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    Hi All
    Modified car now running higher boost and new bigger injectors (60lb) I have been comparing stock to modified tunes that was done by shop and trying to understand some points, I cant understand why my new IFR table is flat to 400 Kpa then curves where original was a curve from start, have enclosed pic of both any help to understand this would be great.
    I was under impression that if using bigger injectors they should still have curved operating profile?
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    400kPa is the pressure difference across each innector at WOT, while 480 kPa is the pressure difference at maximum vacuum; if you had 1-bar boost then pressure difference is 300 kPa; so if you do not run with boost then IFR axis below 400 kPa is never used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    400kPa is the pressure difference across each innector at WOT, while 480 kPa is the pressure difference at maximum vacuum; if you had 1-bar boost then pressure difference is 300 kPa; so if you do not run with boost then IFR axis below 400 kPa is never used.
    Yep lost me there!! (Confused)
    I'm running 13.5 - 14psi max boost
    What I think you saying is basically up to 400kpa not used in table.
    I spend a lot of time not in boost as cruising on part /small throttle openings max 60 kpa on gauge in EDI unit.(my PE set for 95kpa)
    Was thinking if IFR was curved then I would be using less fuel at lower end of table

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    Below 400kPa is for boost.

    14.7 psi is 1-bar (100 kPa)

    400 kPa is rail pressure, subtract boost from this.

    Question: is your FPR manifold referenced or is it un-referenced...?

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    If IFR does not correctly model your injectors then fueling will be incorrect, and trims will have to correct it in CL, and in OL there is no trimming/correction.

    If FPR is un-referenced then IFR is sloped (with sqaureroot pressure).

    If FPR is manifold referenced then IFR is flat.

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    Yep that's where confused, factory tune was sloped. Car supercharged as standard (basically a four door ZL1 as stock tunes identical for both e67 LSA, T43 A6 6l90e)
    Now more boost and more injector I don't believe should be seeing massive differences apart from air flows and fueling??

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    Does your FPR have a boost/vacuum refence hose...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecar View Post
    Does your FPR have a boost/vacuum refence hose...?

    Dunno believe fpr in tank with pump aka Zl1/Ctsv, stock tunes on these for LSA are identical in repository.
    Tune is referenced gs/sec so I assume pump pressure controlled by ECM dependant on Readings from MAF selecting either 350,415,450kpa fuel pressure.

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    I'm locating a ZL1/CTSV tune to look at more closely... if vehicle is fitted with FPDM module then FPR still regulates rail pressure. If FPR is in tank then it is unreferenced.

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    2012 Cadillac CTS-V Sedan Automatic LSA 6.2 Litre (12653238).ctz
    2013 ZL1 Stock ECM.ctz

    Believe FPDM module no expert though!!
    Couple of stock tunes

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