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Thread: GM owns your cars software, don't fiddle!

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    Default GM owns your cars software, don't fiddle!

    Please have a read of this link...
    http://www.dieselarmy.com/news/gm-te...-not-touch-it/

    Chad (the author of the article) has pretty much covered every point why this is dumb, of course the big point missed by the suit and tie guys at GM is would you buy a GM car (or any manufacturer for that matter) that makes it a breach of copyright to tune it? Would sure make the local drag strip look funny when 20 Camaro's line up all running the exact same times.
    I 100% agree with their 'software' being protected, if GM's spark controls contain code that is better than any other manufacturer (including aftermarket ECM's) then they have every right to stop that being copied, I'm just not sure how you copyright table values.

    I decided to make this into a poll, pretty sure I know the outcome already.
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    This is the most insane thing I ever read. I saw it the other day and thought "how stupid", GM just loves to shoot themselves in the foot.

    I call it the "Micro$oft syndrome", it all started when Micro$oft made it a point to address software rights and ownership, not that the concept wasn't around before then, it is just that Micro$oft being such a large and powerful player seemed to etch it into stone for all to follow.

    Ownership is a state of mind it would seem, not a tangible achievement.

    Perhaps EFILive will be forced to write a complete OS that is flashable to the controller and remove GM's OS completely, just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chevy366 View Post
    Perhaps EFILive will be forced to write a complete OS that is flashable to the controller and remove GM's OS completely, just a thought.
    That is pretty much impossible without knowing the intricacies of the hardware (which of course isn't available) and you probably couldn't legally copy the CAN messages to make it work in a GM car, so if it came to that then we will just not buy GM vehicles any more and all take jobs working in a beach side bar in Sint Maarten.
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    Lawyers may be able to find ways around it...

    I thought that copyright/patent was "infringed" only if money was being made by doing so (but I know I'm wrong)...

    ( of course, I'm only an engineer and not a lawyer )

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    Yeah, we should all take hotel management courses and go work in the island resorts

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    As much as I knew I shouldn't tinker with my daily driver, I specifically purchased it because I knew efilive/hpt supported the ecu in the Cruze so that if I wanted to tinker I could.

    I lasted about 3 days with it before I pulled the tune out, but I was logging it before hand. haha.

    So in short, would I buy a car that I knew I couldn't tinker with, then no I wont buy from that brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tre-Cool View Post
    So in short, would I buy a car that I knew I couldn't tinker with, then no I wont buy from that brand.
    I am the same, admittedly we purchase based on new ECM types we might need to work on, there is plenty of non GM cars that are tempting but tuning is either too hard (pull ECM apart) or non existent so they are off the list for me.
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    well with holden dropping out of local v8 options soon, the Hyundai range could be the next best thing? but I think they run mostly bosch type ecu's.

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    I am guessing GM is stating we don't own our "software" is because we didn't "build" it we just bought it. Well if that is the case then I don't see how GM owns it either! Regardless of the "owner" of the software and as technology moves forward things like cars driving them selves and crash prevention features for liability reasons I see the need for manufactures ability to lock down the software.
    Yes I would buy another GM product when this happens.
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