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    Default Going from 2000 to 2002 OS problem ?

    I'm having problems with the cross over,Ive coped and pasted every thing i can,But i get a flashing check engine light (BUT) there's no code, Whats up with that. And between shifts (M6) i go extremely lean 19.5AFR but only between shifts ,at WOT my AFR is fluctuating from WB 12.2 to 12.9 ,The 2000 tune didn't do this at all it stade at 12.8 WB AFR and its the one i used to migrate over in the 2002 OS. I have the log file of a WOT run and the tuning files (2000) and (2002) OS. that has the 2000 OS in it. can some one look at this and tell me what the problem is. I just cant figure it out. I'm going to haft to put my 2000 tune file back in ,but i shore hate to.
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    The '01 and '02 f-bodies used the "DFCO M6" where as prior years didn't based on the stock tunes I have. So, DFCO turns on when you shift effectively cutting your injectors. That's why you have lean spikes during shifts.

    If I have time later (really busy now), I'll see what I can tell from the logs.

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    O.K. i shore appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyWS6
    O.K. i shore appreciate it.
    I'm sure you do... :lol:

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    gotcha

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyWS6
    I'm having problems with the cross over,Ive coped and pasted every thing i can,But i get a flashing check engine light (BUT) there's no code, Whats up with that....
    So, I took a look. It looks like you copied over everything you changed - not everything you can. There are way more differences than what you have. For example, below is an example of a '99 A4 vs. an '02 A4. That's just to get all of the stock tables from the '99 OS over to the '02 OS. After copying everything over stock for stock, you go and update all of the tables that you modified.

    Also, it appears you have a great deal of timing - especially at part throttle. A blinking SES light is usually an indicator of a missfire. I noticed you have the Missfire detection DTC disabled. But, I'm wondering if it's bugging out because the misfire tables weren't copied over???

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    Comparison summary: 08:05:59 pm, Wednesday Jun 06, 2007
    Calibration comparison between 1999_Chevrolet_Camaro_LS1_4L60E_2002OS.tun and 2002_Chevrolet_Camaro_LS1_4L60E_stock (1).tun.
    *Values that differ by more than 0.000001% are considered different.

    B0101 "Main VE Table" 7.3398 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 18,19 inclusive."
    B4901 "Charge Temperature Blending" -12.4268 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
    B0201 "AIR Pump on Time" 12.2072 "CAL: 240.00 <-> ALT: 190.00"
    B0304 "Baro Offset Factor" 1.0010 "Different from row 0 to row 5 inclusive."
    B0702 "Catalytic Converter Low Protection Temp" -4.1016 "CAL: 1337.00 <-> ALT: 1526.00"
    B0703 "Catalytic Converter Medium Protection Temp" -2.7344 "CAL: 1418.00 <-> ALT: 1544.00"
    B1301 "EGR System Enable" N/A "CAL: Enable <-> ALT: Disable"
    B3201 "Initial Fuel Prime" 0.1495 "Different from row 10 to row 15 inclusive."
    B3319 "DFCO RPM Hysteresis" -0.0168 "CAL: 2.93 <-> ALT: 5.08"
    B3320 "DFCO MAP" 0.5767 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,4 inclusive."
    B3607 "Open Loop Lean Limit (Idle)" -0.3834 "CAL: 14.63 <-> ALT: 15.40"
    B3610 "PE Delay RPM Bypass" -17.9690 "CAL: 3200.00 <-> ALT: 5500.00"
    B3611 "PE Delay Coolant Temp Bypass (Upper)" -89.4725 "CAL: -40.00 <-> ALT: 249.83"
    B3612 "PE Delay Coolant Temp Bypass (Lower)" 47.2108 "CAL: 283.93 <-> ALT: 131.00"
    B3618 "PE Modifier Based on RPM" 0.1427 "Different from row 0 to row 18 inclusive."
    B3616 "Normal PE Mode Enable" -18.0078 "Different from row 8 to row 18 inclusive."
    B3609 "PE Delay Counter Adjustment" -0.2441 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 14,10 inclusive."
    B3605 "Commanded Fuel When in Open Loop (Normal)" -0.6716 "Different from cell: 0,14 to cell: 6,16 inclusive."
    B3701 "Injector Pulse Width Voltage Adjustment" 0.1368 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 27,16 inclusive."
    B4001 "Injector Flow Rate" -0.0610 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
    B4003 "Minimum Injector Pulse Width" 0.0152 "Different from row 20 to row 20 inclusive."
    B4005 "Small Pulse Adjust" -0.0532 "Different from row 0 to row 66 inclusive."
    B4203 "Closed Loop Normal Temp" 2.7784 "CAL: 167.00 <-> ALT: 158.00"
    B4204 "Closed Loop Normal Temp Timer" 0.9766 "CAL: 16.00 <-> ALT: 12.00"
    B3809 "RPM Boundaries for LTFT Cells" -39.8596 "Different from row 0 to row 2 inclusive."
    B3810 "MAP Boundaries for LTFT Cells" 4.7628 "Different from row 0 to row 0 inclusive."
    B4103 "Closed Loop Idle Throttle Position" 3.0078 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 1.99"
    B4105 "O2 Switch point" -8.4597 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 1,8 inclusive."
    B4111 "STFT Base Correction at Non-Idle" 7.4951 "Different from row 1 to row 8 inclusive."
    B4401 "Default IAC Motor Park Position" -37.5000 "CAL: 160.00 <-> ALT: 310.00"
    B4402 "Maximum IAC Steps" -13.7500 "CAL: 310.00 <-> ALT: 365.00"
    B4612 "RPM Set Point Adjust in Gear" -12.1094 "CAL: 1.95 <-> ALT: 8.01"
    B4613 "RPM Set Point Adjust in P/N" -12.1094 "CAL: 1.95 <-> ALT: 8.01"
    B4614 "RPM Set Point Adjust Timer" -0.0916 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 0.38"
    B4301 "Fan #1 IAC Correction" -0.2031 "CAL: 0.10 <-> ALT: 0.15"
    B4302 "Fan #2 IAC Correction" -0.6797 "CAL: 0.20 <-> ALT: 0.37"
    B4403 "IAC Effective area" 7.5000 "Different from row 8 to row 27 inclusive."
    B4603 "Desired Idle Speeds" 1.1719 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 3,8 inclusive."
    B4307 "Desired Airflow" -2.9694 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,15 inclusive."
    B4353 "Idle Spark Control Delay" -0.4273 "Different from row 1 to row 7 inclusive."
    B4304 "Startup Airflow Correction" -1.5625 "Different from row 3 to row 5 inclusive."
    B4607 "Startup Decay Delay in P/N" -4.8829 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 20.00"
    B4609 "Startup RPM Decay in P/N" -0.0397 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 5.08"
    B4343 "Startup Friction Airflow Correction" 3.9063 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
    B4344 "Startup Friction Airflow Decay" -0.0397 "Different from row 3 to row 9 inclusive."
    B4345 "Startup Friction Airflow Delay" 0.0015 "Different from row 3 to row 9 inclusive."
    B4604 "Startup RPM Offset" -1.1719 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 1,9 inclusive."
    B4503 "Filtered RPM Airflow Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
    B4504 "Airflow Learning Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
    B4505 "Airflow Direct Speed Control Delay" 0.1221 "CAL: 1.80 <-> ALT: 1.30"
    B4509 "Airflow Direct Speed Control Threshold" 0.0778 "CAL: 59.96 <-> ALT: 50.00"
    B4511 "Startup Engine Underspeed Time Limit" -0.3662 "CAL: 3.00 <-> ALT: 4.50"
    B4514 "Learned Airflow Correction" 0.0229 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 3,11 inclusive."
    B4521 "Maximum Idle Short Term Correction" -1.5625 "Different from row 4 to row 9 inclusive."
    B4309 "Throttle Cracker Airflow in Gear" -10.0008 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 16,11 inclusive."
    B4311 "Throttle Cracker Activate Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 3.00 <-> ALT: 2.00"
    B4312 "Throttle Cracker Deactivate Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 2.00 <-> ALT: 1.00"
    B4313 "Throttle Cracker Decay Rate" -0.2350 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
    B4317 "Throttle Follower Decay Rate in Gear" 0.0290 "Different from cell: 1,0 to cell: 1,8 inclusive."
    B5801 "Max RPM in All Gears" -100.0000 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 12799.80"
    B5811 "Maximum Light On-Time" -100.0000 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 409.59"
    B5913 "Spark High-Octane Table" 15.1925 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,24 inclusive."
    B5914 "Spark Low-Octane Table" 14.2927 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,24 inclusive."
    B5932 "Base Spark in Gear" 17.5953 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,12 inclusive."
    B5933 "Base Spark in Park/Neutral" 17.5953 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 28,12 inclusive."
    B5910 "Spark ECT Table" -6.6650 "Different from cell: 2,21 to cell: 28,36 inclusive."
    B5956 "Coolant Temp Spark Multiplier" -100.0000 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 8,24 inclusive."
    B5911 "Spark IAT Table" -5.5664 "Different from cell: 4,9 to cell: 28,20 inclusive."
    B5943 "Spark IAT vs RPM Multiplier" 37.0117 "Different from row 3 to row 20 inclusive."
    B5944 "Spark IAT vs ECT Multiplier" -100.0000 "Different from row 22 to row 24 inclusive."
    B5919 "Optimal Timing" 14.4531 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 14,19 inclusive."
    B5901 "Catalytic Converter Light-off" -13.3301 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 6,15 inclusive."
    B5902 "Cat Light-off Temp Multiplier" 25.0000 "Different from row 4 to row 14 inclusive."
    B5903 "Catalytic Converter Light-off Max RPM" 9.3751 "CAL: 3000.00 <-> ALT: 1800.00"
    B5904 "Catalytic Converter Light-off Re-Enable" 6.2501 "CAL: 2500.00 <-> ALT: 1700.00"
    B5915 "Minimum Spark Advance" 22.2168 "Different from row 1 to row 20 inclusive."
    B5917 "Base Spark Vehicle Speed Threshold" 2.3438 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 4.00"
    B3336 "DFCO Spark Timing" -5.5664 "Different from row 4 to row 20 inclusive."
    B5926 "Min Coolant Temp for Spark Smoothing" 5.5568 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 14.00"
    B5927 "Max Coolant Temp for Spark Smoothing" -77.7730 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 283.93"
    B5928 "Min Engine Run Time to Enable Spark Smoothing" -3.6622 "CAL: 0.00 <-> ALT: 15.00"
    B5924 "Spark Smoothing Limit (Closed Throttle)" -11.7245 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,0 inclusive."
    B5925 "Spark Smoothing Limit (Open Throttle)" 6.2485 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 1,9 inclusive."
    B5930 "Speeds for Spark Smoothing" -7.8127 "Different from row 0 to row 1 inclusive."
    B5931 "RPMs for Enable Spark Smoothing" -8.5939 "Different from row 0 to row 1 inclusive."
    B5934 "Idle Flare Control" 4.6864 "Different from row 1 to row 4 inclusive."
    B5935 "Idle Overspeed Error" 6.2485 "Different from row 1 to row 9 inclusive."
    B5936 "Idle Underspeed Error" -3.1242 "Different from row 2 to row 8 inclusive."

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    CONTINUED
    B6208 "Burst Knock Min Coolant Temp" -3.8854 "CAL: 140.00 <-> ALT: 152.59"
    B6213 "Adaptive Spark Min MAP" -4.7628 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 55.00"
    B6223 "Octane Scaler Threshold" -0.9277 "CAL: 0.59 <-> ALT: 1.01"
    B6204 "Knock Retard Limit Not in PE Mode" 1.5450 "Different from row 5 to row 6 inclusive."
    B6212 "Burst Knock Retard" 3.9139 "Different from row 0 to row 0 inclusive."
    B6228 "Knock Sensor Sensitivity" N/A "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 8,13 inclusive."
    B6240 "Knock Sensor Initial Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 245.00 <-> ALT: 255.00"
    B6241 "Knock Sensor Minimum Learned Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 210.00 <-> ALT: 220.00"
    B6242 "Knock Sensor Maximum Learned Threshold" -1.0003 "CAL: 245.00 <-> ALT: 255.00"
    B6251 "Maximum TPS to Enable TPS Knock Mode" 40.0000 "CAL: 100.00 <-> ALT: 60.00"
    B6253 "Delta TPS to Enable TPS Knock Mode" -1.0156 "CAL: 1.99 <-> ALT: 3.01"
    B6254 "TPS Knock Mode Time" 3.0000 "CAL: 0.40 <-> ALT: 0.25"
    B6244 "Knock Sensor Multiplier A (Cylinder Mode)" -2.3438 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 7,20 inclusive."
    B6250 "Knock Sensor Multiplier TPS" -3.1250 "Different from row 0 to row 20 inclusive."
    B1902 "Torque Loss from Spark Retard" 14.0234 "Different from row 1 to row 16 inclusive."
    B6605 "TCS Spark Retard Torque Loss" -3.1242 "Different from row 3 to row 32 inclusive."
    C6001 "Engine DTC Processing Enablers" N/A "Different from row 4 to row 172 inclusive."
    C6002 "Engine DTC MIL Enablers" N/A "Different from row 4 to row 172 inclusive."
    C3208 "Post-catalyst O2 Transition time - first" -6.0000 "CAL: 7.20 <-> ALT: 9.00"
    C2901 "MAF High Frequency Fail 1" 2.5000 "CAL: 14000.0 <-> ALT: 13500.0"
    C2903 "MAF High Frequency Fail Limit" -0.0183 "CAL: 6.00 <-> ALT: 18.00"
    C2904 "MAF Low Frequency Fail 1" -6.4500 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 1300.00"
    C2906 "MAF Low Frequency Fail Limit" -0.0031 "CAL: 4.00 <-> ALT: 6.00"
    C2907 "MAF Test Min Engine Speed" -0.7813 "CAL: 300.00 <-> ALT: 400.00"
    C2908 "MAF Test Min Run Time" 0.0000 "CAL: 0.40 <-> ALT: 2.00"
    C2910 "MAF Test Max TPS" -45.0000 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 95.00"
    C5602 "Misfire Detection Min Temp" -18.3417 "CAL: -40.00 <-> ALT: 19.41"
    C5605 "Misfire Detection Max RPM" -23.4379 "CAL: 3000.00 <-> ALT: 6000.00"
    C5608 "Misfire Detection Min Voltage" -0.3906 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 11.00"
    C5609 "Misfire Detection A/C Delay" -0.0046 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 8.00"
    C5610 "Misfire Detection A.I.R Delay" -0.0137 "CAL: 5.00 <-> ALT: 14.00"
    C5611 "Misfire Detection Transmission Delay" -0.0015 "CAL: 6.00 <-> ALT: 7.00"
    C5620 "Misfire RPM Idle Limit" 0.3906 "CAL: 950.00 <-> ALT: 900.00"
    C5621 "Misfire Idle per Cylinder Mode" -44.2771 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
    C5622 "Misfire Low RPM per Cylinder Mode" -49.7322 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
    C5623 "Misfire Mid RPM per Cylinder Mode" -49.7322 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 9,16 inclusive."
    C5625 "Misfire Low RPM per Revolution Mode" -47.3289 "Different from cell: 2,3 to cell: 2,3 inclusive."
    C5626 "Misfire Mid RPM per Revolution Mode" 49.9565 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 24,16 inclusive."
    C3901 "TPS Test Min Temp" -31.2576 "CAL: 32.00 <-> ALT: 140.00"
    C3902 "TPS Test Min Run Time" -0.1678 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 120.00"
    C3906 "TPS Vs RPM Test Upper" 38.6133 "Different from row 0 to row 15 inclusive."
    C3907 "TPS Vs RPM Test Lower" 14.6875 "Different from row 1 to row 15 inclusive."
    D0902 "Part throttle 2->3 Shift Speeds" -0.3906 "Different from cell: 0,5 to cell: 0,5 inclusive."
    D0903 "Part throttle 3->4 Shift Speeds" 10.5867 "Different from cell: 0,7 to cell: 0,9 inclusive."
    D0907 "Part throttle 3->2 Shift Speeds" -5.4688 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    D0918 "Manual Hold Gear, 1st, 2->3 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
    D0919 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 2->3 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
    D0914 "Manual Hold Gear, 2nd, 1->2 Shift Speeds" 13.6721 "Different from row 0 to row 16 inclusive."
    D0928 "Manual Downshift 2->1 Shift Speed" 0.3906 "CAL: 38.00 <-> ALT: 37.00"
    D0933 "Manual Downshift Gear 3->2 Shift Speeds" 100.0000 "CAL: 256.00 <-> ALT: 0.00"
    D1108 "Desired 1-2 Shift Times" 7.0000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    D1109 "Desired 2-3 Shift Times" 7.5000 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    D1003 "TCC Apply Speeds - Fourth Gear" -0.3906 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 0,2 inclusive."
    D1006 "TCC Release Speeds - Fourth Gear" 0.7813 "Different from cell: 0,5 to cell: 0,13 inclusive."
    D2903 "TCC Solenoid Minimum PWM" -10.9989 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D2904 "TCC Solenoid Maximum PWM" -2.0020 "Different from cell: 0,0 to cell: 4,16 inclusive."
    D0701 "Base Pressure 1->2 Shift" -8.5449 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,32 inclusive."
    D0704 "1->2 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -2.0833 "Different from cell: 1,4 to cell: 3,13 inclusive."
    D0702 "Base Pressure 2->3 Shift" -12.2884 "Different from cell: 0,4 to cell: 0,32 inclusive."
    D0706 "2->3 Temperature Pressure Adjust" -1.5625 "Different from cell: 2,4 to cell: 3,6 inclusive."
    D0703 "Base Pressure 3->4 Shift" -7.1126 "Different from cell: 0,3 to cell: 0,29 inclusive."
    D1101 "Low Pressure Adjust 1-2 Shift" -8.3682 "Different from row 6 to row 6 inclusive."
    D1107 "High Pressure Adjust" 8.3682 "Different from row 6 to row 16 inclusive."
    D3801 "Force Motor Current" 12.5490 "Different from cell: 0,1 to cell: 16,16 inclusive."
    D0801 "Torque Reduction 1->2 Shift" 29.9997 "Different from cell: 0,2 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    D0802 "Torque Reduction 2->3 Shift" -15.0029 "Different from cell: 0,7 to cell: 0,16 inclusive."
    E0102 "Transmission DTC Fault Max Pressure Enablers" N/A "Different from row 28 to row 28 inclusive."
    E0103 "Transmission Failsafe Enablers" N/A "Different from row 37 to row 38 inclusive."
    E0104 "Transmission DTC Fault Pressure Modifiers" N/A "Different from row 44 to row 51 inclusive."
    E0801 "Slipping Trans Test Max TPS" -49.0005 "CAL: 50.00 <-> ALT: 99.00"
    E0802 "Slipping Trans Test Min TPS" -10.0009 "CAL: 10.00 <-> ALT: 20.00"
    E0803 "Slipping Trans Test Max Temp" -5.9471 "CAL: 265.55 <-> ALT: 302.00"
    G0108 "A/C Torque Loss" -0.2350 "Different from row 0 to row 10 inclusive."
    G0109 "A/C Torque Loss - IAT" 1.2589 "Different from row 5 to row 15 inclusive."

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    Damn, that's a lot they changed in just 3 years. :lol:

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    I had to remove 0300 code, multi misfire because of my cam shaft ,this motor is not near stock, its a LS2 418cid. and nothing under the hood is stock ,the cam shaft is a Crane 250/266-650/650-112 and i never had a flashing ses light with my 2000 OS .I guess ill just put my 2000 OS back in till i figure out what I'm doing. here is a pic of my engine if would like to see it, and here is my 2000 OS tune that's in my car right now with no problem with flashing ses light. I pretty new at this ,i need a lot of learning to do. I can build the engines, but steal have a lot of learning on tuning ,There no body around here at home that dose tuning on these cars, so I'm on my own .

    Thanks for the help. but you lost me.
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