SO where is the Beta section for Standalone Flashing ? :wallbash:
Is it there yet , is there yet ? :doh2:
:gossip:
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SO where is the Beta section for Standalone Flashing ? :wallbash:
Is it there yet , is there yet ? :doh2:
:gossip:
I don't think Paul's quite ready for BBF just yet.
He said maybe at the end of the month. :bawl:
Good news for AutoCal people but I cant spend $150 for an AutoCal unit right now, guess Ill be waiting for FlashScan BBF... :(
The FlashScan standalone reading/flashing will be running in parallel with the AutoCal firmware/software beta release, so you can still participate with your FlashScan V2. The only downside is that if there is a problem with the beta software or firmware you might have a non-usable V2 until we can fix the problem.
Regards
Paul
Sure, I realize that's how it reads, that's is exactly what I mean. You can still participate and test or just try out the software and firmware free using your FlashScan V2.
Just interested in your point of view, did you expect that EFILive would be giving away AutoCal units for testing? I had considered doing that, but with our past experience of beta testing, it is a sure way to sort out the folks who are: "I just wanna play with new toys free of charge" v's the folks who are: "I am serious about testing and am prepared to pay to show how serious I am".
By the way AutoCal's will not retail for $150 when they are released publicly. The $150 price tag is a considerable discount.
Also I should point out that the AutoCal units used for beta testing differ slightly from the final product in the following ways:
1. The beta units do not have circuit protection on the power, and/or USB lines, the production units do.
2. The beta units do not have a serial I/O built in*, the prodcutions units do have serial I/O built in. The serial I/O allows a serial data stream (like wide band O2) to be logged.
* Not being built in means the beta units will still support serial I/O but require an external interface circuit.
Those differences influenced our decision to sell the beta units at a considerable discount instead of retail.
Regards
Paul
No I know you cannot afford to give away AutoCal units free Paul, just the way your post is worded makes it sound like beta testing for flashing is ONLY for AutoCal units and NOT FlashScan ones. I would buy an AutoCal unit and use it for testing/feedback/etc but I just cannot afford $150 right now. Being in college without a job means a very limited budget so some things I simply cannot purchase.
Ill be testing with my V2 when I can, helping read and tune the P10 PCMs all day long! :D
Paul is pointing out that you can still beta test BBF using your V2.Quote:
The FlashScan standalone reading/flashing will be running in parallel with the AutoCal firmware/software beta release, so you can still participate with your FlashScan V2. The only downside is that if there is a problem with the beta software or firmware you might have a non-usable V2 until we can fix the problem.
Thanks for the explanation Paul .
I saw that, but it also states, kind of at your own risk, and not on a production unit, because it may break something, and you might have to wait for a fix .
Believe me I am ecstatic about the possibilities of SF , will make life so much easier . :)
Just remember American's are in bad shape right now , we don't have all the spendable cash we use to have . :secret:
So anyone with a V2 can try the beta software without having to fill out an application?
I know joe, I was merely pointing out that in the beta testing forum the way the post is worded it seems like testing is ONLY for AutoCal and that FlashScan users are SOL. I know I can participate now, Im just trying to help people after me so they arent confused like I was before Paul clarified it.
That is an option, the beta software will be posted on the web site.
However, the beta forum won't be public and will only be made available to testers that have submitted an application and have been accepted.
The reason is we can't have hundreds of people all reporting back issues, suggestions, changes etc. The management of those reports becomes too much to handle and the testing process gets bogged down. When we have a small group of testers, each with a particular area of expertise or testing platform available, then it remains manageable.
So even if you are not part of the beta test group, you will be able to try out the software (at your own risk).
Regards
Paul
I am so sure that $150 is way under the cost of these units.
I hope they pick me. have access to lots of lmm/lbz/llys
I hope BBF will be provided to V2 owners for free. I purchased my V2 in 2006 under the impression that I would not need a laptop in a couple of months. Since then I have had to purchase a laptop to get my shit to work and it died earlier last year from overheating the graphics card. I am not going to buy another one so my EFILIVE is completely useless....
It's getting ridiculous. I could of purchased a V1 under the pretense that this was going to take so long to come out.
You need to read the definition of "beta test". Being in a beta test is about taking a risk in trade for some reward. In this case mostly getting an early chance to play with something. I've gotten T-Shirts, mugs, a rear-view mirror for my monitor, and a Flashscan for being a beta tester. I've also lost everything on my hard drive more than once and the last hours edits of source code more times than I can remember. Risky is testing an editor, insane is testing disk defraggers and caches. I've done all of that, mostly for a few thousand dollars worth of free software. Sometimes when your contribution is way beyond what's expected you get something really amazing, the FlashScan was like that, more often you just get free software. The best reward for me is when I end up with a product that works better for me because the authors listened to and thought about what I had to say.
But before you become a beta tester for anything, make sure the risk is acceptable. And remember, there's always risk. In this case at the easy end it might be you can't tune for a month and if you're desperate you get to pay overnight shipping both ways for me to put it back to the old firmware, or if it really goes to heck your car might not run for a week or need a new ECM. So that's the risk in beta testing EFILive, and with something like stand alone flashing the risk factor is considerably higher then with a lot of other things.
Now you get to think about the past and what problems you've heard about in previous betas, how they were handled and what you can put up with.
And you'll usually end up signing a non-disclosure so you can't officially talk about it except in the beta section or on the phone with another tester or the author.
So think about what it means before you make the choice.
Ira
what is the general agenda for this beta testing, just trying to get a heads up on what would be involved.:secret:
Well first you would need to submit an AutoCal beta tester's application, unless you have already and I missed it.
http://www.efilive.com/index.php?opt...orm&Itemid=135
Regards
Paul
Did things start and I missed it, or are we running behind schedule?
Rgds
Jim
:rockon::cheers::grd:
Not quite sure where to post this, so figure I would here where the AUTOCAL has been mentioned. I was talking to a tuner the other day about my conversion I am doing, and he mentioned the AUTOCAL as possibly being a good route for me to take once it's available. I understand this unit allows stand-alone flashing with a tuners pre-loaded tunes, but what else will it do? Will it be able to work with EFILIVE tune tool as well similiar to that of the V2? I'm not looking to do engine tuning myself, I found one I want to do that part. My question mostly pertains to gear changes, speedometer settings, and changing shift points some to match my set-up. It is an 01 DMAX/ALLY that I am swapping into an older body style SUBURBAN and may want to make tweaks to some of the settings to make it all work. Will the AUTOCAL be able to do this, or will I need to get a V2?
The AutoCal units are designed to be sold to end users and supported by workshops, dealers, resellers. EFILive will most likely not be selling single units to the general public. There will be a number of features that tuners can turn on or off before selling AutoCal units to their customers.
With the most features turned on (the most expensive option) AutoCal will behave almost the same as FlashScan and will allow full scanning, logging and tuning duties. Obviously it has no external inputs and no SD card so it will be limited in its scanning duties by those missing features.
With the least number of options turned on (the most cost effective option), AutoCal will perform scanning, data logging and reflashing of preloaded tunes only. In this minimum configuration the end user will rely on the tuner that sold the AutoCal unit to make changes to any tuning parameters.
So it will really be up to the tuner that you purchase AutoCal from what options you and the tuner decide to activate.
Regards
Paul
Thank you:thumb_yello:. Sounds like the right option for me. I don't need any real adjustments for fueling or timing, just maybe an idle tweak, speedometer, gears, and possibly some torque management with a shift point change. Never know how it will react in a different vehicle being set-up for road trips and some moderate towing vs factory built for general useage.
Looks like people will need to get creative to log AFR.Quote:
it has no external inputs
There is a serial option*... but using it requires opening the AutoCal and soldering onto the circuit board. A fairly trivial hack but one that will void the warranty.
*The serial option (logically identical to the serial port on FlashScan) was required in order to program the Infineon CPU during manufacturing.
Regards
Paul
The AC beta is going well :)
Think of it as a great solution to mail order tuning
Any idea when BETA testing will be complete and the unit will be available? I'm anxiously awaiting this product as it sounds perfect for what I am doing. I already found a company to do my tuning, just want to have limited adjustemnt capability.
I'm sure the guys have a schedule in mind, but the most solid answer is, it will be released after stability is proven. Hang in there.
What are the prices associated with getting setup to sell Autocal units?
OOOO tricky!
Hows the BBF testing going guys. Can we see the light at the end of the tunnel for a public version yet?