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    Default Custom PID's for different fuels I.E E10 & E85

    This is what I have.....

    GAS....{EXT.AD1} * 2 + 10

    E10.....{EXT.AD1} * 1.923 + 9.614

    E85.....{EXT.AD1} * 1.332 + 6.662

    STOICH values that I use are as follows

    GAS = 14.63

    E10 = 14.12

    E85 = 9.78

    do my PID's look correct based on my stoich values that I use?
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    I'm having DéjÃ* vu
    You need to give the Lambda output range (min-max) to make a proper expression.

    Here's how to create a WBO2 expression:
    Maximum Lambda - Minimum Lambda = Lambda Range
    (Voltage=Maximum Lambda) - (Voltage=Minimum Lambda) = Voltage Range

    (Lambda Range/Voltage Range)=Slope
    Minimum Lambda=Intercept

    (Volts*Slope)+Intercept=Lambda

    For AFR
    (Maximum Lambda*Stoich AFR) - (Minimum Lambda*Stoich AFR) = AFR Range
    (Voltage=Maximum AFR) - (Voltage=Minimum AFR) = Voltage Range

    (AFR Range/Voltage Range)=Slope
    Minimum AFR=Intercept

    (Volts*Slope)+Intercept=AFR

    If you can log Lambda directly (serial connection) things would be much easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.prick View Post
    I'm having DéjÃ* vu
    You need to give the Lambda output range (min-max) to make a proper expression.

    Here's how to create a WBO2 expression:
    Maximum Lambda - Minimum Lambda = Lambda Range
    (Voltage=Maximum Lambda) - (Voltage=Minimum Lambda) = Voltage Range

    (Lambda Range/Voltage Range)=Slope
    Minimum Lambda=Intercept

    (Volts*Slope)+Intercept=Lambda

    For AFR
    (Maximum Lambda*Stoich AFR) - (Minimum Lambda*Stoich AFR) = AFR Range
    (Voltage=Maximum AFR) - (Voltage=Minimum AFR) = Voltage Range

    (AFR Range/Voltage Range)=Slope
    Minimum AFR=Intercept

    (Volts*Slope)+Intercept=AFR

    If you can log Lambda directly (serial connection) things would be much easier.
    slow down there buddy, im still a newb at this....im lost now...
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    Ok, ok
    Use the spreadsheet in the bottom of my sig.
    Fill out everything in column B except the yellow cells, then fill in the value of {B3601}
    It is already filled out for the LC-1's factory programmed analog output #2
    if you program the LM-1 to the same value you can just fill in {B3601} to volts cell for the new expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.prick View Post
    Ok, ok
    Use the spreadsheet in the bottom of my sig.
    Fill out everything in column B except the yellow cells, then fill in the value of {B3601}
    It is already filled out for the LC-1's factory programmed analog output #2
    if you program the LM-1 to the same value you can just fill in {B3601} to volts cell for the new expression.
    ok lemme try this...ill still prob mess it up...do u have aol aim by any chance...lol
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    i tried it but i still dont get it.... way too complicated

    the spreadsheet makes no sense to me, u might as well speak chinese...lol
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    Andy,

    Based on the LC-1 being programmed for gas being 14.7, here's what I come up with:

    GAS (stoich 14.63): {EXT.AD1} * 1.990 + 9.952
    E10 (stoich 14.12): {EXT.AD1} * 1.921 + 9.605
    E85 (stoich 9.78): {EXT.AD1} * 1.331 + 6.653

    So for example, if the LC-1 was reporting 2.35V those equations would give:
    gas AFR = 14.629
    E10 AFR = 14.119
    E85 AFR = 9.781

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    How about this, you post up the settings you have for the WBO2 and
    the value of {B3601} and I will give you the expression.
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    He wants the wideband driven gauge to match up with what the scantool sees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.prick View Post
    How about this, you post up the settings you have for the WBO2 and
    the value of {B3601} and I will give you the expression.
    sure...

    custom setting in the lc1 14.12 afr

    it automaticly sets analog 1 and 2 to....

    0v=9.59
    5v=19.19

    1v=9.59
    2v=19.19

    but can i keep this setting?

    analog 1

    0v = 10
    5v = 20

    analog 2

    1v = 10
    2v = 20

    lambda is this no matter what i set the afr to

    0v = 0.680
    5v = 1.360

    1v = 0.680
    5v = 1.360
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