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    Default help ses light

    i keep throwing codes for o2 lean left and right bank.
    im looking for reason on why it might do this i uploaded a log and my tune can you guys take a look at them and tell me if you can see why its trewing the codes?

    the freeze frame for the code:
    Summary
    Supported parameters available 288
    Validated modules available 4
    System readiness test (EPA) Not checked yet
    Specifically monitored tests Not checked yet
    O2 sensors tests Not checked yet
    Diagnostic trouble codes Detected
    History freeze frames Detected
    Stream-Slow scan mode Supported
    Stream-Fast scan mode Supported
    Maximum dynamic packets 16

    PCM


    System Readiness Tests Results


    Specifically Monitored Systems Tests Results


    Oxygen Sensors Tests Results


    Diagnostic Trouble Codes
    P0171 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1" EPA ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"
    P0174 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2" EPA ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"
    P0171 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1" EPA Pending ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"
    P0174 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2" EPA Pending ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"
    P0171 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1" MPHC ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"
    P0174 "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2" MPH ($10) "Powertrain Control Module (PCM)"

    History data
    "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2"
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P
    Fuel System Bank-1 CL
    Fuel System Bank-2 CL
    Calculated Load Value 2.0 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature 86 °C 187 °F
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 0.8 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 25.0 %
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 0.0 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 25.0 %
    Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure 35.0 kPa 10.3 inHg
    Engine RPM 695 RPM
    Vehicle Speed Sensor 38 KMH 24 MPH
    Air Flow Rate From Mass Air Flow Sensor 5.65 Grams/s 0.75 Lbs/Min
    Absolute Throttle Position 0.0 %
    TCC PWM Solenoid Command On
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Sensor Voltage 0.0 V
    Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Voltage 1.6 V
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature At Startup 14 °C 57 °F
    Desired Idle Speed 550.0 RPM
    Desired Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Barometric Pressure 101.5 kPa 30.0 inHg
    Commanded Air Fuel Ratio B N/A :1
    Engine Run Time 117760 Seconds
    Misfire Current Status 120 Counts
    Mileage Since Last Code Cleared 0 Km 0 Miles
    Odometer When Last Code Set Was Cleared 10 Km 6 Miles
    Freeze Frame Counter 2 Counts
    Freeze Frame Pass Counter 1 Counts
    Freeze Frame Not Run Counter 15 Counts
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 1 3.174 ms
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 2 3.174 ms
    ETC Average Pedal Position 0 Counts
    ETC Indicated Throttle Position 0 %
    ETC Desired Throttle Position 1 %
    Accelerator Pedal Position 0 %
    Pressure Switch indicates INVALID No
    Transmission Output Speed 811 RPM
    Current Gear 3
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P

    "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1"
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P
    Fuel System Bank-1 CL
    Fuel System Bank-2 CL
    Calculated Load Value 2.0 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature 86 °C 187 °F
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 0.8 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 25.0 %
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 0.0 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 25.0 %
    Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure 35.0 kPa 10.3 inHg
    Engine RPM 695 RPM
    Vehicle Speed Sensor 38 KMH 24 MPH
    Air Flow Rate From Mass Air Flow Sensor 5.65 Grams/s 0.75 Lbs/Min
    Absolute Throttle Position 0.0 %
    TCC PWM Solenoid Command On
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Sensor Voltage 0.0 V
    Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Voltage 1.6 V
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature At Startup 14 °C 57 °F
    Desired Idle Speed 550.0 RPM
    Desired Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Barometric Pressure 101.5 kPa 30.0 inHg
    Commanded Air Fuel Ratio B N/A :1
    Engine Run Time 117760 Seconds
    Misfire Current Status 120 Counts
    Mileage Since Last Code Cleared 0 Km 0 Miles
    Odometer When Last Code Set Was Cleared 10 Km 6 Miles
    Freeze Frame Counter 2 Counts
    Freeze Frame Pass Counter 1 Counts
    Freeze Frame Not Run Counter 15 Counts
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 1 3.174 ms
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 2 3.174 ms
    ETC Average Pedal Position 0 Counts
    ETC Indicated Throttle Position 0 %
    ETC Desired Throttle Position 1 %
    Accelerator Pedal Position 0 %
    Pressure Switch indicates INVALID No
    Transmission Output Speed 811 RPM
    Current Gear 3
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P

    "Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1"
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P
    Fuel System Bank-1 CL
    Fuel System Bank-2 CL
    Calculated Load Value 1.6 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature 86 °C 187 °F
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 7.0 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 1 25.0 %
    Short Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 4.7 %
    Long Term Fuel Trim - Bank 2 25.0 %
    Intake Manifold Absolute Pressure 35.0 kPa 10.3 inHg
    Engine RPM 696 RPM
    Vehicle Speed Sensor 32 KMH 20 MPH
    Air Flow Rate From Mass Air Flow Sensor 5.18 Grams/s 0.69 Lbs/Min
    Absolute Throttle Position 0.0 %
    TCC PWM Solenoid Command On
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Sensor Voltage 0.0 V
    Fuel Tank Pressure Sensor Voltage 1.6 V
    Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Engine Coolant Temperature At Startup 14 °C 57 °F
    Desired Idle Speed 550.0 RPM
    Desired Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve Position 0.0 %
    Barometric Pressure 101.5 kPa 30.0 inHg
    Commanded Air Fuel Ratio B N/A :1
    Engine Run Time 118080 Seconds
    Misfire Current Status 0 Counts
    Mileage Since Last Code Cleared 0 Km 0 Miles
    Odometer When Last Code Set Was Cleared 10 Km 6 Miles
    Freeze Frame Counter 2 Counts
    Freeze Frame Pass Counter 1 Counts
    Freeze Frame Not Run Counter 15 Counts
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 1 3.143 ms
    Injector Base Pulse Width Bank 2 3.082 ms
    ETC Average Pedal Position 0 Counts
    ETC Indicated Throttle Position 0 %
    ETC Desired Throttle Position 1 %
    Accelerator Pedal Position 0 %
    Pressure Switch indicates INVALID No
    Transmission Output Speed 673 RPM
    Current Gear 3
    Subsystem Category Of DTC P

    and the log and tune are atached

    my car is a 2000 formula with lt header, !egr, !air, 2002 operating system.
    when i upgraded i loaded the default cal. with very minor changes. could the cal. cause this?
    also i just installed a remote start i really do not see how this could cause this?
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    I'm no expert, but here's my thinking...
    Your O2s seem to be cycling OK, so you are getting a good mixture in closed loop, but with this huge trim offset to account for either more air or less fuel than the system is expecting. The latter could be low fuel pressure (less likely as the error is consistent across a range of flowrates). The former could be a leak in your air inlet tract or manifold. Have a good look and listen to check.

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    you were completly right i had a hole on the back side of my pcv hose.

    thank you

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    All's well that ends well.

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    Hi, whats the best way to listen for an air leak?
    by using a peice of garden hose with one end to your ear while moving the other end around the intake system is one way, i was told.
    Last edited by FatVYute; September 11th, 2008 at 02:48 AM.

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    FatVYute, welcome...

    That is one way;

    other ways:
    - mechanics stethoscope with probe removed (i.e. open tube),
    - spray carb cleaner at joint suspected of leaking (if it is sucked in then there's the leak).

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