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Thread: What makes the 98-00 PCM "so bad"?

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    Default What makes the 98-00 PCM "so bad"?

    I am thinking of swapping the PCM on my 99 K2500 Burb to a 0411, but wonder if the 98-00's are really that bad? Nothing can be much worse than my 99's 98-00 Vortec VCM can it?

    I am not planning on custom OS's, just daily driving a 454 with a 4L80E. I am thinking of using the L21 front cover and crank sensor if I can install it without removing crank to put on wheel...

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    Don't know about the burbs, but in the LS1 F bodies the 99 and up pcm's are the good ones. The 98's have the lower resolution in the ve tables and will not accept custom operating systems. Sorry not much help.
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    Maybe I missed the years, 97-98...

    Just wondering if they are worth using at all. I don't really need custom OS on the burb, just wondering if it is worth using the 98-99 PCM and EFILive (looking to get soon) in my Burb vs using a 99-up PCM....

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    I would go for an 0411 swap if you do it, basically you can get finer control of your engine from what I understand.
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    I think there is info on here about the swap. Changing pinouts on the connectors plus a couple of other little issues. But the guys who have done it say its well worth it.
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    That is what I have heard, 4 hours of work or so. I was just thinking if the 97-98 isn't THAT bad, (I don't need custom OS, it is a truck 454 mostly all stock, not like I am racing it....) and I wouldn't blow away a VIN license for using EFILive on it.

    Honestly, strictly financial in motives... But if there is enough good reason to use the 0411, then I would just go that way, just trying to be financially concious in this day....

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    Im pretty sure you'll blow a VIN license either way, only the 97-98 LS1s are free, all the Vortecs need to be licensed.
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    And....you can't tune the black box 'truck' (Vortec) PCM's with EFILive from what I understand anyway.
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    IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM.


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    They 98-00's are supported now, for about a year or so...

    The 96-97's aren't, but the 98-00's are....

    Quote Originally Posted by hquick
    And....you can't tune the black box 'truck' (Vortec) PCM's with EFILive from what I understand anyway.
    Vortec 98-00 PCM - Stream S-VORB
    V8 SUV's
    99-00 Cadillac Escalade 5.7L
    98-00 GMC Yukon 5.7L
    98-00 Chevy Tahoe 5.7L
    98-99 Chevy/GMC C/K 1500 Suburban 5.7L
    98-99 Chevy/GMC C/K 2500 Suburban 5.7L, 7.4L
    V6 SUV's
    98-00 Oldsmobile Bravada 4.3L
    98-00 GMC Jimmy 4.3L
    98-00 Chevy Blazer 4.3L
    V8 Trucks
    98-99 Chevy/GMC C/K 1500 5.0L, 5.7L
    98-99 Chevy/GMC C/K 2500 5.0L
    98-00 Chevy/GMC C/K 2500, C/K 3500 5.7L, 7.4L
    98-00 Chevy P30 5.7L, 7.4L
    98-00 GMC P35 5.7L, 7.4L
    V6 Trucks
    98-00 Chevy S-10 4.3L
    98-00 GMC Sonoma 4.3L
    98-99 Chevy/GMC C/K 1500 4.3L
    99-00 Chevy Silverado 1500 4.3L
    99-00 GMC Sierra 1500 4.3L
    V8 Vans
    98-00 Chevy Express 5.7L, 7.4L
    98-99 Chevy Express 5.0L
    98-00 GMC Savana 5.7L, 7.4L
    98-99 GMC Savana 5.0L
    V6 Vans
    98-00 Chevy Express 4.3L
    98-00 GMC Savana 4.3L
    98-00 Chevy Astro 4.3L
    98-00 GMC Safari 4.3L
    98-00 Chevy P30 4.3L
    98-00 GMC P35 4.3L

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    But only with V2 right?
    Howard

    YOU ONLY NEED TWO TOOLS IN LIFE - WD-40 AND DUCT TAPE. IF IT DOESN'T
    MOVE AND SHOULD, USE THE WD-40. IF IT SHOULDN'T MOVE AND DOES, USE THE
    DUCT TAPE.
    IF YOU CAN'T FIX IT WITH A HAMMER, YOU'VE GOT AN ELECTRICAL PROBLEM.


    98 K1500 'HOLDEN' Suburban.
    Custom Whipple SC, Mercruiser Marine intake, 0411 PCM, 4L80E w/shift kit

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