Wide Band Poll

[Chuck CoW]

My first LM2 SUCKED. Broke my balls...and died.

An innovate rep told me that the early LM2s had problems and arranged to replace mine 6 or 7 weeks later than promised, but I finally got it.

When I called a second time, the guy I spoke to denied that anyone ever told me anything like that...So I asked....

"Why did you send me a FREE REPLACEMENT LM2 if there was no issues with the early ones????" You been caught LYING!

The second works flawlessly with efi live serial, but...The sensors are GARBAGE!

They tell me "we don't understand...We sells tons of them..."

TRANSLATED: The sensors are cheap consumer grade Volkswagen GARBAGE. They will fail if you stare at them too long. 1 sensor only lasts for 2 jobs and we'll sell you tons of them (since you have no other options) and we'll get rich selling you crap!

Then, you call innovate and 3 different reps tell you 3 different stories...and then you get that young kid over there with the bad attitude that tells me it's my fault they fail...Who wants to punch him???? I do.

How can a dyno operator put other brand sensors in the tailpipe after the cat, spit moisture on them, drop them on the floor, and make hundreds of dyno pulls with them and the sensor the innovate uses dosen't last for 2 or 3 quick street tunes?????

Anyone have a better suggestion for a portable wideband or a different sensor that might work with the LM2????

When I asked innovate if I could use a better quality sensor then their crap VW junk, they told me that the unit was designed on that sensor and that no other sensor could be made to work...

Is this crap or can someone help me find a sensor that will last that I can retrofit to the LM2???

Anyone want to buy 20 slightly used (dead) innovate WO2 sensors????Cheap!

Chuck CoW

[mr.prick]

LOL the Bosch sensor is not durable for %&$!
I have to replace mine yearly and they are going up in price.
I think it is the firmware that Innovate refuses to fix.
If a Reichswagen can use them and not need replacing so often why do I need to
replace mine so often?
I can't believe those chicken %&$!s answered the phone for you Chuck,
they treat they're customer like %&$!

[turbo_bu]

Stupid question - I have an old LM-1 and it has a switch in it for chaning over from a Bosch (LSU style) to a NTK (L1H1). I have never had to do this since my old Bosch unit still appears to work just fine.

Are there similar options or settings on the LC-1 and LM2???

[jetblast]

i always had my suspicions that the average budget wb systems were not terribly accurate for wot tuning, and so i have always relied on several parameters for a sanity ck.{kr,nb02s,idc,ipw,ect}, but above all, is the visual inspection of the spark plug for a master reference. additionally, i do not trust interfacing the wb data, and so i always get it directly from source. i'm glad to know the average wb sensor sys. reads slightly leaner. i don't have egt indication or an exhaust gas analizer, but they would certainly be helpful in obtaining a solid wot tune. i have had the lm-1 for several seasons, and i'n very happy with the performance.

[mr.prick]

LC-1 = Bosch only
LM-2 = ?

[GAMEOVER]

LC-1 = Bosch only
LM-2 = ?

LM-2= Bosch only too! Thats from what I see.

[ScarabEpic22]

See this makes me nervous to throw down the $330+ for an LC1 and a WBO2 guage for my TBSS. Ive heard people are having huge issues with them, I talked to a local tuner who swears by AEMs WBO2s and says he has never had a problem with them. Bought a new one after 2-3 years and he does dyno tuning every day 5 days a week. I just read the WBO2 comparo and the AEM doesnt rank that high so Im lost. I just want a quality WBO2 that I can output to my V2 and a digital guage mounted in my dash. Thats it, I cant afford to be without one or have one fail as often as the LM2s are.

[swingtan]

My first LM2 SUCKED. Broke my balls...and died.

You have it fitted in the wrong place, it should be fitted to car.....

[GAMEOVER]

You have it fitted in the wrong place, it should be fitted to car.....

Funny guy...hahaha!!!