage more than the specified value?80 mA Go to Step 6 Go to Step 9 6
- Turn OFF the ignition.
- Connect a 3-amp fused jumper wire between the 5-volt reference circuit of the APP sensor 1 and the signal circuit of the APP sensor 1.
- Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
- Observe the APP sensor 1 voltage parameter with a scan tool.
Is the voltage within the specified range?4.8-5.2 V Go to Step 7 Go to Step 10 7
- Turn OFF the ignition.
- Remove the engine control module (ECM)/transmission control module (TCM) fuse from the underhood fuse block.
Notice: Do NOT use a test lamp to test the continuity of the circuit. Damage to the control module may occur due to excessive current draw.
- Measure the resistance from the low reference circuit of the APP sensor 1 to a good ground, with a DMM.
Is the resistance less than the specified value?10 ohms Go to Step 11 Go to Step 8 8
- Disconnect the ECM.
- Test the low reference circuit of the APP sensor 1 for an open or high resistance. Refer toCircuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?-- Go to Step 15 Go to Step 12 9 Important: The 5-volt reference circuits are internally and externally connected at the controller. Other sensors that share the 5-volt reference circuit may also have DTCs set. Disconnecting a sensor on the shared 5-volt reference circuit may isolate a shorted sensor. Review the electrical schematic and diagnose the shared circuits and sensors.
- Test the 5-volt reference circuit of the APP sensor 1 for the following conditions:
- A short to ground
- High resistance
- An open circuit
- Repair as necessary. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?-- Go to Step 15 Go to Step 12 10
- Test the signal circuit of the APP sensor 1 for the following conditions:
- A short to ground
- High resistance
- An open circuit
- Repair as necessary. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?-- Go to Step 15 Go to Step 12 11 Test for an intermittent and for a poor connection at the APP assembly. Refer to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections and Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?-- Go to Step 15 Go to Step 13 12 Test for an intermittent and for a poor connection at the ECM. Refer to Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections and Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.
Did you find and correct the condition?-- Go to Step 15 Go to Step 14 13 Replace the APP assembly. Refer to Accelerator Pedal with Position Sensor Replacement .
Did you complete the replacement?-- Go to Step 15 -- 14 Replace the ECM. Refer to Control Module References in Computer/Integrating Systems for replacement, setup, and programming.
Did you complete the replacement?-- Go to Step 15 -- 15
- Clear the DTCs with a scan tool.
- Turn OFF the ignition for 30 seconds.
- Start the engine.
- Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC. You may also operate the vehicle within the conditions that you observed from the Freeze Frame/Failure Records.
Did the DTC fail this ignition?
torque tables....
max them all out for all gears including neutral
Howard, I have all that information although I do appreciate you copying and pasting it for me. There are also similar TSB's for passenger cars and light trucks I am investigating
Tre-Cool, it is not Torque table based or anything that would jump out. This randomly started happening one day with no tune changes. The car was working fine for a while
Paul,
I had this problem on a supercharged car a few months back. It ended up being an issue with the pins going into the TB. According to GM you can only unplug the OEM plug 1.5 times before its deemed not usable. The issue is that its seeing a voltage variance between the two TPS signals. One reads 0-5 and the other basically reads 5-0. It knows where each voltage will be as it skews back and forth. If one TPS drops the signal or deviates outside GM's limit it will trip this code.
Does the car have a harness adapter for the TB?
HT
That was your white car. I remember discussing this but thought you said after a certain amount of time it just went away or what happened. I know it went into REP mode but what codes were being displayed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Redline Motorsports
The codes reference APP sensor only, not TB; however I will look into this as well.
We can see the problem with the Tech2 and everything leads to replacing the ECM but that does not fix it. All wiring checks out per GM specifications. APP sensor 1 voltage drops too low during crank and it will do this at WOT. Eventually 1 and 2 disagree and it goes into RE{
Turns out it was an aftermarket transmission controller improperly wired causing the problem. All is fixed now. Thanks for everyone helping out
I assume you guys where tapping into the TPS circuit post PCM? The additional draw from external devices will cause a voltage drop and push the TPS voltage on the 0-5 sensor outside the "allowable" range. Good catch..Quote:
Originally Posted by Meister
Yes the white car had it and it resolved itself....still don't know why but we had another car that tripped the same DTC's and it was from a connection.
I guess the diagnostics where doing there job!
HT
We did not install the system. Fixed now with a custom harness.
Isn't it a lot of fun fixing someone else's install... :chair:
It seems odd that a miswired transmission controller caused a P2138 code to appear. Was the transmission controller wired to one of the APPS circuits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meister
I am having a similar issue - P2138 and a few other codes. ECM low reference circuits for the APPS show between 15 and 50 ohms of resistance, while they should be 5 ohms. That