2010-2015 Cummins Tuning Support moves into Beta

EFILive is pleased to announce that our beta program to support the Cummins 6.7L 2010-2012 ECM (CM2200) and the Cummins 6.7L 2013+ (CM2350B) has commenced. Like our support for the LML Duramax, we've had to make some technical adjustments to support these platforms compared to our usual method of platform support.

Re-flashing of both pickup and C&C tunes is working successfully, taking between 7 to 8 minutes on both ECM types, a significant improvement over the factory tool which generally takes about 25 minutes on the 2013+.

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Mapping for the 2010-2012 ECM, and the 2013+ ECM has been finalized over a select number of operating systems, and the Anti-Tuning disable patch on the 2010-2012 has been implemented in an identical fashion to the CM2100 2007-2009 6.7L ECM. Scan tool functionality is also being tested.

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Due to the ECM's architecture, 2010-2015 Cummins support does not adhere to the typical "EFILive process" for tuning supported vehicles. EFILive generally requires customers to first read and save their ECM file, then edit the calibrations before finally flashing the modified tune back into the vehicle, however it is not possible to read the CM2200 and CM2350 ECMs via the OBDII Port. Customers will need to obtain a base file for editing and flashing purposes, and It is expected that a library of stock tunes will be available prior to public release.

CSP5 for both ECM types is planned, however will not be available for our initial public release. Like CSP5 for existing platforms, the space constraints of each ECM will limit the parameters made available for switchable tuning.

Given the ECM controls both engine and transmission functionality for 68RFE equipped vehicles, transmission support is likely, however at this point of time development for transmission parameters has not commenced.

This confirmation of direction for expanded Cummins support also means that EFILive is now unable to dedicate the required resources for Cummins 2003-2005 SCI development in the foreseeable future. EFILive regretfully advises that after placing this project on hold for more than 12 months we will no longer pursue support for this platform, but will shift our focus to newer controllers. We would like to thank those people who ask regularly about SCI support, and wish them the best in finding a suitable tuning tool for their vehicle.

Beta software for 2010-2015 Cummins support is only available to existing EFILive beta testers. As soon as this software is thoroughly tested, a public pre-release version will be made available to all EFILive customers.

Regards,
The EFILive Development team

Sweet, now I can start shopping for a 4th gen.

Thank You!

Awesome work EFILive crew!

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I don't even know what to say. I am so happy right now. Where do I buy stock in EFI Live??

Awesome news!!!

Makes me want to buy a 2015 aslo but it will probably be a 2016 hoping that EFI will be able to tune it as well when it comes out.

Awesome.

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I can't wait to be able to tune and log finally. The guessing game with MCC and shop scan tools was getting really, really old.

Will we need to unlock a 2013+ ECM before we can flash it with efi live? Or is the software capable of doing that already?

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Will we need to unlock a 2013+ ECM before we can flash it with efi live? Or is the software capable of doing that already?

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Yes, the ECM needs to be unlocked first either by cracking open and hot wiring the ECM, or by using a product like the BullyDog unlock.

Cheers
Cindy

So with the BD unlock can it be used more than once or is it a one time one per truck use?

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So with the BD unlock can it be used more than once or is it a one time one per truck use?

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As many trucks as you want right now. You have to do the full unlock process, load the bullydog tune file, then flash back to stock with the bullydog. That leaves the ECM in a tuneable state and the Bullydog unlocked for another truck.

Estimated price

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As many trucks as you want right now. You have to do the full unlock process, load the bullydog tune file, then flash back to stock with the bullydog. That leaves the ECM in a tuneable state and the Bullydog unlocked for another truck.

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I had heard that the unlock process can only be done once per tuner, after that it is still unlocked to flash any other supported vehicles but cant be used to unlock any additional ecms.

Do you have experience that says otherwise?

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Originally Posted by WyoFreeride

I had heard that the unlock process can only be done once per tuner, after that it is still unlocked to flash any other supported vehicles but cant be used to unlock any additional ecms.

Do you have experience that says otherwise?

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As far as I know it will work. The unlock cable is only needed once and can be used on multiple trucks (I've done this). I have one that I've done an unlock with already I'll have to try on another truck.

It looks like one has to have the gt tuner also with the unlock cable?

Unlock cable is one time use only

But the gt tuner is multiple use?

Is this going to be like the lml where we don't get access to the dtc list?

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Is this going to be like the lml where we don't get access to the dtc list?

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Ugh please say it isn't so. Lml take the fun out if tuning.

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But the gt tuner is multiple use?

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Yes there is nothing special about the gt tuner

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Ugh please say it isn't so. Lml take the fun out if tuning.

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I'm sure us people won't have access just like lml stuff

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Originally Posted by comnrailpwr

Ugh please say it isn't so. Lml take the fun out if tuning.

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Been using mcc witch works ok but I really think I can clean my truck up more with efi.I am a do it myself kinda guy so I am not buying a tune if it doesn't do what I want it to do.At least I can finally log tho.That will be a huge plus.

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Unlock cable is one time use only

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Unlock cable definitely isn't one time use. I've done 3 trucks with the same cable.

Ok cool thanks

EFILive has stated elsewhere that calibration restrictions for 4th gen 6.7 will be same as LML. If you are outside of the states deletes will be available, inside the states the software will not allow access to delete tables.

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Unlock cable definitely isn't one time use. I've done 3 trucks with the same cable.

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Same cable and same GT Diesel tuner or same cable and different GT Diesel tuner?

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Originally Posted by WyoFreeride

Same cable and same GT Diesel tuner or same cable and different GT Diesel tuner?

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Same cable different GT.

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Same cable different GT.

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Ok so one cable for multiple trucks and one gt tuner per truck?

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EFILive has stated elsewhere that calibration restrictions for 4th gen 6.7 will be same as LML. If you are outside of the states deletes will be available, inside the states the software will not allow access to delete tables.

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Based on what I see on the LML Tuning FAQ thread, deletes are not available even outside of the us.

Q - When will EFILive offer emission defeat calibrations for the LML?
A - This is a tricky one, outside of the USA it may be quite legal to remove DPF etc, currently we can't control who gets access to what so for now there is no emissions defeat calibrations planned. If you already have the DPF deleted then EFILive is probably not going to be suitable for your truck.

Hows your HEX these days??? ;) ;)

Edit: Just realized this was my first post on EFI forums... awkward. :music_whistling_1:

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Estimated price

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EFILive pricing won't change with this release.
FlashScan V2 with the cummins tuning option is $899.
AutoCal pricing is dependent on the value a tuner places on their work.

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Based on what I see on the LML Tuning FAQ thread, deletes are not available even outside of the us.

Q - When will EFILive offer emission defeat calibrations for the LML?
A - This is a tricky one, outside of the USA it may be quite legal to remove DPF etc, currently we can't control who gets access to what so for now there is no emissions defeat calibrations planned. If you already have the DPF deleted then EFILive is probably not going to be suitable for your truck.

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That FAQ is outdated. Emissions calibrations are available for LML customers depending on region.

Cheers
Cindy

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Ok so one cable for multiple trucks and one gt tuner per truck?

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according to bully dog web site you can use both the cable and tuner multiple times as long as the tuner is returned to stock. there is reset fee capability if you accidently fuster this up.
http://www.bullydog.com/reset_fees.php

Will it be both ecms at once?

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Originally Posted by cindy@efilive

EFILive pricing won't change with this release.
FlashScan V2 with the cummins tuning option is $899.
AutoCal pricing is dependent on the value a tuner places on their work.


That FAQ is outdated. Emissions calibrations are available for LML customers depending on region.

Cheers
Cindy

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I just want to clarify and make sure that I read everything correctly. Am I going to need to have a system like bully dog in order to use EFI LIVE to tune with or will efilive be by itself?

Does efilive plan to offer a in house solution to the bullydog unlock? If you can't answer this I would understand..

Also for those asking about the GT reusability, I'm almost positive it's 1 unlock per GT, after you use it to unlock the ECM you can program(tune)a different vehicle like normal, but never unlock another cummins.

Its going to make the tuning costs for an unlocked truck quite high unfortunately.

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Its going to make the tuning costs for an unlocked truck quite high unfortunately.

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I don't see why tuning an unlocked 2013+ would be any more costly than a 2006-2012. Once the ECM is unlocked, it's business as usual using EFILive, you just can't read the stock tune out. Cindy has said that by time of release, a database of stock tunes SHOULD be available though. I can see initial tuning cost on a 2013+ being much higher though due to the initial unlock cost.

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Am I going to need to have a system like bully dog in order to use EFI LIVE to tune with or will efilive be by itself?

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The BullyDog 'box' is the only thing capable of unlocking the 2013+ ECM so it will accept a modified tune, so yes you will need one or your tuner will need to do the mod for you with the BD box.

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Does efilive plan to offer a in house solution to the bullydog unlock? If you can't answer this I would understand..

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Not at this stage because the process is not done via the OBD-II port, the communication port BD are using to do this, our software is not configured to work with and it is a big job to make it work. The fact that a solution exists probably takes the pressure off us to do something as well.

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I can see initial tuning cost on a 2013+ being much higher though due to the initial unlock cost.

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Yes correct, it is the initial unlock cost that is the difference to any other ECM prior to 2013. At the same time a 2007 Dodge truck doesn't cost $60K either so it is all relative. Nobody is price gouging on this, it is the price we pay with the new technology in the 2013+, we should all be thankful the BullyDog box is available to begin with. :thumb_yello:

Cheers,
Ross

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