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    Problem reading and writing LS1B controllers that previously read / wrote ok with V7.5 (512 and 1mb)
    Fails - Bootloader rejected
    Reason
    Controller has returned to normal operation, please retry the operation.
    Works with V8
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    Quote Originally Posted by izaks View Post
    Problem reading and writing LS1B controllers that previously read / wrote ok with V7.5 (512 and 1mb)
    Fails - Bootloader rejected
    Reason
    Controller has returned to normal operation, please retry the operation.
    Works with V8
    Does this happen with either of V7 tunetool and/or with V2 BBF...?

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    Only tried V2 Tune/Scan
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    Im not sure if this is a fixable bug or not, but it's literally been "bugging" me.

    With an LLY, you can pretty much enter whatever values you want into the tables. For example, the Main Injection Pulse {B0720} has a limit of 5000 microseconds, yet you can enter 5500 in any of the cells and save the file. It does this without any errors and when you re-open it, there are no errors/OOR cells. This seems to apply to most fuel-related tables in the LLY that use mm3, microseconds, or Crank Angle Degrees as their values. Tables with % and Factor units seem to work ok. {B0782} correctly limits entered values to 99.61, the max value allowed. {B0787} correctly limits to a factor of 2 as well.

    See the sample tune attached, it is the same one included in the default EFILive V7.5 installation.

    Some of the tables that I can verify do not adhere to the max value defined by EFILive:

    Main Injection:
    B0720
    B0721
    B0727
    B0729
    B0731
    B0740
    B0747
    B0751
    B0752
    B0755
    B0756
    B0761-B0780


    Timing Base:
    B0908
    B0909
    B0910
    B0926
    B0927
    B0928
    B0850

    Fuel Pressure:
    B1001-B1002 - defined limit of 250, yet actually limits values to 256 (makes sense because 256 is a hard limit).
    B1004
    B1006
    B1011-B1012
    B1014-B1019


    Tables that do:

    Main Injection:
    B0782

    Timing Base:
    {B0921}
    {B0902}
    {B0903}
    {B0904}
    {B0905}
    {B0906}
    {B0907}

    All boost-related tables (desired level, vane position)
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    Last edited by ScarabEpic22; April 10th, 2013 at 08:28 AM. Reason: Added sample tune file
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    Have an issue installing the RCs. My 'My Documents' folder, among others, is redirected to a network location.

    When I try to install the RC's, I'm getting the following errors:

    V7:
    Setup Can not create the following folder:
    \\Domain path\users\%username%\Documents\EFILive\V7.5\Bins\ Custom OS

    V8:
    Setup Can not create the following folder:
    \\Domain path\users\%username%\Documents\EFILive\V8\Config

    This has been the case for every RC I've tried to install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22 View Post
    With an LLY, you can pretty much enter whatever values you want into the tables. For example, the Main Injection Pulse {B0720} has a limit of 5000 microseconds, yet you can enter 5500 in any of the cells and save the file. It does this without any errors and when you re-open it, there are no errors/OOR cells.
    The B0720 table has a soft upper limit of 5,000ms but a hard upper limit of more than 30,000ms

    This is the text that is displayed if/when the hard limits are exceeded.

    EFILive enforces two sets of limits on each calibration's value(s),
    a hard limit set by the PCM and a soft limit set by EFILive.
    The soft limits are displayed at the top of each calibration window,
    labelled as Minimum and Maximum. If any calibration value exceeds the
    soft limits but not the hard limits, then that value is displayed with a thin red
    border indicating that the value is probably out of range.

    The hard limits, not displayed, are usually the same as the soft limits,
    except in rare cases where EFILive adopts a more conservative limit than
    the PCM. For example, the hard limits for spark advance are -64 to 64 degrees.
    EFILive imposes a more conservative set of soft limits of between -60 and 60 degrees.

    The hard limits cannot be exceeded. If a calibration file is loaded containing
    values that exceed the hard limits, those values will be coerced so that they lie
    within the hard limits and reported in this "Out of Range" tab page.

    EFILive will not permanently alter the "Out of Range" values, unless that
    calibration window is opened and at least one cell value is changed.
    In that case, all cells will be saved with their current "in range" values.

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    Paul
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    Ok thanks Paul, I know about the hard/soft limits. The values are surrounded by a thin red line so the soft limit is working. I just didnt know if it would hurt the PCM/ECM if you flashed a file in with OOR soft limit values and Im guessing it wont.

    Also, in V8 the Info button shows the correct version but the copyright date is only 1998, I believe before it was 1998-2012/13.
    Last edited by ScarabEpic22; April 10th, 2013 at 09:43 AM.
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    In V8 BBX, when I open file Options.txt it seems to forget that I checkmarked Auto (as in Automatic Transmission) on each pidlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22 View Post
    Ok thanks Paul, I know about the hard/soft limits. The values are surrounded by a thin red line so the soft limit is working. I just didnt know if it would hurt the PCM/ECM if you flashed a file in with OOR soft limit values and Im guessing it wont.
    What settings will/won't "hurt" the PCM (or more importantly the drive train) are not controlled by the hard soft or hard limits. The soft limits are really just sanity checks for catching mistyped values. The hard limits are limits that simply cannot be exceeded due to the bit size of the memory allocated to store the data.
    On some LS1's setting the speedo pulses per km (or mile) too high or too low - even while staying within the hard limits can brick the PCM. Although, because it happened too many times we changed the hard limits to prevent those extreme values from being entered. But there could be other calibrations that if changed to extreme values will cause either the PCM to fail or the drive train to be damaged.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarabEpic22 View Post
    Also, in V8 the Info button shows the correct version but the copyright date is only 1998, I believe before it was 1998-2012/13.
    I got annoyed at having to update the second part of the year range (i.e. 1998-2012) each time another year rolled by so I did some research to find out how other software companies handled it.
    Turns out you should only include the year of publication. So I went with that. Some places indicate that you should include a comma separated list of years when new/additional features were added. But in that case I would be adding a new year to the list every year which would be even more cumbersome.

    There are strict technical requirements as to what a copyright notice must contain if it is to serve its purpose of preventing an innocent infringer defense. A valid copyright notice contains three elements:


    • the copyright symbol ©, or the words "Copyright" or "Copr.,"
    • the year of publication, and
    • the name of the copyright owner.


    Regards
    Paul
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