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    Can someone explain this ID? {B4350} Maximum Desired Idle Area. Description: "This calibration limits the desired idle effective area."
    Has anyone altered this and discovered it's impact and what it's use would be?

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    Can't say that I have. I re-did my idle keeping all the IACEA tables/values stock. IIRC, the only time I've seen this value vary is from car to truck.

    As far as it's purpose, best I can tell it's an upper range limit on the IAC. This all goes back to PID control stuff.


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    Ok, then. I won't touch. I was just wondering if it would help any on a LSX90/90 car.

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    what's your idle doing?

    Edit: is this along the lines of the un-even trims at idle?
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    FWIW, I ran a Fast 90/LS2 setup with LS6/Shaner settings and really noticed no difference in idle characteristics. Stock B4350 in both cases.

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    I did play with it once on a heavily cammed car to get it to idle when cold.
    Had to raise it a fair whack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAQuickness
    what's your idle doing?

    Edit: is this along the lines of the un-even trims at idle?
    No, the trims are fine now, since I swapped the rockers.
    Idle is great. 800 rpm's with a nice little lope and no misfires. It's my transitions. The motor drops to around 500 rpm's when I blip the throttle when standing still in P/N. Also when rolling the idle will drop to 500 rpm's then surge to 1500, then drop to 400, then surge to 1600, then drop to 300, etc. If I let it go long enough it will stall. I'm going after the Throttle Follower and Throttle Cracker when I get home from work today and see If I can get those to help. I was wondering since I had more blade area if a trim on the B4350 would help. I'm for leaving it as you sayand going after it with the other tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Melton
    FWIW, I ran a Fast 90/LS2 setup with LS6/Shaner settings and really noticed no difference in idle characteristics. Stock B4350 in both cases.
    I've always had this issue after the h/c swap, though it's a little worse now using an LSX90 and NW90. I haven't touched my throttle follower and cracker yet. I'm going to lengthen the delays and play with the air. If I can find a trend then I'm thinking I can get it from there. I have done the idle transition as outlined in the sticky and the RAF and MAF are within .10 at all ECT's, my transistions need work though.

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    Fast 90 intakes are famous for leaking and of course the MAP sensor mashing issue. Could that be your problem or part of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Melton
    Fast 90 intakes are famous for leaking and of course the MAP sensor mashing issue. Could that be your problem or part of it?
    I thought that might have been part of my original problem, I had uneven LTFT's at idle. It turned out to be rockers rubbing on the retainers. I had done this to my manifold to try and seal it better, if indeed it was leaking. http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=457355&highlight=FAST+manifold+le ak I also have the MAP sensor sealed with RTV (sensor safe Permatex). It actually was a little frayed around the sealing ribs.
    Anything is possible at this point. I'm going to try and tune it out. If I can't do it easily, The manifold is coming off and I'm going to re-seal it, or send it back to FAST and have them do it.

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