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    #06-06-01-007A: Information on Identifying Duramax Diesel LB7, LLY, LMM, LBZ Overpower Engine Breakdown or Non-Function Due to Aftermarket Power-Up Devices vs. Non Overpower Engine Non-Function of Pistons, Cylinders - (Sep 28, 2007)

    Subject:Information On Identifying Duramax™ Diesel LB7, LLY, LMM, LBZ Overpower Engine Breakdown or Non-Function Due to Aftermarket Power-Up Devices vs. Non Overpower Engine Non-Function of Pistons, Cylinders, and Valvetrain Components


    Models:2001-2008 Chevrolet Silverado
    2003-2008 Chevrolet Kodiak
    2006-2008 Chevrolet Express
    2001-2008 GMC Sierra
    2003-2008 GMC TopKick
    2006-2008 GMC Savana
    with Duramax™ 6.6L V8 Turbo Diesel Engine (VINs 1, 2, 6, D -- RPOs LB7, LLY, LMM, LBZ)



    This bulletin is being revised to add model years and to advise dealerships of additional service information on internal engine concerns using power-up devices. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 06-06-01-007 (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).
    General Motors Position On Aftermarket Power-Up Devices


    Important: General Motors does not support or endorse the use of devices or modifications that, when installed, increase the engine horsepower and torque. Refer to bulletin number 04-06-04-054 -- Warranty Admin. - Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).

    Important: For further information on aftermarket power-up kits, refer to February 2006 Emerging Issues Course Number 10206.02D. In Canada, information on aftermarket power-up kits will be covered in the April 2006 TAC TALK program.

    Aftermarket power-up devices are non-approved by General Motors. These devices are usually piggy-backed in the main engine harness or remain connected to the diagnostic connector to upload the calibration to the ECM. Recent warranty reviews of returned engines show engine breakdown or non-function due to power-up devices that are utilized for increased horsepower and torque. The following information will assist technicians in identifying overpower engine breakdown or non-function due to aftermarket power-up devices vs. non overpower engine breakdown or non-function.

    Non-GM parts can alter the design of the vehicle. GM dealers need to be aware of the quality of parts being installed on vehicles. If failure occurs as a result of installation of sub-par parts, warranty coverage may be denied. Refer to Service Bulletin Number 04-06-04-054 Warranty Admin. -- Non-GM Parts and Accessories (Aftermarket).

    Installed Power-Up Kit

    Aftermarket power-up kits have become a very popular add on for performance-minded customers. These devices can add horsepower and torque and can add additional stress to the engine. These aftermarket calibrations take the Duramax™ powertrain outside of its design torque and horsepower rating. They do this by altering air/fuel ratios and injector timing, resulting in excessive cylinder pressure and temperature. When these calibrated parameters are altered, it will upset the design balance and can lead to a reduction of engine life expectancy. Generally, in inspection of Duramax™ engine failure due to power-up failures, two or more cylinders will be affected.

    Installed Power-Up Kit


    • Once installed, the calibration may mask itself with the factory original calibration ID and may remain the same.
    • A Tech 2® will not positively enable you to identify the use of a power up device.
    • Some companies that offer power-up devices claim increases of 150 or more horsepower and 300 or more lb/ft pounds of torque.
    • A vehicle that is used to the power-up device potential 100% of the time will see earlier engine wear and breakdown.
    • A vehicle that takes advantage of additional power, but on a less frequent basis, may not see premature engine wear and breakdown until later in the engine's life.
    • A vehicle not pushed to its limits of the power-up device often may not encounter premature wear and breakdown until after the engine is out of warranty.

    Duramax™ Powertrain Horsepower / Torque Ratings

    The following horsepower and torque increase over the past years required new internal components to accommodate the increase.

    • LB7 - 300 hp with 520 ft/lb of torque for model years 2000-2004
    • LLY -- 310 hp with 605 ft/lb of torque for model years 2004-2008
    • LBZ -- 360 hp with 650 ft/lb of torque for model year 2006-2008
    • LMM -- 365 hp with 660 ft/lb of torque for model year 2007-2008

    LBZ Improvements

    To reliably achieve an increase in 50 horsepower with 45 ft/lb torque, the Duramax ™ diesel had to be revised in many areas. A few of the revisions on the 2006 LBZ were:

    • New pistons with a revised compression ratio.
    • Wrist pins that are larger in diameter.
    • Connecting rods with added material to increase the I section strength.
    • Engine block and machining changes.
    • Cylinder heads.

    Duramax™ Life Expectancy

    The Duramax™ 6.6L V8 Turbo Diesel Engine is sold with a warranty of 100,000 miles/160,000 kilometers. The Duramax™ has been tested to survive upwards of 200,000 miles/320,000 kilometers. The Duramax™ powertrain is designed for reliability, peak horsepower and torque within its design limits. When a customer installs a power-up device, it drastically reduces the mileage ratings.


    Important: Cylinder Wall Spotting (commonly referred to leopard spots) is from the induction hardening process of the top 1/3 of the cylinder wall. This is normal for the Duramax ™ Diesel.

    Identifying Overpower Engine Premature Wear and Breakdown

    When premature wear and breakdown is encountered due to an aftermarket power-up device, it has some very specific characteristics to the internal engine components. The following list will assist in identifying these characteristics as you tear down the engine.

    • Pistons will be cracked in the lip area, or a hole in the pistons.

    • Pistons can also be melted on the lip of the combustion bowl, or the top of the pistons can be melted.

    • Crosshatch will be polished off the cylinder wall in the major thrust face of cylinder below ring belt travel.

    • Piston pin bore will show signs of scoring, the wrist pins will be discolored, and can have oil coking on them. The connecting rod bushing surface will have accelerated wear. The above illustration shows a connecting rod bushing.

    • Oil coking on the underside of the piston between the wrist pin bosses.

    • Signs of bearing fretting will also be noticed on the connecting rod and main bearing caps. Refer to the above illustration for fretting of main bearing cap 1 and back side of connection rod bearing 2.

    • Excessive heat in engine compartment caused by overpower device. Refer to above illustration (1).

    Non Overpower Engine Premature Wear and Breakdown

    The following pictures show results of overheat, overspeed, low/no oil pressure or injector breakdown and how they differ from aftermarket power-up device premature wear and breakdown.

    Engine Overheat

    Overheat can be caused by a loss of coolant or a general cooling system failure. Some of the indicators of overheat are:

    • Melted pistons.
    • Head gasket breakdown or non-function.
    • Warped cylinder heads.
    • Crankshaft and connecting rod discolored.

    Engine Overspeed Causes

    If an engine has been run faster that design capability (redline), and has caused damaged as a result, it may be a result of one of the following conditions:

    • Leaking or failed turbo oil seals.
    • Oil evident in the intake runners and compressor side of the turbo.
    • Starting fluid use or alterative fuel added to the engine such as ether.

    Engine Overspeed Results

    The following are indicators that an overspeed event took place:

    • Valve train damage.
    • Pushrods that are bent (4).
    • Broken valve bridge buttons after cylinder head removal (2).
    • Rocker arm tip damage (1).
    • Dry or rusted cylinders from the use of ether, propane or nitrous oxide.
    • Piston to valve contact.
    • Cam gear pin shear.

    Lack of Oil Pressure

    Lack of lubrication causes rapid bearing wear or bearing to seize.

    Bearing failure. Spun main bearings.

    Engine Premature Wear and Breakdown Due to Improper Function of Fuel Injector

    A fuel injector may fracture a piston or melt a piston but the damage will be limited to that cylinder only and all other pistons and cylinder walls are OK. In some cases hydraulic lock will occur on the suspected cylinder with an over-fueling fuel injector. Hydraulic lock on the suspected cylinder will cause a bent connecting rod. This can be verified with piston protrusion measurements.


    Important: Copy aftermarket power-up kit check list when performing an engine disassembly investigation of overpower engine breakdown or non-function.

    Aftermarket Power-Up Kit Check List

    Piston cracked parallel to wrist pin.
    • Piston cracked in lip area.

    • Hole in piston connecting top of piston to oil cooling channel.
    Melted Pistons.
    • Lip of combustion bowl melted.

    • Top of piston melted / missing.
    Cross hatching polished off cylinder wall. Cylinder wall missing crosshatch on major thrust face of cylinder below ring belt travel.
    Piston pin bore, Wrist pin, and Rod bushing.
    • Scoring in upper piston pin boss/black discoloration/oil coking.

    • Wrist Pin Wear.
    • Rod bushing surface worn and discolored.
    Carbon coking to underside of piston.
    • Discoloration of underside of Piston.
    • Discoloration and carbon coking buildup on underside of piston between piston pin bosses.
    Accelerated rod / Main Bearing wear.
    • Fretting on backside of bearing.
    • Bearing surface distressed.

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    How to handle an engine failure suspected due to a power up Device.

    Dealers should not automatically decline warranty assistance on engine failures due to the fact that a power-up device or modification is evident or suspected. The technician must identify that the failure is due to a power-up device by teardown analysis and diagnosis of the engine components. The following steps should be taken if an engine failure occurs and it is suspected that the modification or addition of a power-up device maybe the cause of the engine failure. If unclear of this process or direction feel free to contact your District Service Manager (DVM) (in Canada, DSM) for further support.
    The technician should use proper engine diagnostics to lead him/her to the failed engine components. The attached check sheet should be followed and if it is determined that at least three of the check sheet items match the engine component failures then it can be decided that the failure is not a warrantable claim.
    Engine failures that meet at least three criteria of the check sheet are considered failures that are not manufacturers defects in workmanship or materials
    The dealership should contact the PQC, open a case to review the findings and make the final decision on warranty coverage. The DVM (in Canada, DSM) should be notified of the PQC decision.

    a. The check sheet completed with the technicians detailed written findings of his diagnosis on the repair order.

    b. Photographs of the failed parts should be maintained in the RO file.
    The customer should be advised that the failure of their engine was not due to a manufacturer's defect in workmanship or materials and therefore the warranty claim is denied on this failure.

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    Document ID# 2005633

    Subject: Warranty Admin. - Use of Parts and Components (Including Control Module Calibrations) Not Issued Through General Motors #07-00-89-043 - (08/23/2007)

    Models: 2008 and Prior GM Passenger Cars and Light/Medium Duty Trucks

    General Motors tests and validates the genuine GM parts originally installed on it's vehicles, including the control module calibrations GM issues for use in it's vehicles.
    Among the many factors GM considers when validating parts and calibrations for it's vehicles are reliability, durability, safety, emissions, fuel economy, and the effect on other components in the vehicle.

    Warranty Coverage
    General Motors does not warranty non-GM parts and/or calibrations.
    The use of Parts and/or Control Module Calibrations not issued through General Motors will void the warranty coverage for those components that are damaged or otherwise affected by the installation of the non-GM part and/or control module calibration.
    The only exception is that non-GM parts labeled "Certified to EPA Standards" are covered by the Federal Emissions Performance Warranty.

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    I'm watchin' them too. I choose to play. It's nice to know they care tho'. We should all pitch in on a fruit basket for them.
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    5" T'Back MBRP
    EFI friggin awesome Live
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    umm...still not worried

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    Exclamation

    Just wait 'till some bored Senator tweaks the ear of the EPA on all of this. Unless you are on tour farm and need a few more HP, or are pulling loads in some small town tractor pull, consider this - if you want power, get a gasoline engine in a CAR - if you want torque, get a turbo and keep minimum ambient pressure at all times in that Diesel. Otherwise you are going to break parts, laws and your free time's schedule. (IMHO)
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    emarkay, you need to read up on CURRENT diesel technology, we aren't talking about 80's 350 Old Diesels here.
    I no longer monitor the forum, please either post your question or create a support ticket.

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    Default Really?!!!

    Emarkay,

    Have you driven an EFI Live well tuned diesel lately...I'm guessing not. They lack neither hp nor torque... many have dyno #'s & time slips to prove.

    Crusty.

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    MRK, they're talking about 1/4 mile times in the low 11's with a 7000+ lb vehicle.

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    Cool

    I can stick a JATO box on a Honda Civic and beat that time..... BFD.

    What'll that hulk do on the skidpad??

    (Now boys, this is a real world test - accident avoidance ya see?
    It could be my life if one of those beasts rolls on top of me because it can't avoid a simple deer at 65MPH!!!)

    Nuff said!
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