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    I didn't hear any boom or popping. It sounded a lot like detonation & it only did it when I would try to let the car idle. I'm logging using my laptop so I will get rid of the PIDs I don't need

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    ok, i got all the additional PIDs selected & removed the analog PIDs that weren't needed. i'm gonna go try this again in a few minutes, hopefully with better results. i'm starting to actually get into this now, must be because i'm seeing how the car reacts to different things. lol

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    Let us know. Thats a pretty big cam. Were all the PTC clearances checked?

    I would hate to have a Piston and Valve clanking..That would cause KR at Idle!
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    Weatherman, i did check the Piston to Valve clearance when i installed the cam. it's tight, but TSP said it was ok. i asked them what they typically saw before i told them what i had. when i was logging today, i did notice some KR but nothing like yesterday. it was mainly when i would pull out somewhere too it seemed. i'll post todays log up

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    Definitely looks a lot better..especially your overall fueling.

    Still some work to do. Just keep following the AUTOVE, applying Filters, Bens, technique, etc. The one thing I did notice is that your WOT is now a little lean. That happens a lot with a cam. You can still have too much fuel down low, and not enough up high.

    Much better though..Oh, how was your Idle?
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    thanks for the good words Weatherman. i used a stock 02 VE map & decreased it by 10% up to, i believe, the 12 or 1600 rpm area. i figured that would help the idle, which it did. now, do i keep repeating the AutoVE logging till i get most of the cells hit? i still gotta figure out the filter thing too & what all data i need to filter. i'm hopeful that 5.7Ute will chime in about the injectors & how everything looks as far as they go. also should i maybe bump up the VE table that i'm using in the upper RPM rang to keep from going lean? i think an oil change is gonna be in order over the weekend, after having the engine running so rich

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    Yea, I am pretty impressed by the improvement. Open-Loop can be challenging, but you made a lot of progress in one log.

    Just download the AUTOVE Tutorial and read it over and over. I think 5.7ute has commented before on his technique when logging Open-Loop. He uses cruise control, gentle throttle transients, etc.

    Concentrate on the BENS. In most cases you just 'Paste' and 'Multiply' to your VE Table directly (after filtering, etc). The following is your unfiltered BENS from you last log. 1.09 (upper Rpms) means you need 9% more fuel to hit your Commanded.

    Just keep reading and logging. Your on your way now..
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    EFILive Closed-Loop MAF/SD Hybrid Tune..


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    From a quick look the injectors arent causing any issues yet. That may change once you get actual to commanded to converge but we will take this one step at a time. Filter out the transients with your BEN filter & apply to your tune. Then relog & post the new log with the modified tune file.
    To dial in the idle cells you need to isolate these with a filter from the rest & apply this correction to your idle cells. Something like TP=0 and VSS=0.
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    WeathermanShawn. Might be worth checking your filter.
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    ok, now the whole filter thing has me stumped. is there something that i missed in the tutorial? also what am i copying & pasting once i do figure the filter stuff out? maybe it's some of the terminology thats confusing me. lol
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