is anyone doing this. or is it possible?
thanks,
Ben
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is anyone doing this. or is it possible?
thanks,
Ben
If the tablet runs standard Windows (i.e. WinXP/7/8)(i.e. not Windows CE/Embedded).
I must be too old school, I grew up with keyboards and a mouse (actually, I started without a mouse). I recently purchased a new laptop, just an Acer Corei5 running in 1366x768 video mode (best laptop I've ever had BTW). I just couldn't imagine trying to tune a car on a tablet. We've even had people ask if we will ever produce a TUNE tool for the iPhone, imagine massaging the Virtual VE table on an iPhone :bash:
interersting thanks for the info. i have been think of getting tablet. and if i do might as well get one with multi purpose thanks.
Out of interest, I am currently running Windows 8 (x64 915412) on my laptop and EFILive seems to run fine.
Thanks for the infoQuote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
We haven't done exhaustive testing, it was more a case of, I wonder if this will work.
The code base between Win7 and Win8 is pretty similar, most of the changes have to do with the new Start screen and the removal of all start menu stuff. Ive only installed Win8 on 2 PCs and Server 2012 on 1, all my Win7 x64 drivers worked just fine (which is better than Vista->W7).
I'm very exited for the release of windows 8 and the integration of touch screens, I think it will make workflow for us much easier in the long run.
I plan on grabbing this very soon: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-...-35427786.html
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Flips from tablet to laptop, with a stylus this will be a great tool for us.
On a desktop I don't like it, there's just more steps to get to where you want. But, they probably saw that touch screen computing is where it's all heading. Mind you, who made the decision to remove the start button? Thankfully it can be restored with 3rd party software.
Ive been running win8 for a while.
I skip the metro interface its crap. Check out classicshell on sourceforge.
No problems flashing here on x64 Win8
It's funny isn't it, that is what everyone wants to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ringram
I do understand that the metro thing would work ok on a tablet, but it sure sucks on a desktop PC.
Win 8 is going to be great to standardize everything across desktops/laptops, tablets, and phones. That said, my work laptop has Win 8 x64 RP (havent upgraded to RTM yet, too busy with other stuff) and with a touchscreen, I can see why Microsoft went this way. For everything without a touchscreen, Im not a fan. Ive tried ClassicShell, not a fan. Look at Stardock's solution, seems to be the best out there so far. Not perfect, but usable enough.
I fully believe that laptops are on their last leg, with Android , Apple, and now Win8 plus the likes of Asus Padfone, really only thing keeping laptops alive is Winders, get Bill and Steve out of their old beliefs and the laptops will finally perish.
Can't EFILive be made into a App?
As for Winders8 and Metro, what is that. (being facetious)
Only Winders users are left wanting something different, "It's new but I want the old", never stops.
Really? Just because these new gadgets are cool for playing Angery birds on (misspelt on purpose so the forum didn't add the emoticon) doesn't mean the old laptop is on the way out. It doesn't make sense to me, people buy the biggest screen they can find for a desktop computer and for mobile they want the smallest possible and expect to work with the same efficiency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy366
I think that list might extend a little further than those two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy366
Sure, modifying a virtual VE table or spark map on a 2" x 3" screen sounds great. :music_whistling_1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy366
But, please explain why this would be a good idea, really, think about how you tune on a laptop with a real keyboard and a touchpad (or better a mouse) then translate that to how you use an iPad. But then, I am pretty much anti everything that comes out of Cupertino.
You don't get it, there may be a niche where a large screen is needed granted, but with the Cloud and other storage avenues there is getting more of a less of a need (does that make sense?) for a device that contains a large storage area, thus large screens are disappearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMPX
You seem to think you need a large screen to accomplish tasks, perhaps you do, but not all of us.
A tablet is 7 to 10 inches and areas that can be zoomed for magnification, I use a 14 inch laptop all the time for tuning, works well, and besides a phone, tablet can be hooked up to a monitor, TV via the HDMI/USB port that can be used as a very large display and has mouse and keyboard support too.
With my phone I can hook up to my TV and see it in a 65" of 105" with my projector, or 21" monitor.
A 7 or 10 inch tablet is good enough to log with and do a few adjustments in the field, and then if you need bigger, dongle it to a larger source.
I fully believe that EFILive could be made to use touch based input as well as gestures (no not that gesture, middle finger doesn't count) for tasks. I know logging is possible already on phones, devices have multipurpose micro USB ports (charging and data communication).
EFILive is your product I will use it it in what ever fashion you present it in, but a version for tablets would be nice.
To throw my 2 cents out there on this, tablets should not ever replace laptops with people who do anything more than buy stuff online. Not with any of the current interface I've seen. And I wouldn't trust cloud computing with anything halfway remotely secure.
But, if something were to be developed for the smart phone/tablet I really wish it was the ability to use them as an autocal. I think more people would be interested in getting a tune if there was just an app and a cable to buy. It would seem like the cost could be a lot less and have almost zero overhead expenses but who knows how hard it would be to simulate the CANbus on an iPhone.
All that said, Linux rules...
ya i could see a tablet for loging or dash board ( my race car) but for actual tuning no
Apparently not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevy366
He does :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheelz
But Chevy366, as EFILive does run in Win8 ok, why not try it on a Win8 based tablet?
Some dyno shops use a large 42+" flat screen TV connected to their PC/laptop... :cheers:
I don't know how comfortable I would be tuning on a tablet, but for certain I would love to see a mobile app for scanning, logging and even some DVT features.
I know it's not going happen, but I was talking about an EFILive mobile app.
update: I did end up getting that tablet/win8 computer and it is absolutely amazing at running efilive. I will make a video after I get a bit smoother with it. Highly suggested for someone looking to upgrade hardware!
I've run EFILive in Windows 8, but on a laptop, not a tablet so I'd be interested to hear what you've found.Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1mike
Please do post up a short vid of EFILive being used on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1mike
http://youtu.be/tXnI4qxGIzk
Here is the video I promised!
Covers a few topics and even a little tip for the developers on the next platform ;) Thanks again!
Great info coverage on EFIlive on a Tablet ls1mike.Quote:
Originally Posted by ls1mike
Maybe you will open some eyes and ideas will finally evolve.
Thanks hope it helps! Feel free to msg me if you have any questions.
Excellent review Mike! You make some very valid points we can all relate to I'm sure. I want that thing
Thanks for taking the time to video a demo. You can't argue with the general ease of use for a tablet; but I don't see a true a advantage or benefit (at least yet) for using a tablet versus a laptop for tuning. In fact it looks likes you lose some editing functionality when in tablet mode versus keyboard which almost defeats the purpose of the tablet for tuning. I was going to go the same route but I decided on a Dell XPS 14 Ultrabook which works very nice. I would definitely consider a tablet if EFILive incorporated some features or increased functionality for a tablet.
Thanks. You make a good point, honestly if you had a touchscreen laptop the effect would basically be the same. You do lose effectiveness in tablet mode for tuning but with the keyboard out I use my fingers to navigate and select and manually the numbers so it is much faster than a non-touch screen. Tablet mode is more handy than I originally even thought just yesterday I was using it to reference a PDF wiring harness in tablet mode while working on something and it was very easy to just hold in one hand and read like a book.
EFILive and every other windows programmer works off a set of preconstructed elements to build from to save time. Eventually the new stuff will trickle down to every application we use, but scaling like I demonstrated in the vid would be awesome!
edit: you have no idea until you try it how fast and easy web browsing is with your fingers (touches save button)