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    Default Where is all my timing going??? Log attached

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    I have been working on tuning this car for a buddy of mine and I am getting pretty close, but it is pulling timing in boost and jumping around. I can't seem to find any one particular place it is coming from. I know I have it set up to remove some timing due to IAT's over 100F. What I don't understand is why it is pulling so much and why it is so jagged. It is getting almost no knock activity, but it is running a little too rich and has a small hesitation when coming into boost. Here is a log file...
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    03 z06 auto
    ver7.5.5 custom OS5
    415 ci
    239/255 .624 lift LSr grind
    16psi
    Meth injection
    PLX WB02

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    Have you tried logging the Burst Knock pid? After a quick look timing appears to go weird with large a change in airflow.
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    I can log burst knock...but why doesn't knock show up on the log? It does have a pretty bad miss when rolling into the throttle right as its coming into boost. Anything else I should log? Here is another log I made earlier tonight.
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    03 z06 auto
    ver7.5.5 custom OS5
    415 ci
    239/255 .624 lift LSr grind
    16psi
    Meth injection
    PLX WB02

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    It has been a while since I played with Burst Knock. But I am sure it does not show in the normal KR pid. Burst Knock is predictive, so any peaks or valleys in the VE table appears to set it off .
    There are a few EST spark pids that may be useful in a log. If BKR doesnt show to be the problem you may need to log a few of these that are applicable to the set up.
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    For LS1, the burst knock pid is EST_KBR_DMA.

    Like 5.7ute said, burst knock retard is predictive and does not show up in the KR pid.

    The KR pid shows retard due to only detected knock, not predicted knock.

    You may have to log the EST_xxxx_DMA pids to see where timing is going.

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    I went and looked for that PID but I can't find it. I can find 2 different burst knock pids and one was for the e38 and the other for diesel. What am I missing? I don't see it.

    On a side note I have my fuel system boost referenced and I have modified LS9 injectors and I can't seem to pull enough fuel out of the tune in boost. Drivability is fine, but when I lay into it I go full rich on the wideband and it hesitates and sputters and shows full rich on my Wideband. However in the scanner it shows AF in the low 10s range. I have subtracted enough fuel that my boost ve is nearing the same numbers as my main ve. I'm guessing I'm going to have to keep pulling fuel until I get the sputter out. What has me scared though is it sounds like KNOCK. I don't detect any knock, but I don't know what else to do.
    03 z06 auto
    ver7.5.5 custom OS5
    415 ci
    239/255 .624 lift LSr grind
    16psi
    Meth injection
    PLX WB02

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    What OS id...?

    Also, uncheck Supported on the PIDs tab.

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    I unchecked supported and still do not see it. Any other ideas.

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    03 z06 auto
    ver7.5.5 custom OS5
    415 ci
    239/255 .624 lift LSr grind
    16psi
    Meth injection
    PLX WB02

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    6th one down..
    The screen-shot is from your EFI Log..
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    Boy do I feel like an idiot....

    I'm going to go log it tonight. I will report back what I find.
    03 z06 auto
    ver7.5.5 custom OS5
    415 ci
    239/255 .624 lift LSr grind
    16psi
    Meth injection
    PLX WB02

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