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    Bob, try this attachment...(you may have to hit Zoom to expand)..

    Also, make sure you are running Tuning software 147 or later. This version of CALC.VET requires a serial WO2 connection.

    As always a number of the Pids 'validate' when you 'highlight' them. If you really know what you are doing you can apply almost all the Calculated Pids 'post-log'.

    Most of the new Pids will be under 'Calculated' or 'Tuning'.

    Hopefully in the next week I can publish a short "Quick Guide to CALC.VET Tuning".
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    Shawn,

    I attached a copy of my CALC PIDS (copied from yours lol), my previous CALC.PIDS and a shot of my PID list. I am using my NGK wideband on BEN 2 and EXT AD2. Does that I will use EXT.W2OEQR2 rather than EXT.W2OEQR1, and so on?
    A couple of my selected PIDS still show an X through them. I dunno. What am I missing?
    Thanks
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    Bob, I take it you are using Analog WO2 in lieu of Serial?

    I have not worked out the CALC.Pid yet for Analog..but here is an educated guess..

    *CLC-00-110
    factor 0.5 1.5 .4 "{GM.EQIVRATIO} * {CALC.BEN_NGK2}"

    See you just want a BEN Factor. Really does not matter if Serial or Analog. But, we may need some expert help to configure if Analog WO2.

    You can drop Commanded AFR (use GM.EQIVRATIO)..probably drop the two Serial WO2 Pids if Analog.

    We just need a CALC.Pid for an Analog WO2 BEN. There is also an issue of the PRC numbering and CALC.Pids. They have to be in sequence. So a little tricky, but doable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeathermanShawn View Post
    Bob, I take it you are using Analog WO2 in lieu of Serial?

    I have not worked out the CALC.Pid yet for Analog..but here is an educated guess..

    *CLC-00-110
    factor 0.5 1.5 .4 "{GM.EQIVRATIO} * {CALC.BEN_NGK2}"

    See you just want a BEN Factor. Really does not matter if Serial or Analog. But, we may need some expert help to configure if Analog WO2.

    You can drop Commanded AFR (use GM.EQIVRATIO)..probably drop the two Serial WO2 Pids if Analog.

    We just need a CALC.Pid for an Analog WO2 BEN. There is also an issue of the PRC numbering and CALC.Pids. They have to be in sequence. So a little tricky, but doable.
    uuughhh... I think I will revert back to the original CALC.VE method for now (it worked great last time). I need to get a new wideband at some point.
    Thanks
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    Agree.

    If your LTFTs are reasonable and not positive you can still compute a reasonable VE Table in the upper RPMs.

    I'm sure in a few more weeks we will have all the details on this updated method 100% done.

    Please let us know if we can help..and have fun with that SC!
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    I read through the tutorial. Looks like this does not work with V1?
    I'm missing the calc ltft, calc ltft ben, gm dynaairtemp_dma
    My cars are 98 and 2001 TAs.

    Oh the best part is while trying this, I accidently saved over my default metric pids. Ooops.

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    I've got build 149 and there is no tuning section in the pid list.

    {EXT.W2OEQR1}&{EXT.W2OEQR2} are for serial WBO2 only.

    To use {GM.EQIVRATIO} with an analog only WBO2 you need a pid for Lambda.
    NGK AFX Lambda = ({EXT.AD1}*0.096)+0.62 or ({EXT.AD2}*0.096)+0.62

    The "new" BEN pid will be ({GM.EQIVRATIO}*{Lambda})
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    Hey Mr. Prick:

    Thanks for the write-up on the Analog BEN Pid.

    I should have been a little more clear. You have to utilize the calc_pids.txt file attached to add the necessary Pids. We added 3 Pids to the 'Tuning' Section.

    The latest software updates were to allow for a successful nesting of several Calc.Pids. There was a software glitch prior to build 147 which caused a one-frame delay..Build 147 and later solves this.

    Let me know if the Pids still don't show up..

    Thanks..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozen WS6 View Post
    I read through the tutorial. Looks like this does not work with V1?
    I'm missing the calc ltft, calc ltft ben, gm dynaairtemp_dma
    My cars are 98 and 2001 TAs.

    Oh the best part is while trying this, I accidently saved over my default metric pids. Ooops.
    Frozen:

    You have to add the Calculated Pids to your calc_pids.txt file (same as the CALC.VE Tutorial). The file is located on page 1 of this thread, and also in the previous post.

    Sometimes you have to hook up your Scan Tool and enable the 'Validate Pids' Function. Some OS's do not have DYNAIRTMP.DMA available. There is a work-around for this, but hopefully that is not the case.

    We are in the final processes of incorporating the ability of Analog WO2's to also compute the CALC.VET. So, it will work with V1.

    It always takes a while to get a new Tuning method up to full steam. But it will be worth the wait, so thanks for your patience...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeathermanShawn View Post
    Frozen:

    You have to add the Calculated Pids to your calc_pids.txt file (same as the CALC.VE Tutorial). The file is located on page 1 of this thread, and also in the previous post.

    Sometimes you have to hook up your Scan Tool and enable the 'Validate Pids' Function. Some OS's do not have DYNAIRTMP.DMA available. There is a work-around for this, but hopefully that is not the case.

    We are in the final processes of incorporating the ability of Analog WO2's to also compute the CALC.VET. So, it will work with V1.

    It always takes a while to get a new Tuning method up to full steam. But it will be worth the wait, so thanks for your patience...
    I'm all about this getting simpler for us computer illiterate, that's why I bought this over hptuners. But I see no way to add new pids anywhere, or find any how to, to tell me how or where to do it. I see your codes on the first page but.. I've read both threads on this and have had no luck.
    I'm using the v1 with 7.5 and the latest update.

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