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    Default Mechanical Issue? Large variations in instantanious mpg

    I don't really know where to post this question because it isn't specifically related to EFIlive but rather the results I'm seeing in my vehicle and a possible mechanical issue preventing proper tuning. Mods: Please feel free to move this to a better section is necessary.


    2003 GMC Sierra Denali_6.0_4L65E_4.10:1_AWD_QS_138,000miles


    So I've been trying to get deeper into EFIlive tuning with Lean Cruise and DFCO and have been working on my GMC. The truck seems very solid and since I've completed some VE tuning it runs pretty smooth. The trucks is all stock with the exception of a Volant CAI + scoop and a set of Silverado E-fans. I just got back from a short trip and noticed something very odd as far as my MPG read-out on the DIC. At this point I'm getting between 15-18 mpg on flat ground at 65mph. On slight downhill grades it will go as far as 35mpg if DFCO hasn't engaged. On slight uphill grades it will go as low as 10mpg(worse of course on steeper grades). This uphill reading isn't always very predictable. There are times that I go up one hill and get Xmpg and then go up the next hill which seems to be steeper and get a better mpg reading.

    What I noticed this weekend though was a little out there. . . The 150 mile drive has grades, both up and down. Most of the time the DIC reading followed an expected value but at one point on the way to our destination, I started up a grade (from a pretty flat road) which should have caused a reading of 10-12mpg but I was showing 16-18mpg.

    On the way home today, I was showing 60mpg down hill with DFCO engaging, I hit the bottom of the grade and immediately started up the other side(again an expect 11 or 12mpg hill) and was showing 18-20mpg.

    This occurred in varying severity over the rest of the return trip. The only perceivable difference when this occurs is that the trucks seems more smooth and responsive when it is reading the high mpg. Unfortunately I didn't have EFIlive hooked up either time I noticed the anomaly but I did observe that the fuel mixture didn't go outside the normal range.

    I'm just wondering if this could be a mechanical issue. Perhaps a worn out timing set or torque converter/other transmission component. Or if there is an issue with the DIC read-out. (mostly I'm just hoping that it is a mechanical problem and if corrected I can get that kind of mileage regularly.)

    Jesse


    PS. this occurs with and without Lean Cruise or DFCO enabled.
    2003 GMC Sierra Denali
    6.0L, LQ4, AWD, 4WS
    Volant CAI w/ Scoop
    '06 Silverado E-Fans
    High Flow Cats
    Volant Cat-back
    Morimoto HID full retrofit /w all on mod
    All exterior lights LED (VLEDS) (except headlamps)
    LT285/70R17 Open Country AT II's
    Future: skyjacker 3" lift w/ rear add a leaf(hopefully)


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    How are you determining instantaneous mpg...?

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    The gmc denali's have a dic that shows Avg mpg, instant mpg, and miles left until empty.
    2011 Cadillac Escalade ESV. BTR 218/224 .553/.553 110LSA. Built 6L80 with 278mm Circle D 2800 stall converter.

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    I'll dig up a calc pid for instantaneous MPG which you can compare with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by andysc3 View Post
    The gmc denali's have a dic that shows Avg mpg, instant mpg, and miles left until empty.
    Quite right, Sorry was out for a couple of days.


    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    I'll dig up a calc pid for instantaneous MPG which you can compare with...
    That would be great Joe!
    2003 GMC Sierra Denali
    6.0L, LQ4, AWD, 4WS
    Volant CAI w/ Scoop
    '06 Silverado E-Fans
    High Flow Cats
    Volant Cat-back
    Morimoto HID full retrofit /w all on mod
    All exterior lights LED (VLEDS) (except headlamps)
    LT285/70R17 Open Country AT II's
    Future: skyjacker 3" lift w/ rear add a leaf(hopefully)


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    I haven't found it yet...

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    Is this it?


    MPG = {SAE.VSS.mph}/({GM.INJFLOW.lbpm} * ({GM.IBPW1}+{GM.IBPW2}/2) * {SAE.RPM} * 4/6250)

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    I think that is the one... where did you find it...

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    MPG Calc.pid

    Just did a google search. The one I found didn't average the two GM.IBPW's but I thought it might be more accurate with that.
    2003 GMC Sierra Denali
    6.0L, LQ4, AWD, 4WS
    Volant CAI w/ Scoop
    '06 Silverado E-Fans
    High Flow Cats
    Volant Cat-back
    Morimoto HID full retrofit /w all on mod
    All exterior lights LED (VLEDS) (except headlamps)
    LT285/70R17 Open Country AT II's
    Future: skyjacker 3" lift w/ rear add a leaf(hopefully)


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    If the IBPW's are different then there exists a problem.

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