Ford AU Falcon - ODB1?

[odonus]

In AUstralia - the AU flacon is equiped with an obd2 connector - but will not connect with my odb2 scan tool.

I am assumeing its possibly an odb1 EEEV setup utilising the odb2 connector
ie:
Ford Falcon XR8 AU build 6/2000 manual 5 spd

Pins Assignment
1
2 Bus +ve
3
4 Chassis Gnd
5 Signal Gnd
6
7 Iso Signal tx/rx
8
9
10 Bus -ve
11
12
13 eeprom
14
15
16 Battery Volts

One company states there unit uses pin 7 as the ISO pin for dtc's - the pin 13 I was told was for writing to the unit using the ngs star diagnostic unit (Std Ford for eec V tool used in Australia at delaerships)


Has anyone tried connecting an aldl device or scan tool with success to this model variant

Keen to try out the efi live software and want to be able to use it comfortably on my car

any help would be apreciated

cheers
O

[Blacky]

I'm almost certain that Ford never used the same protocols as GM.
I don't think EFILive will successfully connect to a Ford.

Regards
Paul

[odonus]

Thanks Paul
I am certain that with the commands i sent my EECV PCM with a scantool (ELMSCAN5) does not support any of the OBD2 protocol - so I am assuming its a preparation done by Ford to utilise the connector and probably still using obd1 protocol

Looking to get some info to try out and confirm

cheers
O

[1998ws6]

What kind of OBD2 code scanner are you trying to use?

It should be scannable using a Ford based tool.

Ryan

[odonus]

elmscan5
Also have other elm stuff

Only found the NGS tester to give results I want - but its too expensive and hard to borrow - want own to work for home
O

[Batman]

I was looking for a tool for the AU and found this:

http://norcom.net.au/~bpt/Ford%20CAN...iagnostics.htm

http://www.drewtech.com/products/mongoosepwm.html

Anybody tried this tool?

[Blacky]

Those cables will only communicate with OBDII controllers, I don't think you'll be able to scan the older style OBDI Ford or GM controllers with those cables.

OBDII:
Ford originally used SAE-J1850 PWM
GM originally used SAE-J1850 VPW
Ford and GM now both use CAN

OBDI:
Ford used EEC IV (I think)
GM used ALDL

Regards
Paul

[odonus]

Nah - it will not work
Apparenty the NGS tester is used for eec iv and can be used with the eec v
This tells me the coms must be similar

I have been told this from motorscan
"As far as the AU-II is concerned, it is not OBD-II but adheres to the Siemens K Line protocol which was used with all cars that came off the Australian and Thailand assembly lines until the Falcon BA was produced. The Elm5 will communicate with the ECU but would need specific software to read all data"

Does that mean OBD1???
Hence the codes are 4 digits and not 2 or 3

[1998ws6]

What year is the vehicle your trying to work with?

With those pinouts it may be a SCP based vehicle, with feps for programming voltage. (pin 13)

I know the BA's are flashable/dataloggable, not sure about that model.

Ryan