HPtuners..... yep i said it.

[ZL1Killa]

850 for RR and 150 for a license .....now HPtuners has RTT for 250 i think it is.....
HPtuners 900 bucks maybe 1200
EFI LIVE 700+850+150 =1700bucks


whats going on here..... and HPTuners can tune more cars. I know that EFI LIVE has the diesel and the V8's mainly

but honestly to tune and make money for people that are in the market for getting a shop and tuning all kinds of cars hptuners is kickin ass now....

i'm just getting to thinking about a lot of things here..

[caver]

What are all the abreviations for us backwards africans?

[ZL1Killa]

RTT- real time tuning
RR for those that know about it is the Road Runner real time tuning that efi live has with moates i think is how you spell it

[Tordne]

RoadRunner is 599 now as well. Price was reduced some time ago. And if you want only to do Real-Time tuning you can get away with buying EFILive Scan Tool Only for around $250 or so.

Also, it appears that the HPT RTT is quite nice. BUT:
1) The changes are stored in RAM until they are saved and uploaded to the tune. If the connection is lost/closed those changes go with it
2) The tables which can be tuned are limited. Now, there are probably a key few tables which you would want to change in real-time. But, the RoadRunner can change any table. AND, it is actually written to the actual PCM as you enter the values

Just my $0.02, but it seems on the surface that the HPT thing is a revolution. But, in reality it is still languishing some significant distance behind the current capabilities offered by EFILive and Moates RoadRunner.

[dc_justin]

Also, it appears that the HPT RTT is quite nice. BUT:
1) The changes are stored in RAM until they are saved and uploaded to the tune. If the connection is lost/closed those changes go with it
2) The tables which can be tuned are limited. Now, there are probably a key few tables which you would want to change in real-time. But, the RoadRunner can change any table. AND, it is actually written to the actual PCM as you enter the values

I read about this today and was actually going to make a post about it but backed out for some reason.

Knowing that the factory PCM cannot work in a true real-time tuning environment, I had to check out HPT's help files and see what was going on.

It appears that what they are doing is really just adding a level of depth to the Bi-Di control interface that we currently have with EFILive. Granted, without having a Roadrunner, it seems like it would be very handy with spark tuning on the dyno, but it still isn't on the same level as the RR and being able to modify any and all tables on the fly.

Naturally, I wouldn't be opposed to the EFILive folks coming up with a more enhanced Bi-Di controls configuration once V2 is out and they've had a chance to take a breather.

i mean I love EFI LIVE and when i say LOVE i mean it, lol. been using it for a while now and i'm quite used to it.

but why did efi live not come out with tuning for cars like the chev malibu and other cars like that similar to what hptuners did?

Probably working too diligently on making sure that Flashscan V2 is 100% bug free before release?

[Kris]

With fuel trims on, and bidi controls, I can on-the-fly adjustments for both air/fuel and timing with EFILive, then make the appropriate adjustments in the tune file. On the street, real time tuning is difficult to do if you're by yourself. 99% of the time I simply make a change and log it. So I personally don't have the need for the RTT and it therefore doesn't factor into my decision.

I feel both software packages are very powerful, and both have their own strengths and weaknesses.

I see EFILive offering their package as an initial investment, and then ALL updates and new features are free provided they don't need a hardware upgrade (which v2 will have, and I do not forsee another hardware change needed for a LONG time afterwards)

I see HPTuners as offering their package as an initial investment, and then any additional features (SD, RTT, etc) they make over it will cost you. If you bought 3-bar today, and tomorrow 4-bar came out... it'd cost you a credit or two ($50-100) to upgrade.

I've used LS1Edit, HPTuners, and EFILive. We all know how much of a joke LS1Edit is now, but it was the only game in town. HPTuners and EFILive are very similar, it really comes down to a personal preference on interface.

EFILive simply works the best for me.

[ZL1Killa]

i mean I love EFI LIVE and when i say LOVE i mean it, lol. been using it for a while now and i'm quite used to it.

but why did efi live not come out with tuning for cars like the chev malibu and other cars like that similar to what hptuners did?

[Kris]

but why did efi live not come out with tuning for cars like the chev malibu and other cars like that similar to what hptuners did?

Why did HPTuners not come out with tuning for the duramax?

Each company has their own ideas on which markets they wish to focus on.

I personally don't see a market for half the cars on the HPTuners supported vehicle list, I mean... who seriously is out there tuning on a Chevy Express van or Astro minivan? :lol: The market may be there, but I just don't see it.

I do however see a HUGE market for the duramax, and I don't fault EFILive not even one bit for putting a large bit of focus on them. Them diesel guys LOVE to mod their trucks and make tons of boost, ALL of them... whether they're a 16yr old in high school, or a 75 year old man... they all want bunches of black smoke billowing out the exhaust pipe and be able to make 50+ pounds of boost.

[WS6FirebirdTA00]

Stevo just wants to tune the family car lol, stick to your car before you blow your dads car up haha jk

[Blacky]

Real time tuning...
HPTuner's "real-time-tuning" is yet another half-baked attempt to implement something that falls well short of the TRUE real time tuning offered by RoadRunner. For those who don't know, EFILive implemented something similar to this about 3 years ago in EFILive V5. It enjoyed some success and some tuners were able to use it. However there were a number of fundamental problems with attempting to tune a vehicle that way. There is no way around those problems with a software only solution and so we removed that feature from EFILive. EFILive will publish a real time tuning fact sheet shortly, explaining the difference between the two systems and the inherent problems with a software only approach.

Vehicle support...
EFILive is primarily focused on supporting high performance large displacement engines.

It is EFILive's policy to focus our resources on V8s and some 6 cylinder engines. Because we stay focused on a smaller subset of engines we deliver a more useful and powerful product and much better support than if we covered all vehicles but only provided token support.

If the market wants token support for some of the smaller vehicles, then we may offer it. But as has already been said the market for such a product is small compared to the V8 performance market (gas and diesel).

Regards
Paul