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    The after looks fairly good.

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    This was my drive home. It's a lot closer.

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    I know it's probably not necessary to keep posting up the logs and screenshots but I may as well keep doing it until my MAF is dialed in and I get a good usable reference for the VE table just in case someone new (like me) to this is looking for reference to see what it looks like from one adjustment to another.

    I did increase my MAF from 2500-6000 by .75% just to tilt it on the rich side of 1.0.

    Just as a note, my PE calls for 12.64:1. After getting the 6300+ MAF table more in line with that, the car 'feels' like it pulls easier.

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    After a few iterations the VE and MAF have to converge as the new maps are applied (i.e. stay the same).

    Yes, when it seems to pull better that is a sign that the AFR is getting close to what the engine likes.

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    Just to update, Im on tune edit (6) and Im now slowly chipping away making small adjustments to the 6500+ cells of my MAF table. I think it is interesting to see how far off my MAD table was after I got the car tuned.

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    This is a pic of a 3rd-4th short shifted WOT burst this afternoon. The AFR is just about where I want it through this range.
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    MAF Freq Edit 6 Original % Change
    1500 3.007813 3.007813 100.00%
    1625 3.648438 3.648438 100.00%
    1750 4.34375 4.34375 100.00%
    1875 5.0625 5.0625 100.00%
    2000 5.898438 5.898438 100.00%
    2125 6.773438 6.773438 100.00%
    2250 7.757813 7.757813 100.00%
    2375 9.507813 8.828125 92.85%
    2500 9.890625 9.992188 101.03%
    2625 11.039063 11.289063 102.26%
    2750 11.867188 11.4375 96.38%
    2875 12.828125 11.742188 91.53%
    3000 13.789063 12.296875 89.18%
    3125 14.296875 12.84375 89.84%
    3250 14.953125 13.398438 89.60%
    3375 15.914063 13.960938 87.73%
    3500 17.179688 14.5 84.40%
    3625 18.375 15.617188 84.99%
    3750 20.210938 17.09375 84.58%
    3875 21.710938 18.523438 85.32%
    4000 23.351563 20.078125 85.98%
    4125 25.40625 21.828125 85.92%
    4250 27.570313 23.890625 86.65%
    4375 29.164063 25.734375 88.24%
    4500 30.84375 27.601563 89.49%
    4625 33.34375 29.4375 88.28%
    4750 35.914063 31.671875 88.19%
    4875 38.601563 35.921875 93.06%
    5000 41.414063 40.226563 97.13%
    5125 44.359375 44.3125 99.89%
    5250 47.46875 48.070313 101.27%
    5375 50.8125 50.789063 99.95%
    5500 54.460938 54.21875 99.56%
    5625 58.46875 59.289063 101.40%
    5750 62.835938 65.0625 103.54%
    5875 67.28125 70.367188 104.59%
    6000 71.679688 74.476563 103.90%
    6125 76 80.679688 106.16%
    6250 80.242188 85.945313 107.11%
    6375 84.4375 91.007813 107.78%
    6500 88.921875 95.757813 107.69%
    6625 93.523438 100.296875 107.24%
    6750 98.359375 106.71875 108.50%
    6875 103.523438 113.382813 109.52%
    7000 109.085938 121.414063 111.30%
    7125 115.039063 129.023438 112.16%
    7250 121.359375 136.375 112.37%
    7375 128.039063 142.453125 111.26%
    7500 135.078125 149.132813 110.40%
    7625 142.5 155.109375 108.85%
    7750 150.265625 161.429688 107.43%
    7875 158.3125 168.820313 106.64%
    8000 166.578125 177.875 106.78%
    8125 175.015625 184.796875 105.59%
    8250 183.59375 190.851563 103.95%
    8375 192.28125 202.523438 105.33%
    8500 201.03125 213.828125 106.37%
    8625 210.234375 224.6875 106.87%
    8750 219.6875 235.296875 107.11%
    8875 229.421875 243.1875 106.00%
    9000 239.875 255.039063 106.32%
    9125 250.492188 267.140625 106.65%
    9250 261.4375 281.375 107.63%
    9375 272.820313 294.53125 107.96%
    9500 284.773438 308.015625 108.16%
    9625 297.40625 322.054688 108.29%
    9750 310.804688 335.515625 107.95%
    9875 325.0625 348.09375 107.09%
    10000 340.242188 359.851563 105.76%
    10125 356.375 373.523438 104.81%
    10250 373.453125 386.679688 103.54%
    10375 391.429688 400.429688 102.30%
    10500 410.234375 415.710938 101.33%
    10625 429.726563 431.382813 100.39%
    10750 449.796875 447.484375 99.49%
    10875 470.289063 460.796875 97.98%
    11000 491.070313 490.734375 99.93%
    11125 511.992188 506.734375 98.97%
    11250 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    11375 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    11500 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    11625 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    11750 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    11875 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
    12000 511.992188 511.992188 100.00%
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    The shape of the MAF(6) table looks correct (polynomial, consistenty increasing slope, no jerks/jolts).

    BEN(6) is looking very good (dead on 1.00) during both 3rd and 4th gear pulls (engine is loaded differently in each gear).

    Good job

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    Joecar - Thanks a million. Wouldnt have made it this far without your help.

    It makes so much more sense when someone is able to confirm the changes. Plus having my pid file fixed didnt hurt either

    Now that Im fairly squared away with the MAF and VE, I need to work on the occasional stalling I get when I come to a stop. Doesnt happen all the time, but it is definitely more frequent with the AC on. I'll look over the idle tutorial and give that a go.

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    can this be done w/o having factory narrowbands installed just using my lc-1
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    Quote Originally Posted by relentless addiction View Post
    can this be done w/o having factory narrowbands installed just using my lc-1
    Yes.

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