Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: How does table B3649 work if 14.63 is not used

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    22

    Default How does table B3649 work if 14.63 is not used

    Table B3649 is a semi-open loop table that uses the O2 sensors to update the AFR only WHEN 14.63 AFR is inputted into the table. If you put any other value into the table it indicates that the PCM will be in full open loop operation with no O2 feedback and no STFT control. So, if this table commands say 13.5 AFR, where is the feedback coming from? Does it use the VE table- if so, why use table B3649 at all? Why do you need to set STFT idle to disable in table B4108 don't we want STFT correction?

  2. #2
    Lifetime Member limited cv8r's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    567

    Default

    Which vehicle / OS is B3649 in? Post up a tune with B3649 in it if possible.
    It's all good until it goes "Bang"

  3. #3
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by limited cv8r View Post
    Which vehicle / OS is B3649 in? Post up a tune with B3649 in it if possible.
    B3649 is a custom operating system that I am using in a GM 2002 Trans Am. It is shown on page 17 of the EFILive Custom OS upgrade tutorial documentation for LS1.

  4. #4
    Joe (Moderator) joecar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    28,403

    Default

    B3647 and B3649 do semi-open loop trimming when set to EQR 1.00 (i.e. regardless of B3601).

    ( i.e. stop using AFR units and start using EQR units )

    The OL feedback on stoich cells (EQR 1.00) is from the STFT's.

    Note:
    - B3647 is based on gasoline, so stoich (EQR 1.00) represents 14.68 (see B3601).
    - B3649 is based on E10, so stoich (EQR 1.00) represents 14.2 (B3601 would have multiple stoich values).

  5. #5
    Joe (Moderator) joecar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    28,403

    Default

    Post your tune file.

    Chances are that you're running the gasoline tables only.

  6. #6
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    Post your tune file.

    Chances are that you're running the gasoline tables only.
    Yes, you are correct, I am using B3647 table which is the gasoline table. I think that if I specify an AFR of say 14.0 in table b3647 then the computer looks at what values are stored in the main VE table for airflow to figure how much fuel to inject since there is no feedback from the O2s. If my wideband indicates an AFR other than 14.0 then I need to go back and edit the VE table. If I change table back to 14.63, do I need to change the STFT idle (table B4108) to disable? What happens if I leave it enabled?
    Also, I am trying to update the EFILive software and I am getting "unable to determine the installed version. the specified file could not be found. Which file is it looking for? I have build 230 of version 7.5.7.

  7. #7
    Joe (Moderator) joecar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    28,403

    Default

    Please install this software build: Update-Jun-21-2014

  8. #8
    Joe (Moderator) joecar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    28,403

    Default

    The contents of B3647 should have no effect on B4108.

    For non-trimmed (i.e. non-stoich) cells in B3647, yes any deviation in wideband measured lambda requires you to feed that (as a correction) into the VE table.

  9. #9
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    22

    Default

    Since I can't update my existing software, my only option is to download. Will downloading delete any saved tunes in the bin folder? I am also assuming all license info is stored in the V2 interface so it will not matter what computer I use to tune the same vehicle as the software will recognize the vehicle with the available license- right?

  10. #10
    Joe (Moderator) joecar's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Posts
    28,403

    Default

    No it will not delete your saved tune files... but go ahead and back them up any way (make a copy of the bin folder).

    Correct, PCM licenses are stored on your V2, so you can connect it to any PC.

    Please download from here: Update-Jun-21-2014

    and install both V7 and V8, and from V8 S&T flash the new firmware into your V2 (and configure V2 BBx)..
    Last edited by joecar; July 1st, 2014 at 08:58 PM.

Similar Threads

  1. No A/C torque reduction table in E38 tune? B4358 spark table?
    By Mean Green Z28 in forum E37, E38 & E67 PFI ECM's
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: June 19th, 2014, 01:30 AM
  2. Redoing my VE table can you double check my work?
    By myws6formula in forum Gen III V8 Specific
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: May 27th, 2013, 08:12 AM
  3. How does this Injector Flow Base table work?
    By 67SS509 in forum E37, E38 & E67 PFI ECM's
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: August 10th, 2011, 07:09 PM
  4. Replies: 4
    Last Post: June 25th, 2010, 04:08 AM
  5. scanner buttons work work?
    By pullincrazy88 in forum FlashScan V2
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: May 16th, 2009, 01:12 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •