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    After studying the available E40 idle calibrations, I conclude that the torque reserve needs to be at least 13* {B1530} below MBT with -11* over speed reduction {B5131}.

    The calculated torque is based on throttle angle vs RPM {B2513}, there isn't an optimal timing calibration like the LS1.

    The extra load from AC auxiliary is compensated by adding airflow to the minimum idle airflow calibration {B1829}, opening the throttle further, there is a delay timer between switching on and AC on to allow rpm to increase accordingly. There is no viewable calibration for power steering load.

    {B1829} can be considered to be the same as a stop screw on a carburettor, the minimum TB angle.

    An idle tune strategy might be if your have changed cam and heads (or improve fuel consumption over stock),

    Determine idle MBT and airflow, log airflow closed loop and trims to correct the airflow, MAP, fuel IPW and or Litres per hour and electronic throttle position, in efilive you can create a custom calc pid to increase the resolution for the TB (8/10ths per 1%), while increasing idle spark * incrementally until minimum airflow/MAP/IPW/TB% / diminishing returns.

    Create a table to display airflow per 0.5* timing advance

    Decide on the optimal idle timing value at least 13* back from MBT, set the minimum idle airflow to the idle timing value +13* in {B1829}. If more torque is required to maintain idle rpm, idle spark increases, the TB angle needs to decrease a little (more torque from less airflow), if minimum idle airflow is too high, TB can not close further so rpm will increase until it finds equilibrium state.

    Test these settings with AC on /off, turn steering wheel to full lock and check for stall.

    If it stalls, greater torque reserve is required, decrease idle timing repeat above.
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    So GM.AIRPERSEC is whichever of the other two (MAF, VE) the PCM is using at that moment...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    So GM.AIRPERSEC is whichever of the other two (MAF, VE) the PCM is using at that moment...?
    Correct


    Update: This is not completely correct, although the attached graph is correct AIRPERSEC follows either DYNAIR of MAF when not in dynamic air mode, when in dynamic air mode its a little confusing, AIRPESEC (and E40.APCYL, not the same as AIRPERSEC) follows which ever is reading higher, but not exactly, however the trims are applicable to DYNAIR.
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    Ooops

    GM.DYNAIR_LS2 of course is the dynamic air flow, in the attached graph over 5 logs of corrections, you can observe that the trims correction to DYNAIR (blue bar) result (blue wavy bar) in the first log was spot on, as all airflow pids arrived at that value in logs 4 and 5. I was correcting to AIRPERSEC.
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    A diagram that might help understand idle air and spark
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